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[Mr.Monitor]

Anybody have any solutions for replaying the game without feeling super OP even after 100%-ing it? I really wanna replay to explore the combat a bit more, but I don't want to redo the sidequests or lose all my weapons, accessories, and abilities. At the same time, even on very hard every enemy dies in like two hits. I just want to mess around with all the weapons in 2Bs armor without having to use debug mode to set up every battle. I wish debug mode would let you change your character's level. Kinda disappointing as with most Platinum games the game only gets more interesting once you've unlocked everything, NieR Automata seems to be a really strong exception to that.

 

[Shahadan]

I actually thought the whole Ro-Shi/Ko-Shi fight was fucking amazing.

Just watched a great stream where the girl was seriously conflicted about deleting her save data and was really emotional about it.

I'd like a link to that video as well. I've been trying to find video reactions to some key passages such as that and the shit-just-got-real moment in Route C, but I failed so far.
Also I agree the Ro-Shi/Ko-Shi fight was really great. So many great things about it, the nearly seamless switching, the music, and even what the bosses are experiencing is fucking great. When they paired up I even said "of course!" out loud.

This game made me wish I was younger, lol. Younger me would have be blown away by these developments and endings much more than my jaded old self. ;(

 

[N° 2048]

Anybody have any solutions for replaying the game without feeling super OP even after 100%-ing it? I really wanna replay to explore the combat a bit more, but I don't want to redo the sidequests or lose all my weapons, accessories, and abilities. At the same time, even on very hard every enemy dies in like two hits. I just want to mess around with all the weapons in 2Bs armor without having to use debug mode to set up every battle. I wish debug mode would let you change your character's level. Kinda disappointing as with most Platinum games the game only gets more interesting once you've unlocked everything, NieR Automata seems to be a really strong exception to that.

Yea, I think I'm gonna do the game again just for the story with my almost 100% save then sacrifice my save and do the game again from scratch.

Wish there was a NG+ where I'm not super OP.

 

[Tribes of Trusty]

I'd like a link to that video as well. I've been trying to find video reactions to some key passages such as that and the shit-just-got-real moment in Route C, but I failed so far.

Also I agree the Ro-Shi/Ko-Shi fight was really great. So many great things about it, the nearly seamless switching, the music, and even what the bosses are experiencing is fucking great. When they paired up I even said "of course!" out loud.

That part was pretty great.

Plus I liked how characters switched during the final phase of the battle.

 

[wesStyle]

I'd love a link to that.

Also for those looking for more Nier Automata reading material. this is a really fascinating long-form essay on the game and its themes: https://tanoshimi.xyz/2017/03/21/violet-evergarden-spoilers/

Very nice philosophical analysis there really appreciated the actual references and quotes. I think we will see more and more of them in the future as was mentioned in the podcast linked above.

Edit: inappropriate brainfarts are inappropriate

 

[Ruff]

I actually thought the whole Ro-Shi/Ko-Shi fight was fucking amazing.

Just watched a great stream where the girl was seriously conflicted about deleting her save data and was really emotional about it.

Link to streamer? I'm having trouble finding decent plays that aren't lame meme-streamers who give up after route A

 

[Tetsujin_MK]

Oh yeah. I actually might wager that each user whose data is sacrificed is only one ship. As in, ever. When they die, the game displays that the player's data has been deleted.

That might be from the server, permanently. Which, if that's the case, might make Ending E eventually almost unattainable if players aren't continuously sacrificing themselves. Wonder if they'd do that.

Or what it was like to be first.

I don't think there was ever any 'first' to be honest. I'd bet that the devs uploaded a bunch of dummy saves to make the whole thing work.

 

[OniBaka]

A2 is the best character to play as

Nah 2B is, I prefer to have more move sets than having taunt.

 

[darkwing-buck]

Nah 2B is, I prefer to have more move sets than having taunt.

2B is cool but I still find her attacks kinda odd, like holding down the button is already a combo lol I prefer just mixing and mashing.

Plus I enjoy A2's flying and berserk mode.

 

[OniBarubary]

I'd love a link to that.

Also for those looking for more Nier Automata reading material. this is a really fascinating long-form essay on the game and its themes: https://tanoshimi.xyz/2017/03/21/violet-evergarden-spoilers/

I'd like a link to that video as well. I've been trying to find video reactions to some key passages such as that and the shit-just-got-real moment in Route C, but I failed so far.
Also I agree the Ro-Shi/Ko-Shi fight was really great. So many great things about it, the nearly seamless switching, the music, and even what the bosses are experiencing is fucking great. When they paired up I even said "of course!" out loud.

This game made me wish I was younger, lol. Younger me would have be blown away by these developments and endings much more than my jaded old self. ;(

Link to streamer? I'm having trouble finding decent plays that aren't lame meme-streamers who give up after route A

Here ya go.

https://www.twitch.tv/burnbxx

She like literally falls out of her chair the 3rd time he asks if she's sure.

I think the problem I'm finding with watching people stream or Let's Play this is...the game is not conducive to a shared experience, especially one that often focuses on being able to not pay attention to the game to interact with viewers or insert your personality into it. Like...to really become invested in what it's doing you have to pay attention to it and you just can't do that when you're reading sub notifications and thanking people for donating or trying to do whacky voices for the characters.

It is, for want of a better term, a personal game. It's story beats and themes resonate much stronger on a heavier level than most games would. It doesn't have the easy emotional beats of an Undertale or...I dunno, Uncharted 4 (does that have sad parts? I don't know).

Another problem, (and let me make HUGE PREFACE OF SAYING THIS THAT THIS OBVIOUSLY IS NOT ALL OR EVEN MOST PEOPLE WHO DISLIKE OR DIDN'T CONNECT WITH THE GAME) is that I feel a lot of people just didn't...approach this game in the right way; as a story heavy game they're the type of person who mashed through the text or hated 9S for having emotions. Who talks over a cutscene and then says "I don't even understand why I'm doing this" who checks their phone while they skip sidequest text. I actually saw this twice on stream, just completely not understanding anything like the person who will ask you when you watch a movie why something happened because it was not immediately explained and then when you're shushing them they miss the explanation and go "None of this make sense" A lot of people didn't have the patience to see something they did not immediately understand or that they could "solve" and didn't trust the game to either answer it or address it.

Even people on here have this weird sort of...memory of Nier where all the amazing stuff is there from the start and it's like "No, it's just easy to look back at the things you liked that you learn later in the story that enhance the beginning that you didn't even know or realize so that when you're playing this game and don't get that feeling immediately, just like the original Nier, you became disappointed it can't match a full experience with just an opening"

Its crazy I remember making a post back then when they revealed pascal where i said that 'he is so dead'. I wonder what the old me reaction if I told me who the killer is

I was literally waiting for the hammer to fall the whole game.

 

[Samaritan]

Could someone describe to me how the geography of the world works? I'm mainly wondering where the Aerie and Nier's village fit into the world. But also... is it implied that the many skyscrapers and buildings are the same from Tokyo circa-2000's, the same buildings that surround the final area of the first NieR?

 

[SaniOYOYOY]

I'd love a link to that.

Also for those looking for more Nier Automata reading material. this is a really fascinating long-form essay on the game and its themes: https://tanoshimi.xyz/2017/03/21/violet-evergarden-spoilers/

wtf did yoko just touch about faith, sexual identity, philosophy , ideology and things ill probably miss in his narrative just like that? I refused to say that this is intentional.

Another thing to add about Adam and Eve creation out of a regular machine, there is this article called "The Chemical Basis of Morphogenesis" by Alan turing that was cited like a bazzilion times in the scientific world. There he basically prove that non uniformity can arise from something homogeneous. I can argue that Adam and Eve was always brought up in a discussion about 'the act of creation' but to see this adam and eve emerge from a homogeneous machine really reminds me of that article

 

[Dreams-Visions]

ay bruhs, are the clocks fast in the future or are they really 9,000 years in the future?

 

[OniBarubary]

ay bruhs, are the clocks fast in the future or are they really 9,000 years in the future?

Nah, they're just fucking with you.

 

[tuxfool]

Could someone describe to me how the geography of the world works? I'm mainly wondering where the Aerie and Nier's village fit into the world. But also... is it implied that the many skyscrapers and buildings are the same from Tokyo circa-2000's, the same buildings that surround the final area of the first NieR?

I don't think so. But it is implied that the desert is where Facade used to be.

 

[RyougaSaotome]

Here ya go.

https://www.twitch.tv/burnbxx

She like literally falls out of her chair the 3rd time he asks if she's sure.

Oh man, she seems so ill prepared for all the major moments, it's great.

Like she totally had no idea what insanity she was stepping into.

 

[Samaritan]

I don't think so. But it is implied that the desert is where Facade used to be.

Far more than implied, it's unquestionably confirmed and even name-dropped in one of the side quests. So the desert is Facade, which means this is the same general world of the first NieR. So where is the Aerie? It appears to be... underground now? Considering where Kainé's home is in Automata. But that makes no sense. And where does that put Nier's village?

 

[Eumi]

Far more than implied, it's unquestionably confirmed and even name-dropped in one of the side quests. So the desert is Facade, which means this is the same general world of the first NieR. So where is the Aerie? It appears to be... underground now? Considering where Kainé's home is in Automata. But that makes no sense. And where does that put Nier's village?

The game just takes place in the city that Nier ends in. Kainè's house was just moved underground to keep it safe.

 

[RyougaSaotome]

Far more than implied, it's unquestionably confirmed and even name-dropped in one of the side quests. So the desert is Facade, which means this is the same general world of the first NieR. So where is the Aerie? It appears to be... underground now? Considering where Kainé's home is in Automata. But that makes no sense. And where does that put Nier's village?

I'm not sure how it all matches up, but it's probably important to consider scale here. In base NieR they kind of imply that neighboring towns are super duper far away when it's like, a 3 minute run in reality.

 

[tuxfool]

Far more than implied, it's unquestionably confirmed and even name-dropped in one of the side quests. So the desert is Facade, which means this is the same general world of the first NieR. So where is the Aerie? It appears to be... underground now? Considering where Kainé's home is in Automata. But that makes no sense. And where does that put Nier's village?

Kainé's hut was moved, Emil mentions that he protected it or something.

 

[trailmix16]

anyone know of essays that talk about the german philosophers referenced wrt the subject matter in nier

 

[Nasbin]

Very nice philosophical analysis there really appreciated the actual references and quotes. I think we will see more and more of them in the future as was mentioned in the podcast linked above.

The only thing I didn't like is the whole all androids/machines are basically transgender and how it is all a message blah blah. Please, we were praising the game on how subtle the whole lesbian operator thing was and not forced unlike new ME. I really don't want to see news comparing those games(which is pure blasphemy in itself) and how sjw-friendly are those games.
They are called androids for a reason, they emulate humans(so has programmed gender) and also different physique(again, like humans) so there is that. Machines obviously try to do the same but without different body types. Digging it so deep and transforming it all into trans propaganda is not favorable here. I have nothing wrong with em but thought that we can try not to involve those topics as one of the main analysis points of the actual human/robot drama.

Maybe I am interpreting it wrong, but that's my 2c.

What the fuck is wrong with people like you? "Trans propaganda". I can't roll my eyes any harder.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

My only gripe is the bosses were underwhelming compared to the first Nier.

I agree. Some of the bosses were great, like Oochie and Koochie, but Nier had more consistently interesting and exciting bosses with more compelling stakes. Part of this goes back to Nier having a more lively and charismatic party, though, since their banter gave the fights emotional context. In Automata, we have hardened soldiers doing what Command tells them to do, and at any moment you could just peace out back to the Bunker.

 

[trailmix16]

So I probably hosed myself. I did the delete all thing without thinking it literally would. Oops.

I guess that's it for me and this game. No getting other endings. No way in uncle tucan sam I would replay 35 hours of content lol.

Perplexing design decision... I really wouldn't have let the player even DO THIS until they unlock the majority of endings or speak in plain English (No joke your entire save is going down the drain, go do other stuff if you still want trophies and endings).

My own fault for not taking it seriously or checking online quick.

Time to youtube other endings now. No platinum trophy for me on this one. Ugh. :/

.

 

[cm osi]

so anytime one of the helpers get killed in the credits he's gone from the servers? there shouldn't be enough to help if that's the case

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

so anytime one of the helpers get killed in the credits he's gone from the servers? there shouldn't be enough to help if that's the case

I'm pretty sure that's just for show. The names are most likely real, but like you said, it wouldn't be sustainable if they were actually being removed.

 

[HeelPower]

Wait..How come Nier Automata didn't get any CG cutscenes from Square Enix ,but Drakengard 3 did ???

Time to be upset at Square Enix yet again! Where's my visual works CG cutscene!!!

 

[Christhor]

Wait..How come Nier Automata didn't get any CG cutscenes from Square Enix ,but Drakengard 3 did ???

Time to be upset at Square Enix yet again! Where's my visual works CG cutscene!!!

They should have given us CG cutscenes that were worse looking than the regular ones like in the original Nier.

 

[OniBarubary]

Wait..How come Nier Automata didn't get any CG cutscenes from Square Enix ,but Drakengard 3 did ???

Time to be upset at Square Enix yet again! Where's my visual works CG cutscene!!!

You just wanna see CG booty

 

[Moonkid]

What the fuck is wrong with people like you? "Trans propaganda". I can't roll my eyes any harder.

For real, and did no one else notice that post?

Like we're all gonna come across interpretations and analysis we don't like and that's fine, but maybe don't go on a spiel about sjws and nonsense like 'trans propaganda.' Your view of the game isn't threatened by that piece.

 

[darkwing-buck]

I feel like the weapon stories in this are better then 90% of other video games's stories lol

 

[RyougaSaotome]

For real, and did no one else notice that post?

Like we're all gonna come across interpretations and analysis we don't like and that's fine, but maybe don't go on a spiel about sjws and nonsense like 'trans propaganda.' Your view of the game isn't threatened by that piece.

It's more like I chose to ignore it because holy shit wtf.

 

[Vazra]

I feel like the weapon stories in this are better then 90% of other video games's stories lol

True

 

[LotusHD]

I'd love a link to that.

Also for those looking for more Nier Automata reading material. this is a really fascinating long-form essay on the game and its themes: https://tanoshimi.xyz/2017/03/21/violet-evergarden-spoilers/

Just read it, very insightful.

For real, and did no one else notice that post?

Like we're all gonna come across interpretations and analysis we don't like and that's fine, but maybe don't go on a spiel about sjws and nonsense like 'trans propaganda.' Your view of the game isn't threatened by that piece.

It's more like I chose to ignore it because holy shit wtf.

I didn't want to say nothing because I wasn't able to read the post at the time, so I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt on the extremely slim chance that I'd be chastising him out of ignorance, but nope, no idea where he was going with that.

 

[Carl7]

When the camera changed to his perspective I knew what was gonna happen.

 

[Ferrio]

Just finished, fantastic game, one for the ages.

Also Devola and Popola got such a raw deal. They were tragic characters in Nier, and it got worse.

Is there nothing extra for leaving Pascal alive?

 

[LotusHD]

Is there nothing extra for leaving Pascal alive?

You'll feel extra bad?

 

[OniBaka]

Just finished, fantastic game, one for the ages.

Also Devola and Popola got such a raw deal. They were tragic characters in Nier, and it got worse.

Is there nothing extra for leaving Pascal alive?

Go to the village as 9S after that event.

 

[VRMN]

You'll feel extra bad?

He sells a weapon and machine parts and, horrifically, the cores of the children, if you go to his village as 9S after doing so. He also makes it clear he has no idea what he's doing or what this "junk" is littering his village.

Most depressing thing I've done for the sake of getting all the weapons. Was a real "oh fuck that's terrible" moment even among all the others.

 

[OniBaka]

He sells a weapon and machine parts and, horrifically, the cores of the children, if you go to his village as 9S after doing so. He also makes it clear he has no idea what he's doing or what this "junk" is littering his village.

Most depressing thing I've done for the sake of getting all the weapons. Was a real "oh fuck that's terrible" moment even among all the others.

Eh could have left it as a surprise for them.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Just finished, fantastic game, one for the ages.

Also Devola and Popola got such a raw deal. They were tragic characters in Nier, and it got worse.

Is there nothing extra for leaving Pascal alive?

Ive never played Nier but I really feel for this Devola and Popola. Spending most of your lives feeling guilt for something you had no hand in, and being completely forced to feel that guilt, while being treated like shit everywhere you go just because of your association to the ones that fucked up. Then to die, sacrificing yourselves just to satisfy that guilt...

I just described this to someone else as "A completely meaningless death, but at the same time, all the meaning in the world"

He sells a weapon and machine parts and, horrifically, the cores of the children, if you go to his village as 9S after doing so. He also makes it clear he has no idea what he's doing or what this "junk" is littering his village.

Most depressing thing I've done for the sake of getting all the weapons. Was a real "oh fuck that's terrible" moment even among all the others.

but then you get to punch enemies with the heads of the children

 

[LotusHD]

He sells a weapon and machine parts and, horrifically, the cores of the children, if you go to his village as 9S after doing so. He also makes it clear he has no idea what he's doing or what this "junk" is littering his village.

Most depressing thing I've done for the sake of getting all the weapons. Was a real "oh fuck that's terrible" moment even among all the others.

I'm hip lol

It's part of the reason I recommend people play as A2 until the game forces them to pick 9S, as it seems to maximize their chances of seeing Pascal back in the village later on as 9S.

 

[OniBarubary]

Holy shit yeah, how did I not notice that post?! Jesus.

Ignoring the support of whether or not this game contains trans themes it is fucking abhorrent to call an examination or discussion about it as fucking "trans propaganda" which is frankly disgusting when one of the biggest themes of the very game we're talking about is ingrained stubbornness of out-dated or shitty thinking systems having no logical basis.

Like fuck, what is that cookie-dooks garbage?

True

Fucking delightful.

but then you get to punch enemies with the heads of the children

Truly, this is what they would have wanted.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

Truly, this is what they would have wanted.

when your options are the head of dead machine children, and the heads of dead Emil clones, you gotta make the tough choices

 

[HeelPower]

Pascal's clearly very significant and unique thematically.

Anyone has ideas for what he and his people are meant to represent ?

Been mulling over a few things ,but I can't quite articulate them yet.

 

[Ferrio]

Ive never played Nier but I really feel for this Devola and Popola. Spending most of your lives feeling guilt for something you had no hand in, and being completely forced to feel that guilt, while being treated like shit everywhere you go just because of your association to the ones that fucked up. Then to die, sacrificing yourselves just to satisfy that guilt...

Even worse that it *was* them and they don't even know it.

 

[OniBarubary]

Pascal's clearly very significant and unique thematically.

Anyone has ideas for what he and his people are meant to represent ?

Been mulling over a few things ,but I can't quite articulate them yet.

Heard a number of people say that a lot of the machine village and Pascal aspects can be related to World War 2 and the references to that era in the game are pretty fucking blatant. Haven't heard much expansion past that.

 

[OverturePT]

Just got ending E. Man, what a fucking ride. Thanks to those that sacrificed (

Spoiler

sacrificed after backing them up, I hope

) their save files to help me see that ending.

Beautiful, tragic fucking game.

 

[EdmondD]

He sells a weapon and machine parts and, horrifically, the cores of the children, if you go to his village as 9S after doing so. He also makes it clear he has no idea what he's doing or what this "junk" is littering his village.

Most depressing thing I've done for the sake of getting all the weapons. Was a real "oh fuck that's terrible" moment even among all the others.

The interesting thing about the children's cores is that it can be sold for profit. In fact it's only purpose seems to be sold for money. So, you can literally profit off the souls of dead children. Yeah, Taro is fucked up.

 

[Carl7]

Aww the pods are so cute.