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[Krakn3Dfx]

Everybody's covered.

 

[KSweeley]

What a coincidence, Republicans release their shitty healthcare proposal, then WikiLeaks comes out today and claims they have "nearly 9,000" files from the CIA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c50c5c-0345-11e7-b1e9-a05d3c21f7cf_story.html

What's WikiLeaks agenda with this????

March 7 at 12:51 PM

The anti-secrecy organization WikiLeaks said Tuesday that it has obtained a vast portion of the CIA’s computer hacking arsenal, and began posting the files online in a breach that may expose some of the U.S. intelligence community’s most closely guarded cyber weapons.

WikiLeaks touted its trove as exceeding in scale and significance the massive collection of National Security Agency documents exposed by former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.

A statement from WikiLeaks indicated that it planned to post nearly 9,000 files describing code developed in secret by the CIA to steal data from targets overseas and turn ordinary devices including cellphones, computers and even television sets into surveillance tools.

 

[Eidan]

Everybody's covered.

I said damn.

 

[jiiikoo]

"LOOK AT THE SIZE, THIS IS PREVIOUS, THIS IS US!!!!!!! THIS IS WHAT BIG GOVERNMENT DOES!!!! BAD! SAD! SO BAD SO SAD!"

Why is Spicer so angry all the time? He's basically fuming on the podium and the reporter just asked a simple question.

 

[Dead Prince]

spicer is about to throw the podium at acosta

 

[Rebel Leader]

Analysis: GOP plan to cost Obamacare enrollees $1,542 more a year

 

[Bishman]

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/819972320265728000

 

[Black Mamba]

Am I crazy or is there a huge savings for the middle class and young professionals?

If this passed, it'd be a pain to remove those credits for people that didn't get anything under the ACA. Republicans could accuse Democrats of a tax hike on the middle class if they tried to revert back to the status quo anyway.

These solely the size of the tax credit. What that doesn't take into account is the rising premiums, higher deductibles, higher co-pays, etc that will occur.

I'd rather get a tax rebate of $500 per year on my $400 per month plan than $2000 on my $600 per month plan (and that's being generous in the premium raises...).


Also, Tom Price clearly doesn't understand medicaid. He's making it sound like people on medicaid hate it...yet they like it more than employer insurance...

 

[Prototype Viktor]

lol that surcharge sounds like it will compound forever b/c constantly increasing the price guarantee's missed coverage and more surcharging

 

[fredrancour]

These solely the size of the tax credit. What that doesn't take into account is the rising premiums, higher deductibles, higher co-pays, etc that will occur.

I'd rather get a tax rebate of $500 per year on my $400 per month plan than $2000 on my $600 per month plan (and that's being generous in the premium raises...).


Also, Tom Price clearly doesn't understand medicaid. He's making it sound like people on medicaid hate it...yet they like it more than employer insurance...

how many cumulative seconds do you guys think tom price has spent trying to empathize with medicaid recipients? I wonder if the total reaches thirty.

 

[Black Mamba]

We reported above the results for individuals. For families, the Republican bill would increase costs by $2,243 if the bill were in effect today. For families with a head of household age 55 to 64, the bill would increase costs by $7,604. For families with income below 250 percent of poverty, the bill would increase costs by $6,228.

These cost increases would explode by 2020. We estimate that the Republican bill would increase costs for families by $4,274. For families with a head of household age 55 to 64, the bill would increase costs by $10,591. For families with income below 250% percent of poverty, the bill would increase costs by $9,024.

Partly done by the chief actuary for Covered California.

In other words, it's legit.

I'm sure a $10k increase in costs for families is easily manageable. And that's the average!

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Analysis: GOP plan to cost Obamacare enrollees $1,542 more a year

Christ on a pogo stick.

 

[Ogodei]

lol that surcharge sounds like it will compound forever b/c constantly increasing the price guarantee's missed coverage and more surcharging

I don't think it stacks. It sounds like there's a 1-year limit on the surcharge too?

Definitely a perverse incentive. If you go without insurance for 3/10ths of a year and then buy a year's worth of coverage, you're exactly the same financially (assuming you budgeted the money you saved in those 4 months).

It creates the same problem as the mandate in terms of people waiting until they get sick and just eating the penalty.

 

[Black Mamba]

Christ on a pogo stick.

Yes but, think what it will do for the poorest among us, the top 400 families in america!

The top 400 highest-income taxpayers — whose annual incomes average more than $300 million apiece — each would receive an average annual tax cut of about $7 million, we estimate from Internal Revenue Service (IRS) data.

This group’s tax cut would total about $2.8 billion a year.

The roughly 160 million households with incomes below $200,000 would get nothing from the repeal of these two taxes.

The $2.8 billion a year total tax cut for the top 400, as noted above, is roughly the value of premium tax credits that 813,000 people in the 20 smallest states and Washington, D.C. would lose combined if the ACA is repealed without a replacement.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/federa...are-tax-cuts-on-400-highest-income-households

Trump looking out for the white working class!

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Anyone know how the tax credit would work for people with insurance through employer?

 

[Black Mamba]

Anyone know how the tax credit would work for people with insurance through employer?

It wouldn't. You already have your insurance tax deducted.

The tax credits are for the individual markets only.

 

[sflufan]

Four Senate Republicans demand that the ACA Medicaid expansion be retained:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-medicaid-repeal-republicans-235736

This thing might as well be stillborn at this point.

 

[Bluenoser]

Yes but, think what it will do for the poorest among us, the top 400 families in america!

http://www.cbpp.org/research/federa...are-tax-cuts-on-400-highest-income-households

Trump looking out for the white working class!

It's self-serving shit like this right here that is the reason the USA is the worst 1st world country on the planet when it comes to healthcare. The people at the top only care about stuffing their pockets. What a corrupt government you have.

 

[joe2187]

This thing might as well be stillborn at this point.

IT MUST STILL BE CARRIED TO TERM!!

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

It wouldn't. You already have your insurance tax deducted.

The tax credits are for the individual markets only.

Yup, this bill does jackshit for costs of this highly inflated industry.

 

[Darryl M R]

Four Senate Republicans demand that the ACA Medicaid expansion be retained:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-medicaid-repeal-republicans-235736

This thing might as well be stillborn at this point.

The host must not abort.

 

[To Far Away Times]

Analysis: GOP plan to cost Obamacare enrollees $1,542 more a year

Yet another Reverse Robinhood bill by the GOP. They even worked in a clause that removes the cap on how much CEOs can deduct in taxes.

 

[UnObtainium17]

Yes but, think what it will do for the poorest among us, the top 400 families in america!

http://www.cbpp.org/research/federa...are-tax-cuts-on-400-highest-income-households

Trump looking out for the white working class!

So we now got a trickle down healthcare too. Trump gonna love all these trickling

 

[Violater]

They are united on repeal and divided on replacement.
What happens to people in the mean time?

 

[Black Mamba]

So we now got a trickle down healthcare too. Trump gonna love all these trickling

If there's one thing Trump loves most (besides underage women), it's trickling!

They are united on repeal and divided on replacement.
What happens to people in the mean time?

Best case scenario? Nothing happens because they can't pass shit. Obamacare lives on and in the future, Dems get enough power to fix the parts that need fixing.

 

[gazele]

They are united on repeal and divided on replacement.
What happens to people in the mean time?

Screwed?

Seems like they'll end up just repealing obamacare with no replacement and just say 'F it'

 

[ChrisD]

Four Senate Republicans demand that the ACA Medicaid expansion be retained:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-medicaid-repeal-republicans-235736

This thing might as well be stillborn at this point.

Sore loser Dems won't let the AMERICAN Health Care law pass! Even got some Repubs brainwashed. SAD!

Is probably all Trump can muster into words from his little brain.

 

[Black Mamba]

Screwed?

Seems like they'll end up just repealing obamacare with no replacement and just say 'F it'

They can't actually straight repeal it.

They can mostly repeal it, however. But good luck with winning an election by literally kicking 25 million people off insurance.

 

[LegendofJoe]

So we now got a trickle down healthcare too. Trump gonna love all these trickling

We've had trickle down healthcare for a long time. It's the primary reason why the majority of people haven't seen their incomes rise in 40 years. It literally and figuratively sucks the life out of our economy.

 

[Foffy]

Did I hear "free market healthcare" in that speech?

Holy shit, how fucking dumb are these people. The free market system is the monied cartel system that exploits people. We need less of this, not more.

 

[……forgetit]

So this is terrible for anyone who isn't super rich?

 

[Black Mamba]

This is basically Molina insurance screaming "THIS IS STUPID!"

 

[Foffy]

So this is terrible for anyone who isn't super rich?

Assume anything the Republicans ever propose is terrible for anyone not rich.

 

[Castef]

To be clear - past this year they don't actually say how they are going to fund this do they?

I guess they are getting information from their consultant, mr. Farage.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

So this is terrible for anyone who isn't super rich?

Actually, the return that the rich would get is basically worthless and they won't even notice it as they are freaking rich.

Did I hear "free market healthcare" in that speech?

Holy shit, how fucking dumb are these people. The free market system is the monied cartel system that exploits people. We need less of this, not more.

A real free market would have everything advertised by hospitals, where I assume most of where our healthcare costs as a country come from. You don't know what things are going to costs until you get billed, really, and by then it is too late. They got away with it when the middle class was still around, but now that wages haven't done shit for 10 years, the companies have to keep charging more to make their quarter profits.

 

[LilZippa]

Did I hear "free market healthcare" in that speech?

Holy shit, how fucking dumb are these people. The free market system is the monied cartel system that exploits people. We need less of this, not more.

No it is just being handicapped by the excessive regulation. If we get rid of licencing physicians then we could have more doctors tomorrow and more competition.

 

[Ac30]

Partly done by the chief actuary for Covered California.

In other words, it's legit.

I'm sure a $10k increase in costs for families is easily manageable. And that's the average!

Maybe it's time for PacifiCare. Them killing the ACA may just be what the blue states need to set up their own Medicaid for all schemes. NY, MA, CA, WA and OR should have enough taxpayers to keep the scheme sustainable.

 

[Boke1879]

Sorry for this image yall, but Ryan must have literally pleasuring himself as he and some aides were drafting up this bill. He clearly didn't get any input from anyone in the House or Senate for that matter. And he announced this shit like he knew it was bullet proof.

 

[tedtropy]

The fact that they refuse to even call ACA by its actual name lets you know where their true priorities are.

 

[Fragamemnon]

Those premium hikes for 55-64 kill this bill dead.

BTW can insurers bring back lifetime limits under the new plan? That's a giant middle-class concern: that someone will literally require millions in care and the insurer will go "U R FCKD" after like 200k or so. It is the second most thing I hear from people about being positive with the ACA (first is removal of preexisting condition clauses).

 

[Iolo]

They can't actually straight repeal it.

They can mostly repeal it, however. But good luck with winning an election by literally kicking 25 million people off insurance.

There's another option where they don't repeal, but dither for too long doing nothing and insurance companies exit the 2018 marketplaces out of uncertainty ... resulting in a death spiral.

 

[KarneeKarnay]

What are the chances this makes it past congress?

 

[Matsukaze]

What are the chances this makes it past congress?

Not very likely, considering even some Republicans are saying it sucks.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Everybody's covered.

Wow.

 

[Plinko]

My favorite/least favorite part of this thing is the idiotic GOP talking point that less pages in a bill means it is magically better.

Uh, no thanks. I'd rather have this well-thought out and detailed for any situation.

 

[Syncytia]

My favorite/least favorite part of this thing is the idiotic GOP talking point that less pages in a bill means it is magically better.

Uh, no thanks. I'd rather have this well-thought out and detailed for any situation.

I laughed at this too. Look it's only 100 pages, and like half of it is repealing Obamacare!11!!

 

[LiK]

Everybody's covered.

Gaddamn

 

[Vixdean]

Yes but, think what it will do for the poorest among us, the top 400 families in america!

http://www.cbpp.org/research/federa...are-tax-cuts-on-400-highest-income-households

Trump looking out for the white working class!

You're missing the point, this is a feature! The CBO will ultimately score this thing terribly, saying it not only will result in less people insured but also cost more because their tax cuts don't cover the costs. This is when they can point to these "pro-growth" policies that will create jobs and raise wages, and say the CBO doesn't include that in their scoring. It's freedom baby!

 

[Jeels]

You're missing the point, this is a feature! The CBO will ultimately score this thing terribly, saying it not only will result in less people insured but also cost more because their tax cuts don't cover the costs. This is when they can point to these "pro-growth" policies that will create jobs and raise wages, and say the CBO doesn't include that in their scoring. It's freedom baby!

Alternative budgeting.

 

[Black Mamba]

Another reason for the expected rise in the uninsured is that many people might not be able to afford to take advantage of the subsidies under TrumpCare. Here's why, using the stark example of a 64-year-old couple earning 150% of the poverty level, or about $25,500 in 2020:

For this older couple, a silver-level ObamaCare plan would cost roughly $1,150, with maximum out-of-pocket costs likely limited to about $2,000 to $3,000, an IBD analysis finds. Under TrumpCare, the same plan would likely cost the couple between $15,000 and $20,000 in premiums, after subsidies.

Make America Poor Again!