Saw this linked on reddit: http://holdbeast.tumblr.com/post/158372026770/the-commanders-choice
A pretty good theory about Commander I think.
A pretty good theory about Commander I think.
NieR: Automata Spoiler Thread
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I wonder if having that relationship with Jackass gave her this point of view if we were to follow the poster's theory...
Man, there is so much lore in this game.
I finished the entire game two freakin' times and i'm stil finding new stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3J8k4mF1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp3J8k4mF1Q
There are some more interesting thoughts there: http://holdbeast.tumblr.com/tagged/nier-automata
This one is like WTF http://holdbeast.tumblr.com/post/158569910745/the-required-data-has-been-obtained-apparently
So u know, story from novella is kinda making sense now.. lol
This one is like WTF http://holdbeast.tumblr.com/post/158569910745/the-required-data-has-been-obtained-apparently
So u know, story from novella is kinda making sense now.. lol
SictorVullivan
Member
Yeah 100% agree.
I was so looking forward to the bombcast guys playing the game and getting to that part and seeing it in it's context, but no that guy just makes it sound like the most boring and at face value thing ever.
And yes it's by far one of my favourite games this generation atleast (up there with Bloodborne/DS3).
By the way not sure if anyone noticed but the soundtrack is up for pre-order in the UK square enix store,, again comes with the bonus hacking music CD.
shnurgleton
Member
CaptainRommel, zach, Japanese player: thank you. And I'm so sorry.
So basically Adam NTR'd 9S there, very good.
darkwing-buck
Member
Man, people really want to fuck 9S :/
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I always felt it was a bit rare how Adam grabs and embraces 2B when she stabs him.
https://youtu.be/1HCJ5NRy3hw?t=359
Now it makes sense, and it's perfect.
And now we have a new meaning of 9S "stabbing" 2B in his memory.
We have gone full circle from kill to fuck all over again.
snow in jamaica
Member
Is "non-canon" even a thing in this franchise?
This thing is pretty iffy looking back. Even TDI doesn't like his old writing anymore.
It's still the most informative thing about Drakengard buuut yeah.
Go for it if you're patient enough and in the mood for the surrealism. You would also need a guide!
RubberLuffy
Banned
Looks like Patrick Klepek got ending E, according to his twitter. I expect Waypoint to have something up about it soonish. Also he said he set up an interview with Yoko Taro, so hell yeah.
Sumio Mondo
Member
Yeah, there's some running themes that seem to happen in this universe, between the Evil little girls dressed in red with old man creepy voices, white hair for the protagonists (Nier, Kaine, Zero, 2B, 9S and A2), villains turning black (Shadowlord, Gismor and Eve), Watchers symbol popping up, cannibalism (I know, only applies to humans, but still applies to humanoid machines too surely here), flowers symbolising misery (Zero, Kaine, Emil in Automata, Furiae).
Another big one is miscommunication leading to death - Pascal with the "child" machines telling them about "fear", the entire events of NieR could have been avoided if Kaine said something since she understood the Shades and only cared about revenge, Nier thinking that Shades are "evil" and vice versa, Popola and Devola leaving people in the dark and thus causing the events of the Nier universe, 2B not telling 9S about her true feelings and vice versa, Caim not being able to speak and seeing his best friend teaming up with his parent's murderer - the Black Dragon, Furiae not being to tell Caim her true feelings etc, Roc thinking that The King was personally responsible for killing his fellow wolves etc. A lot of bad shit could have been avoided in these games if the characters could communicate properly.
Taro sure likes his recurring imagery and themes, alright.
DreamedLint
Member
Has there ever been a breakdown of the Picture Books? I assumed it's data from 9S's previous investigations that he generated before being executed again. Is the god that comes from the volcano the machine network in the tower? Are the gifts the network diversifying the vectors? Things like Simone's beauty, Adam's hatred, Aguste's brothers, and The Forest King's (really not sure on this one) family all examples of the machines copying "mankind's failures" like that one sidequest suggests?
EvilKatarn
Member
The S Link FM spoilercast is real good. Definitely a bunch of new interesting interpretations I didn't catch on my playthrough.
DrunkShogun
Member
What's the song name for ending A. When 2b helps 9s with his neck problem.
SictorVullivan
Member
Vague Hope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bJznex0eYQ
Non vocal version (also really good):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-LQVsudfCM
I seriously cant think of one song on the OST that I dont love. It's just crazy consistent.
DrunkShogun
Member
Thank you very much. So many good songs that are only played a few times is ridiculous.
Vague Hope plays a few times during sidequest at least.
OniBarubary
Banned
Something that repeatedly happens that's interesting and ties back into the themes of Ending E is that every paired off android/machine goes berserk when one of them is gone. We see it with Devola and Popola, we see it with Adam and Eve and we see it with 9S and 2B. Take away one and the other can't sustain the weight of the world by themselves.
N° 2048
Member
Listening to this now and amazing job.
DrunkShogun
Member
That why I was reminded on my second run on the game since ending e happened. Was played after helping operator for 9s.
Well, if those weapon stories are any sort of indication, it seems romantic on 2B's part to me.
Weapon stories are quite clear on that part and I think there are other hints there. It makes everything that happened even more depressing. And all of this emotion prohibited talks are pretty suggestive too.
OniBarubary
Banned
Can androids even bone?
Edit: Yeah the weapon stories also strongly indicate the pairing idea.
Edit: Yeah the weapon stories also strongly indicate the pairing idea.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Nope. Reproductive function and gender is irrelevant when you are simply rolled off of a production line. Same applies to Replicants too, which is why they went extinct.
Sure they can. Just in the form of if and else statements, includes, and etc.
Did you get 2B's message from her fligh unit in Route C? Or read the weapon stories? Or notice how jealous she got in the Amnesia side quest? Them planning a T shirt date for after the war? Or the blatant sexual imagery during ending A and B?
Saying 2B only loved him playtonically is like saying 6O was straight.
The ability to have sex is somewhat orthogonal to having the ability to reproduce.
Wait what message from her flight unit? Was this a cutscene or is it something you find in the world? I didn't see her reactions during the Amnesia quest as jealousy really. But maybe it was. The date I saw as cute more than anything. I haven't read the weapon stories yet either. I'm saving it for when I upgrade them all. Sorry I just refuse to believe 2B could love a man shorter than her. 21O x 9S for life. Yes I'm aware it's incesty.
Kidding of course but I did see it as a kind of really deep platonic love with some possible romance. Regardless, it was true love.
2B isn't even taller then him, it's the heels, without those there the same height. Lol
OniBarubary
Banned
So not much different than my love life then.
This is an exceptionally good analysis of the game. Kudos.
As a 5'4" man, you have made an enemy for life today.
YoRHa No.2 Type B
Banned
After I gave up my save where I was clearly overleveled early (55 after Adam boss leveling)
I am now again in the middle of route C and encountered glitches/bug I did not the first time.
For example:
In route B I could sleep next to 2B at the very beginning when I should've boot her up
Then right after that where he talks about voice volume (I left this menu pretty fast, since I did that already), he said HELLOOO HELLLO CAN YOU HEAR ME, when 2B just woke up, pretty funny actually
Then at the start of route C, the bridge disapperead where I acutally have to go to lower the anti air defense, which resulted me in falling down the cliff
And I encouter 3x a very annoying bug, which I NEVER encountered ever in my playthrough before.
Loading Map.... (I waited even 20 minutes, both times) seems that just means, close the application, it froze
I was actually under the impression that 9S was supposed to be a young boy (like 14 or 15) and 2B an adult woman, so that's why I thought it would be weird if she was also in love with him. My impression of that did change a little as I played through the game though. I'm gonna look for 2B's flight unit and read the weapon stories as soon as I upgrade them.
2B the type of girl that like her mandroids 6' and up. Find her on that heightism twitter.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Its irrelevant to function; machine or android everyone is basically a disposable weapon.
As I wrote in an earlier post, the engine that drives the story is the ineffable loneliness of existence. Its practically spelled out in the "kind king" storybook where the machines nestled together forever, without really knowing why.
One of the most poignant bits in the game for me.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Replicants definitely have genitalia. See: Kaine. They're just sterile.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Just got the Y ending while doing my last Quest for 100%. LMAO, I shoulda known
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Edit: what do you get to keep when starting over again? skins unlocks? hats? weapons? chips?
exploding emils!
Edit: what do you get to keep when starting over again? skins unlocks? hats? weapons? chips?
Making them look human is irrelevant to function too. The machines clearly don't and it is explicitly spelled out, but it says nothing of the androids.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Yes, because they were intended as "empty vessels" for a static population size. Obviously replicants are androids in the sense that their name-sakes in Blade Runner are androids, they are biological.
That being said gender is pretty much irrelevant; the kids in the Aerie torment Kaine because she's "different", a xenophobic reaction that's entirely consistent with that faction.
The important part however is that Replicants think they are human, which is where the problems begin
Androids and machine life-forms are entirely aware of what they are.
Yes, because they were intended as "empty vessels" for a static population size. Obviously replicants are androids in the sense that their name-sakes in Blade Runner are androids, they are biological.
That being said gender is pretty much irrelevant; the kids in the Aerie torment Kaine because she's "different", a xenophobic reaction that's entirely consistent with that faction.
The important part however is that Replicants think they are human, which is where the problems begin
Androids and machine life-forms are entirely aware of what they are.
Androids in game directly mention having lovers, 9S has a modeled bulge. They fuck my man
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Not really. Its just a reminder of who they are fighting for, and the difference between them and the enemy.
Slater said:
Androids love their human creators too, its just how they were made.
OniBarubary
Banned
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Sure, I'm just saying Replicants can and do bone.Yes, because they were intended as "empty vessels" for a static population size. Obviously replicants are androids in the sense that their name-sakes in Blade Runner are androids, they are biological.
That being said gender is pretty much irrelevant; the kids in the Aerie torment Kaine because she's "different", a xenophobic reaction that's entirely consistent with that faction.
The important part however is that Replicants think they are human, which is where the problems begin
Androids and machine life-forms are entirely aware of what they are.
As for the androids, I think it's useless to speculate. There is enough evidence on both sides that it's just a matter of waiting for Taro make the call. Either answer would be reasonable and appropriate.
OniBarubary
Banned
My browser search history says otherwise!
This podcast brought up a fantastic point about this game showing how difficult it is to get rid of ingrained prejudice in the face of overwhelming evidence that contradicts your beliefs.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
I dunno. Look at it this way: During Jackass's research we learn that androids derive pleasure from killing machines; why would it be desirable to implement a competing reward system for an entirely redundant reproductive apparatus?
The assumption being made is that sex is as pleasurable for an android as it is for a human. Meaning that expressing "love" might take a different form.
2B isn't actually that much taller than 9S. She's roughly the same height as him without the heels. The blindfold makes her look older than she really is, but I imagine they could come off similar in age if they were dressed normally in a regular setting. Or just go on their shopping date.
Dreams-Visions
Member
So I redid the fight for Pascal's children. I killed Pascal this time and the game crashed. lmao
I doubt anyone remembers who Kainè is. I mean, no one's exclaiming "hey, that skeleton ball that fucked up the planet is outside singing again!"