"Health care" bill withdrawn due to lack of votes

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The most surprising part of the GOP is how they can continue to surprise me on how much of a joke they are when I honestly think they can't anymore.
 
I don't know. I just can't buy this. Maybe in his heart of hearts this wasn't an issue that was near and dear to him, but he campaigned heavily on this and strongly backed his bill. I get that he has this reputation of being made of Teflon and that his base will love him no matter what, but this is a serious, serious blow to him.

I think you're both right. Trump doesn't care about healthcare reform, or obamacare repeal per se. But Trump gets his views from Fox News and considers himself in tune with their viewers (which he believes represents most americans). Failing to get it done absolutely makes him look like a loser when you understand that, by being a fox news junky, he thinks Obamacare is the single greatest threat to the country. He doesn't care about the specifics of the repeal or replacement plan, but he definitely cares about being credited with repealing it
 
I don't know. I just can't buy this. Maybe in his heart of hearts this wasn't an issue that was near and dear to him, but he campaigned heavily on this and strongly backed his bill. I get that he has this reputation of being made of Teflon and that his base will love him no matter what, but this is a serious, serious blow to him.

I would think he'd also probably love the idea of pulling healthcare since that's basically Obama's biggest legacy now. (Well, aside from being the first black president)
 
This is fake but this had me laughing

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I think you're both right. Trump doesn't care about healthcare reform, or obamacare repeal per se. But Trump gets his views from Fox News and considers himself in tune with their viewers (which he believes represents most americans). Failing to get it done absolutely makes him look like a loser when you understand that, by being a fox news junky, he thinks Obamacare is the single greatest threat to the country. He doesn't care about the specifics of the repeal or replacement plan, but he definitely cares about being credited with repealing it

Right. I mean I would assume that's pretty clear. This bill as is wasn't what he campaigned on. He just needed to pass something. These idiots have spent the last seven years whining that the ACA was the single worst thing that has ever been passed into law, and now those chickens have come home to roost.
 
I want to see how this failure gets spun around by the alt right news in a few weeks. I'm sure there​ will be some 5D Chess Grand conspiracy on how this failure is all part of his master plan somehow.

They are blaming Paul Ryan and calling for his replacement..
 
Is it me or is the GOP in a no win scenario?

If they leave ACA alone, their base will get pissed.

If they pass something like this bill a lot of people will get screwed and their base (and others) will get pissed.

If they full repeal a lot of people will get screwed and their base will get pissed.
 
Huh? Do you think rolling over and letting Trump's Supreme Court pick go through without a fight is a good move at this point?

Yes I do, this AHCA thing is a catastrophe for the GOP. All attention should be on what they intend to do now.

The Dems are wrong to change the news with a quixotic crusade against a qualified SCOTUS nominee. It won't be popular and it won't work.
 
He scheduled a press conference to clarify how big his crowds were.
Yeah I'll never forget how Spicer came out and just went right at it in full defense mode. I just wonder how much Trump was digging into him about that. Clearly that affected him greatly but I wonder if it has lasting affects or he just quickly gets over it. I hope it's not the latter as it appears.
 
Now watch Dems blow this opportunity by having a war over Gorsuch

if they were smart they'd scrap every plan they have and spend the next few years winning people back on this issue. This is their way back into those working class communities that tipped it for Trump.
 
Yes I do, this AHCA thing is a catastrophe for the GOP. All attention should be on what they intend to do now.

The Dems are wrong to change the news with a quixotic crusade against a qualified SCOTUS nominee. It won't be popular and it won't work.

I get that this could look petty. But I also think that Trump is desperate for a win. Any win. Giving Gorsuch an easy path to confirmation really doesn't strike me as the clearly correct, no-nonsense play. Furthermore, they have all the cover they need after zero hearings on Garland.
 
A big fat L for liberty and a big win for big government socialist communism.

Somewhere, an American bald Eagle did not get its wings. I hope you liberals are happy. I for one weep, as those magnificent creatures need wings in order to fly.
 
You know what, this means less people will die. It may be imperfect, but as long as ACA is law of the land, more people will get the care they need.
 
problem is that the trump diehard base is majority of america

This isn't true at all.

Hillary won the popular vote to begin with and polls of people that don't vote universally show them as more favorable to Democrats and liberal policies than the actual voting public.

The GOP would be beyond fucked if you were actually forced to vote in this country.
 
problem is that the trump diehard base is majority of america

This isn't even remotely close to being true. The man got 62,984,825 votes out of a population of approximately 324,118,787 (yes, I know they're not all eligible to vote, but that's relevant here). And only a fraction of even those votes are what you might call "diehard" supporters for Trump.

You're probably talking about 15-20% of the United States are Trump's "diehard base."
 
There is a trending story on FB about how the RNC tried to cover up hiring a Russian firm to dig up dirt on Clinton during the election...

IS THIS ALL A DISTRACTION GAF???

16D Chess Confirmed.
 
Yes I do, this AHCA thing is a catastrophe for the GOP. All attention should be on what they intend to do now.

The Dems are wrong to change the news with a quixotic crusade against a qualified SCOTUS nominee. It won't be popular and it won't work.

He is qualified in a lot of ways but he's also an "aw shucks, why I would never screw over working people" conman who is being funded by who fucking knows at this point. By funded I mean that it's unclear which corporate interests are trying to run a PR campaign for him.
 
I get that this could look petty. But I also think that Trump is desperate for a win. Any win. Giving Gorsuch an easy path to confirmation really doesn't strike me as the clearly correct, no-nonsense play. Furthermore, they have all the cover they need after zero hearings on Garland.

Trump get his win with Gorsuch anyway, though Gorsuch isn't exactly a Mar-a-Lago crony. But if the senate filibuster dies on this hill, Trump will start getting some serious wins, much worse than a qualified mainstream SCOTUS pick.
 
They are blaming Paul Ryan and calling for his replacement..

Oh please yes. This needs to happen. The fight over who will be speaker would give me life

Trump get his win with Gorsuch anyway, though Gorsuch isn't exactly a Mar-a-Lago crony. But if the senate filibuster dies on this hill, Trump will start getting some serious wins.

1. McConnell isn't removing the filibuster
2. Even if he did, it's only for Supreme Court nominees, it's not the same as the filibuster for laws
 

Schumer statement on it.
Healthcare reform is dead lads. GOP cried wolf for nearly a decade and has nothing to show for it. You go that long pissing and shouting with nothing in hand, there's no second chance since everyone on the hill knows you're full of empty rhetoric now.
 
Bawwwwwwwwwww!

Meanwhile, back in Washington, Trump was fuming. According to a source close to the president, "[Trump] is upset that his son-in-law and senior adviser was not around during this crucial week." Kushner did appear at the White House on Friday during the last gasps of the Obamacare repeal effort.
 
I get that this could look petty. But I also think that Trump is desperate for a win. Any win. Giving Gorsuch an easy path to confirmation really doesn't strike me as the clearly correct, no-nonsense play. Furthermore, they have all the cover they need after zero hearings on Garland.

Utterly angering and demoralizing their base by going along with Gorsuch when it was Obama's seat to fill would be a terrible idea.

Holding the seat open for a year (with plans to hold it for as long as it takes if Hillary had won) didn't seem to have any real ramifications for republicans, so why would filibustering a seat have any for democrats?
 
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