John Petrucci
Member
This is accurate.
EA/OA Mass Effect Andromeda includes Day1 Patch, no launch day animation improvements
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This is accurate.
prag16
Banned
Huge mess usually means something on the order of massive gamebreaking bugs. That's not what we have here. Though that seems to be where the narrative is headed.
The game probably won't review as well as I previously expected, but somebody innocently stumbling onto this forum would probably thing think this is must be a 4/10 game at best on their basis of the parade of circle jerk topics.
JamesHolden
Banned
My evidence is the many people, like me, who have played the demo, who are positive about what they played, and who plan to purchase the game because of this demo. While there are things like the stair climbing animation bug and spatial audio bug that need to be fixed, these issues won't stop many from enjoying this game on release.
JamesHolden
Banned
Everyone with a face online is not saying this. You are not correct. I similarly don't trust you, because I don't know you either.
There's an option in gameplay to either never wear helmets, wear helmets outside of convos, or always wear helmets when equipped. I have NO idea why the option to take them off in convos is there considering the hazards of planets but w/e i guess. I made sure to toggle helmets always on.
JamesHolden
Banned
prag16
Banned
That's nice. We don't trust your opinion either. And that's not true. But you probably know that.
Posting this again: https://www.forbes.com/sites/insert...effect-andromeda-to-have-piecemeal-embargoes/
fluffydelusions
Member
This is some false equivalency.
mcdomination
Member
JamesHolden
Banned
Everyone online does not agree with you. What you said was false. How can we trust anything else you have to say on this matter?
Mechanized
Member
At least fix the backwards gun if nothing else. I can live with shit robots acting vaguely human as their emotion matrix catches on fire every other scene, but backwards gun shot? REALLY?
MY FACE IS FUCKING TIRED
MY FACE IS FUCKING TIRED
unknownstranger
Member
Fiscal year. EA wasn't going to wait any longer.
prag16
Banned
I disagree. And we already established that your opinion is not to be trusted. And frankly you sound like you have an axe to grind. You're expending a TON of energy to shit on a piece of entertainment.
Just because a company has a history of bad animations does not mean people should expect the facial and skeletal animation in their newest game to be worse than their previous titles. This is incredibly dismissive of the actual issues people are having with the animations in this game. Take a look at ME1, 2 and 3 animations or even Dragon Age Inquisition animations and then take a look at the animations in this game. Its night and day. Previous entries in the series didnt regularly break your immersion with horrendous unnatural looking animations like this does. In fact they didnt even animate as many things as Andromeda but what they did animate looked far more natural.
Furthermore you are completely ignoring the issues people have with the dialogue and the writing. And no before you dismiss this as "its just Bioware" it most definitely is not. All the previous Dragon Age games (yes even 2 despite its many other flaws) and Mass Effect games had very stron characters and generally good to excellent dialogue. What has been shown of Andromeda is a ver very far cry from the writing in previous games from Bioware.
Besides this is all pointless because the studio making this game is literally a brand new studio with the name Bioware attached. These are not the same people who made any of the previous titles so dismissing issues with this game as "oh its just Bioware" when this studio is literally not that Bioware is absurd.
I am a huge fan of Bioware. Jade Empire, KOTOR, Dragon Age 1, Baldur's Gate and Mass Effect are among my favorite games of all time. Hell SWTOR (esp the agent and bounty hunter storylines) is one of my favorite current games. But this game? This is a game I will be skipping without hesitation because form what I have seen it is not even worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as those previous titles which again makes sense since its literally made by a brand new studio and not Bioware.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Huge mess is a subjective statement.
In terms of game breaking bugs, outside of a few load failures, I've not really seen a whole lot, no. It's definitely playable.
But as for the facial (and other) animations, and how they relate to the conversations therein....
Compared to the original trilogy, or other recent AAA action RPGs in terms of conversation camera angles, character face models, eye movement, etc.... it's definitely a lot rougher than other recent examples, in a lot of cases.
But whether or not that affects your enjoyment/dislike of the game is also subjective.
This is one author's subjective opinion.
Mine differs from hers insofar as the goofy face animations and dead eye stares did impact my enjoyment of the game significantly.
To be honest, if you don't have any problems with the game, more power to you. But to say that among the admitted exaggeration that there isn't some cause for concern feels somewhat disingenuous.
In terms of game breaking bugs, outside of a few load failures, I've not really seen a whole lot, no. It's definitely playable.
But as for the facial (and other) animations, and how they relate to the conversations therein....
Compared to the original trilogy, or other recent AAA action RPGs in terms of conversation camera angles, character face models, eye movement, etc.... it's definitely a lot rougher than other recent examples, in a lot of cases.
But whether or not that affects your enjoyment/dislike of the game is also subjective.
This is one author's subjective opinion.
Mine differs from hers insofar as the goofy face animations and dead eye stares did impact my enjoyment of the game significantly.
To be honest, if you don't have any problems with the game, more power to you. But to say that among the admitted exaggeration that there isn't some cause for concern feels somewhat disingenuous.
It's definitely not exclusively an issue on their end, but I was hoping whatever the issue is might've been fixed with an update. My PC isn't even using 100% GPU/CPU, and like I said I don't have any problems with other games right now (tried Witcher 3 last night for an hour and it didn't have any problems).
I have no clue what it could be or how to fix it.
It matters a fucking lot. Skyrim and Zelda are not cinematic RPGs with a heavy focus on character interaction and dialogue. It absolutely matters.
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
Oh no GB just released a 2 hour playthrough where a bunch of problems were shown.
Biased.
A 10 hour demo released where some fans are not enjoying it.
Untrustworthy.
And I swear off GAF everyone likes it!*
*Not even remotely true. Opinions are ranging elsewhere too.
Sigh. Neither opinion invalidates the other. Y'all know there's a demo of 10 hours you can try out for 5 or so bucks? If you like it, you like it.
Biased.
A 10 hour demo released where some fans are not enjoying it.
Untrustworthy.
And I swear off GAF everyone likes it!*
*Not even remotely true. Opinions are ranging elsewhere too.
Sigh. Neither opinion invalidates the other. Y'all know there's a demo of 10 hours you can try out for 5 or so bucks? If you like it, you like it.
J
JoJo UK
Unconfirmed Member
Thank you for this. Someone else pointed this out to me, I'll be honest this was never and issue for me in ME 1 - 3 but it really broke the immersion for me this time round, it was almost the last straw.
I've actually cancelled my pre order (like 5 mins ago) but I've still got 5+ hours left on the trial and will keep playing, hopefully I'll change my mind.
Irishonion
Member
Meh, I'm not expecting them to fix every odd animation.
I can wait a few months to play, just focus on game breaking bugs first, then please clean up some awful animations.
I can wait a few months to play, just focus on game breaking bugs first, then please clean up some awful animations.
prag16
Banned
I can't understand the characters / story / writing complaints. Yes the tired face line is dreadful and that character looks horrible. But that is by far the worst character and line that I've seen to this point in the game. The writing seems fine so far, and they sucked me in from the start. I can't wait to play more and unravel the various threads they've established. Sure maybe they'll take the piss with all that and fuck up it all later on, but so far it's solid. But ME:A derangement syndrome is spreading fast.
You're expending a ton of time and energy shouting down anyone who likes the game. Without having played it.
JamesHolden
Banned
You could absolutely have concerns about this potentially affecting your enjoyment. I would suggest that if you think you might have concerns, that you play the demo to see if they affect you. I would also say if you call the game a huge mess, broken, unplayable, etc., Then I don't see any issue calling these people out.
tearsintherain
Member
If your order hasn't shipped yet you can change it to in store pickup and let the order automatically die after 7 days, the promo won't be removed from your order and it will still apply to anything else in it. If you cancel the promo gets removed. I think you can also return the game in store and the promo still applies but not 100% sure about that.
I'm on the fence as well, with the visa promo the total is $45 for me for the deluxe PLUS you get a free steelbook. The game should trade in for $40 or so the first week, so I could literally play it for 10-15 hours, just burn through the main story, then trade it in and revisit the game in a year.
Ryzaki009
Member
yeah that's kind of weird. I had a similar issue (it was with Skyrim tho) but I suspect my problem (the plug was a bit loose lol) isn't gonna be yours. Probably wait for a driver update I guess.
AlexFlame116
Member
All I know is that if I can make the almost exact same character that Slaythe posted in another thread and if I can romance a Quarian (this isn't a real reason haha) then I'm still buying it. Especially at the price im getting it at.
Been playing on EA Access Xbox one... game looks great, especially the environments. Animations, especially facial, can be unflattering but in no way has it ruined the experience for me.
Best thing I did going into this game was not go in with expectations from the original trilogy. Been great so far.
Best thing I did going into this game was not go in with expectations from the original trilogy. Been great so far.
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Have you seen the Addison (one of the leaders on the Nexus) vs Ashley GIF comparison? Cause it kinda doesn't really look significantly better, if at all, outside of graphical fidelity.
But granted, that's a caveat of a party member vs someone who's more like the council, so let's compare her to Udina.
For one example, picked from a random conversation with each Here for Udina (ME1) vs here for Addison(ME:A)
Outside of the technical limitations on textures for Udina, his eyes look way more lifelike, as does any 'fidgeting' he does during the conversation.
Addison's not helped by the extreme close-up and the lack of any indicator of overall body movement, but personally, at least, I wouldn't say there's been any significant strides outside of graphical fidelity for skin/freckles and the like. Her eyes, especially, are significantly worse, at least for me.
This post is great.
JamesHolden
Banned
The people making unwarranted sweeping criticisms are like Ashley judging Shepherd for working with Cerberus in the second game to save human colonists and take the reaper threat seriously.
OriginalPoe
Banned
The worst part about the trial is how short they cut the permitted story progression.
I'm not any more intrigued after playing the SP trial content.
I'm not any more intrigued after playing the SP trial content.
texhnolyze
Banned
Is it true that they're adding more CC options in the patch?
Different devs, actually.
Different devs, actually.
prag16
Banned
That's nothing a nice echo chamber circle jerk of groupthink can't fix. They'll come around.
GameAddict411
Member
Do you realistically expect them to redo the voice acting? Some people have unrealistic expectations. The game has shitty animation and voice over. It's Bioware fault, but we have yet to see a game fix this much in this short amount of time.
Have you played the 10hour demo?
Quite a few people have a problem with this game subpar facial animations and quality of the characters. There have been gif after gif.
So I really don't think you understand what "unwarranted" actually means. Saying "Uncharted 4 is a game with terrible visual quality" or "The Witcher 3 doesn't have enough content for the amount of money you paid for" would be unwarranted.
JamesHolden
Banned
The game is a huge mess, unplayable, broken, is the sweeping criticism. The game has poor facial animations and some buggy walking animations is legitimate criticism.
Yes and it's a step backwards from the original trilogy in most every way.
Ahhh okay. Then yes. The only game that is a broken mess for me right now that I want to play is Dead Rising 4, it's still sitting in my library.
People feel strongly about the quality of the characters enough that for some its a make or break for them. I could understand why they want to cancel their preorder over this.
The problem is the game has animation and certain graphical fidelity's similar to a game that released in 2007, a decade ago.
It just screams early last gen and recycled rush job to me, it needed another year in the oven or something at the least.
Yeah it's a videogame, yeah it's playable, but wow is it disappointing.
It just screams early last gen and recycled rush job to me, it needed another year in the oven or something at the least.
Yeah it's a videogame, yeah it's playable, but wow is it disappointing.
cleveridea
Member
The game is huge, I think they announced 1200 voice acted NPC's so no way should anyone expect patches for animation and NPC's etc apart from bug fixes/crashes.
And really, who wants to play the game without Tired Face Lady?
And really, who wants to play the game without Tired Face Lady?
Night and day? I, too, have plenty a ton of Bioware games over the years and the animations in those games were nothing to write home about in any way, shape or form. In fact, one can go on Youtube and look up a ton of animation fuck up videos about Mass Effect and Dragon Age just like they do with this one. Difference is? Those games didn't have early trials to get a head start on. Hell, the one with Shep's head twisting around 3 times in a .gif regularly used on this very forum almost daily. [/quote]
I'm not dismissing people's issues. I'm dismissing the SHOCK AND AWE over them. They were never strong in this regard at all. I am not surprised at all at this "issue."
I'm not ignoring those issues either. I played the trial. The dialogue/writing isn't great yet, but it's not bad. Especially as bad as people are making them out to be. You're comparing full games to a 10 hour trial that cuts you off before, I assume, a big story development and some side quests.
Eh, whatever. This is probably the result of the difference between how I feel about Bioware versus how fans do. I haven't held Bioware in high regard for a very long time. They are capable with average to good games but nothing truly great after KOTOR and BG series before that. (KOTOR is hit and miss in animation too btw. Again, nothing new). They have never been exceptional in any area to me. Hell, their best written games were done better by Obsidian to me. So, the fact that I'm enjoying ME: A in spite of itself and the traditional failings of the studio (or not Bioware studio) is an okay thing to me.
If you're disappointed because you put them on a pedestal, from my point of view, that's on you. Bioware has never shown any interest in improving their formula in a very, very long time now and for some, they continue to get worse.
All of this and we don't even have any one who has played through the full game yet...