Stop. Concern. Trolling.
Jesus.
Who is mocking the developers feelings here, what the hell are you on about other than attacking Jim ad hominem?
Jim Sterling, Laura Kate Dale: Warning to Yooka-Laylee Pre-Orderers
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Stop. Concern. Trolling.
Jesus.
Who is mocking the developers feelings here, what the hell are you on about other than attacking Jim ad hominem?
Killroyskbg
Member
If it performs bad it performs bad and that should be part of a review of a product. If a car performs bad compared to other cars it is part of the review of the car. If a restaurant performance is bad compared to other restaurants it is part of the review. You review a product or service not the amount of feelings or effort put into it.
Surprised this thread hasn't been closed yet, horrible comments like this just people throwing shit.
Its not as easy as "we'll just use UE instead!", UE has different workflows, different demands of its users, UE may have required Playtonic spend a significant amount of time learning how to get it to do what they want from their game
JetSetRadio
Banned
Thanks for the warning Jim! Glad that toybox looked like shit, wouldn't pre-order otherwise without a playable bonus like that.
Cool, should hold Jim and Laura to the same standard too, no?
Some Developers and Publishers send an early copy of a game to reviewers so they can complete the game and write a fair review before it's released.
They place an embargo on commenting so other gaming journalists can deliver their review of the game in a similar timeframe. Ignoring this is disrespectful and unprofessional.
Some companies take advantage of this but not all of them have an ulterior motive with embargoes.
BlazingDarkness
Member
The delicious thing about this nonsense thread is that Jim will probably make a video about those people concern trolling and outright criticizing him for having an opinion (that differs from theirs) which will rile them up even more. 
Lanrutcon
Member
Feelings be damned: results matter in business. Passion, sweat and effort don't mean shit if you don't produce.
No, for crying out loud.
Saying, if you're pre-ordering the game I'd think twice until you see the reviews is not breaking an embargo. It's telling people to judge the game on the reviews before committing to it.
Anyone offended by this simple consumer advice is a bit too highly strung.
Bullshit
Maintenance
Member
People are already shooting the messenger, I see.
There's nothing wrong with criticism, but these comments are so blanket in nature that I can completely understand at people being frustrated at them. Like what do they even mean? Their comments imply there's something more to it than just performance issues, but if they're under NDA why even bring it up so early? That's why people are saying it's just trolling which Sterling is known for.
No, it's calling you out on the "Please, think of the children" shite you're spouting.
They mean hold your cash until you see the reviews. It's not hard to fathom.
If you like the look of the game once the reviews are laid out, happy days. If not, also good.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Or has an agenda. I.e people having a vendetta against Jim for daring to give their beloved Zelda a 7.
It's not like their comments were meant to taken as reviews though...didn't even talk about how the game is in terms of enjoyment, they only made comments based on it's performance, which isn't really subjective and doesn't need the context of a review to appreciate.
Passion has nothing to do with it either sadly. Having passion doesn't mean anything they make will necessarily be good, it can help for sure and something to admire, but that's it. That and we're just talking about performance of the game here, not whether the game itself is good (Which I still hope will be and haven't seen anything to say otherwise for someone else). No Mans Sky (and maybe ME:A) probably had tons of passion behind it and look how they turned out. (Still hope they can keep add to and improve them though), but having passion doesn't make them immune against criticism and make it fine to ship out something that doesn't perform well, so really passion or not, I'm not going to be pleased if I pay for something that is has issues that negatively impacts my enjoyment of it.
Phoenix RISING
Banned
That's actually how I would describe your comment because it doesn't do anything to evolve the discussion. I.E. describing why my comment is problematic. You do know that backseat moderation is a bannable offense, right?
So let's try this again: this topic is rife with activity because a critic who "denied" Zelda its "10," is now going after the throat of the highly anticipated spiritual successor of a dead franchise beloved my many.
That's notwithstanding the accusations of breaking embargo, preview rights, the risk of kickstarter and so forth.
The perfect Dark
Banned
Jim Sterling warns...
that's all I need to know. Just pre-ordered the game.
And btw: I don't care about performance. I care about good games.
that's all I need to know. Just pre-ordered the game.
And btw: I don't care about performance. I care about good games.
Gravy Boat
Member
Is this real or sarcasm? I need to know.
This is true if the comments where generalized, but it's specifically directed towards YL after receiving an early copy of the game. "if you pre-ordered it, think twice"
Can't they wait until the embargo is up, like everyone else?
Killroyskbg
Member
You just keep on delivering don't you.
MisterR
Member
You see people getting banned in review threads for even slightly questioning a review score, yet for some reason people posting shit like this about that Zelda review keep posting this stuff without having to worry about it.
So it's Jim you have an issue with on seemingly a personal level. Good for you I guess
Whats your problem with that? Seriously? Its a good advice and thats it.
I mean I don't ever pre-order anything unless I want it to buy the physical release on the day it's released, lol. Everyone that is going to pre-order Yooka-Laylee has already done so. The ambiguity of his comments doesn't really help anything since it can be interpreted many different ways. Jim Sterling is telling us common sense everyone should already know but inserting ambiguous comments to stir the pot for no reason. If there's problems with the game tell us or don't, NDAs exist for a reason.
I think Jim is a very astute journalist, and fundamentally a very good reviewer - knowledgable and on the money a lot of the time. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't. I'm not a fan of the format of his YT show, his 'celebrity' persona or stunts like this. But we're allowed to form opinions on journalistic content just as we do about videogame content.
Gravy Boat
Member
Did you listen to the podcast? He literally said the game is good, the story is interesting and hints towards performance issues. 'Think twice' about pre-ordering a game that may not run well. Not 'Don't Buy It', just wait and see before comitting. The whole section is maybe 5 minutes in a 1hr + podcast. It's not like they made a big deal out if it, it just came up in conversation. Hardly 'Stirring the pot'.
Your right it is good advice, but you missed the point of my comments.
It's sad how integrity seems to have no place in the our hobby/gaming industry anymore.
How is this a stunt? It's a mild at best comment about possibly reconsidering pre-orders due to performance issues. Other podcasts/outlets will say very similar things under embargo, this isn't some revelatory comment on the actual game content
Gravy Boat
Member
Exactly. You can tell who listen to the podcast and who hasn't. It wasn't some grand bitching section, it was a single comment in a 1hr+ podcast where the game was discussed for like 5 minutes total. They said more good things about the game than bad things. It was a conversation, one that if it were had on any other podcast by anyone else, nobody would have given a single shit.
He's done as much as he can to inform his listeners as he can without breaking the embargo, hasn't he? I don't see the lack of integrity, except he could have mentioned the platform.
Do you really deem reviewers as lacking integrity for mentioning this stuff?
Didn't say you needed to be banned just one example out of many of pretty shameful posts that clearly have nothing to do with the topic and are simply venting or throwing shit at jim and laura, pointing out silly responses is not backseat modding no need to get defensive because I and others have called them out.
Do you have proof for your statement because don't see how giving an opinion about a game is a 'business move' the only reason it gets brought up because people are acting like children and can't seem to move on from a reviewer giving his opinion for a score that means nothing except for the people holding the grudge., considering you have posted 7 times in the thread you seem to be one of those people.
I mean you have in jest mocked a reviewer before for the scores he gives out
LoL, imagine being the editor of a team of reviewers, and this guy is on your team.
9.64 points higher than average...he wants to give Horizon a 10 too.
And seem to have a review code of your own...seems like you have some issues letting go of Jim.
Embarrassing.
The Jackdog
Member
lol cmon
I wasn't able to listen but I was wondering if there was a little more to the story than what is going around. I think it would be a little bit unprofessional to sort of blanket statement ambiguously warn about a game, but it doesn't seem like that's what happened? If he said he liked the game/the game is good but said some people may not like some hardware issues I think that's a reasonable "preview" and doesn't warrent backlash to the statement and certainly doesn't break embargo.
But at the same time I feel a little bit uninformed to the situation.
The perfect Dark
Banned
Just like your comment.
This guy (Jim) is an asshole. I can't stand him. He's one of the biggest internet trolls I've ever seen and instead of ignoring guys like him he gets so much attention. I will never understand this. never.
this is going to be a thing for the next 5 years, isn't it?
tkscz
Member
Or just rather play the game themselves than believe what Jim says? They can do that without caring what he thought about Zelda.
Some people are still upset about his Assassin's Creed 2 review, and that was almost a decade ago.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Yup.
There's quite an amusing correlation of people shitting on Jim that also happen to have Nintendo avatars.
Honest questions. Why didn't you pre-order YL before? Why wait until comments that the game might not perform well? Do you think Jim (because you left Laura out of this for some reason) lies? Did you just pre-order a game just because you dislike an individual unrelated to said game?
I'm sorry, but your comment is bizarre.
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Okay I get it now. nm
This will be the new "pachter is concerned, will sell millions" lol
Just try not to be in the 3% outlier from the general concensus.
Why would his comments offend you if you wanted to try the game yourself anyway? I'm confused.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Absoloutely. They can also not care what he thought about Zelda and not shit on his opinion and accuse him of trying to get clicks with his opinions, funny that.
Lanrutcon
Member
@JimSterling: Hear that, you bastard? Random Mario avatar thinks you suck.
#1 Kissboy my ass. More like...7 out of 10...boy...
Yeah, reviewers who don't conform deserve blue Mario's wrath.
Thanks for illustrating my point.