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I would also like to put in a word to remain calm and think of this in the context of the past several years. It's not like this is the first time we've bombed Syria.

How are these 70 missiles significantly different than the 12,192 from last year? Do the targets make the difference? The intent? How much does it really matter?

As others have said, this is targeted at the Syrian regime, how could you possibly not see the difference?

 

[Scrooged]

Bombing ISIS or AL-Qaeda who everyone hates vs bombing Assad (and possibly Russians since they are in Syria) who is Russia's ally is a big fucking difference.

So we're supposed to be highly critical of attacking a military target after the county gassed civilians...a country that is a Russian ally no less. Okay.

 

[dave is ok]

Then how should the killing of 200 civilians in Mosul be responded to?

The world decided after WWI that chemical warfare is done. Any country who decides otherwise should be taught a lesson. They were given their warning in 2013 and acted like they were on the same page, this time merits a response.

You can't compare it to regular collateral damage in a war zone.

 

[Rentahamster]

From what I've read and watched over the last few days, it seems most politicians and people in the defense and intelligence communities were in unison that we needed to do something.

Remembering the runup to the Iraq War, and with the military industrial complex in mind, I can't help but be suspicious.

 

[Impeccable]

Pew, pew, pew USA military stong, world see. Pew.

 

[kneePat]

Good stuff.

 

[Dark Ninja]

War


Holyfuck

 

[Boke1879]

The problem is not that the US has taken action against Syria. As somebody who was for the initial intervention into Libya to save those people from being slaughtered by their local dictator, I'm not against the idea to promote a greater peace. Hillary had a term for it: smart power. For our words as a peace keeper to mean anything, at some point they have to not just be words.

However, we have learned from Libya (and Iraq before) how this shit can spiral out of control when the Before, the During, and the After are not planned to a T. And NOBODY should have any faith in this administration to handle this appropriately.

This is a really terrifying moment, and it's going to be politicized to hell and back. Meanwhile, Trump is at Mar-a-Lago.

Especially with Syria. Way too many players involved.

 

[Tain]

watch dems act shocked and disgusted in the future when being grilled over their support of this

fuck

 

[Jenov]

If this was Hillary in office she would have done the same thing
I don't think you could sit there as the president, look at those pictures from that attack and do.............nothing.

You don't unsee stuff like that...

He hit airfields so the planes can't take off, I'm ok with that, when I first saw the thread I thought the worst and he was just throwing them around any old way.

Yeah that's a 70 million dollars worth of explosives but I mean come on....Gassing people, you don't go unpunished for gassing people, you guys want to talk about nazi level evil, thats Assad

I'm not so sure Hillary would have been in such a rush to bomb and to do it unilaterally. In Libya we made a coalition with Nato before implementing a no fly zone.

The problem is not that the US has taken action against Syria. As somebody who was for the initial intervention into Libya to save those people from being slaughtered by their local dictator, I'm not against the idea to promote a greater peace. Hillary had a term for it: smart power. For our words as a peace keeper to mean anything, at some point they have to not just be words.

However, we have learned from Libya (and Iraq before) how this shit can spiral out of control when the Before, the During, and the After are not planned to a T. And NOBODY should have any faith in this administration to handle this appropriately.

This is a really terrifying moment, and it's going to be politicized to hell and back. Meanwhile, Trump is at Mar-a-Lago.

Good post.

 

[Shake Appeal]

Yup. This looks strong and that's what feeds his base.

A lot of his alt-right base hate this (it's "neocon"/"globalist," which they loathe). r/The_Donald is in a panic right now.

 

[Bowler]

Did we go to the UN to punish them? Then no, he acted inappropriately.

The UN? Lol and wait 8 to 12 months for economic sanctions. Assad could give 2 shits about the U.N. sanctions

 

[numble]

I would also like to put in a word to remain calm and think of this in the context of the past several years. It's not like this is the first time we've bombed Syria.

How are these 70 missiles significantly different than the 12,192 from last year? Do the targets make the difference? The intent? How much does it really matter?

There were 0 Tomahawk missiles fired into Syria last year.

 

[Skatterd]

I guess we are past the proxy war now ?

"Make America ''great again!'' ...In my new America, people will die and kill for what they BELIEVE! Not for money. not for oil! Not for what they're told is right. Every man will be free to fight his own wars!"

 

[VendettaRed07]

Because it's Trump this time.

The amount of overreaction in this thread is hilarious.

Well, it isn't really overreaction. Trump is a madman. That should worry everyone. It isn't crazy to freak out about this.

But I can almost guarantee this would have happened if Hillary was currently POTUS if it sooner

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I would also like to put in a word to remain calm and think of this in the context of the past several years. It's not like this is the first time we've bombed Syria.

How are these 70 missiles significantly different than the 12,192 from last year? Do the targets make the difference? The intent? How much does it really matter?

Targeted at ISIS, vs targeted at the Syrian regime. It's night and day difference yes because the political implications are extremely large.

 

[JP_]

There's a lot of overreaction here, but there's also a lot of downplaying based on nonsense. We've been bombing ISIS in Syria. That's different than bombing Syria, a sovereign nation.

 

[NullPointer]

Because it's Trump this time.

The amount of overreaction in this thread is hilarious.

Again, while this strike in isolation makes sense it may not have been necessary had the US had a policy other than *shrug* offered up by our skeletal State department.

 

[ColdPizza]

People are letting their hatred of trump cloud their judgement.

A lot of embarrassing reactions in here.

Yup. Lots of overreactions.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

35% approval rating at the start of the week btw

Sub-20 by month's end no longer impossible

 

[guek]

People are letting their hatred of trump cloud their judgement.

A lot of embarrassing reactions in here.

The only thing that's embarrassing is the false equivalency being made for Hillary and Trump.

People aren't freaking out because we're involved in Syria. We've been involved for a long time now. People are freaking out because this is under Trump and he's a fucking moron and don't trust him to make smart choices whatsoever.

 

[ironcreed]

the fact they're still trying to deny it gives you some idea of the severity of the claim. If they actually thought "oh let's respond by using our chemical weapons" they would leave the door wide fucking open for total destruction and it would be justified.

Well, if he is crazy enough to do it before. But lets hope that this is over.

 

[NYR]

Because it's Trump this time.

The amount of overreaction in this thread is hilarious.

WRONG

You do realize the US was targeting ISIL with those PREVIOUS bombs? The US responded to the use of barred weapons and attacked Syria. A little different than attacking ISIL targets.

 

[Ac30]

No, 50 missles. If you think bombing Syria is war, we've been at war there for a few years now.

This really isn't as dramatic as everyone is making it out to be. Russia and Iran have been bombing the rebels for years now. They may bitch and moan, but aren't going to do shit.

If they're purposefully targeting government forces, isn't that an act of war? I don't remember the US directly targeting Assad before this (beyond that one accident)

 

[Maintenance]

The russians were warned beforehand, and I don't doubt they warned the syrians as well. This is probably just an empty airfield that got blasted to show his base that he's "strong".

Before reading that the russians knew about this I thought "wtf", but now I'm more like "eh, diversion".

 

[metalslimer]

People are letting their hatred of trump cloud their judgement.

A lot of embarrassing reactions in here.

Well first of all a lot of people oppose any action. Second I'm scared mainly because I don't trust this administration to handle this well. Assad needs to go for any chance at peace

 

[WonkyPanda]

A lot of his alt-right base hate this (it's "neocon"/"globalist," which they loathe). r/The_Donald is in a panic right now.

I am actually really surprised. They are really, really not liking this.

Also, something about this being a false flag or something.

 

[Chezzymann]

A lot of his alt-right base hate this (it's "neocon"/"globalist," which they loathe). r/The_Donald is in a panic right now.

Yup. this is globalism to them and they don't want the US to get involved

 

[ZOONAMI]

watch dems act shocked and disgusted in the future when being grilled over their support of this

fuck

I doubt it. It's a well measured response. That's what you'll be hearing from both sides of the isle (I'm a dem and have worked for Dems).

 

[Staccat0]

Let's hold the president to a higher standard then "oops he fucked up" because he fucked up, and is the god damn president.

For sure. Do so, but that's not what this is. We have plenty of valid ways of attacking Trump. Bringing up that tweet is not a good one, so why bother?

 

[pigeon]

I don't think it's like a wild out-there idea to say that you trust Obama or Hillary to manage a restrained and non-expansive military intervention with multilateral input and appropriate diplomatic messaging better than Donald Trump, and that that might affect your reaction to this news.

 

[jdstorm]

Welp. This is obviously a negotiating ploy aimed at strengthening the US's hard line stance on North Korea before Trump talks with China.

Trumps approach seems like it will be. "We just bombed Syria and will unleash all hell on North Korea if you dont sort this shit out"

 

[Lima]

OK, what happens afterwards? My heart's with you but my mind is filled with nope.

After that you bring freedom and democracy to Syria. You know like that's how the US rolls.

 

[TheShocker]

Good. Fuck Assad and his regime.

I distinctly remember Obama saying the "red line in the sand" with Assad and Syria would be the use of chemical weapons against its own people. This is nothing new. Obama would have done it. Clinton would have done it. I don't get what people are freaking out about.

 

[btrboyev]

I can't help but to think this is one big plan by both Putin and Trump by using Syria as a distraction.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

Probably, but what do you expect. The military has free reign on these matters I'd bet.

I certainly don't expect any better from Trump, who is about as impulsive and persuadable as anyone. I just find posts saying "Hillary said to do this" a little misinformed. Just because she advocated for attacking airfields doesn't mean that she would have done this in the same way.

 

[The Salt Life]

I'm not so sure Hillary would have been in such a rush to bomb and to do it unilaterally. In Libya we made a coalition with Nato before implementing a no fly zone.

People are getting gassed, I'm sure that changes things
There is horror and then there is unspeakable evil, and Assad is unspeakable evil to his own people.

 

[Rentahamster]

Bombing ISIS or AL-Qaeda who everyone hates vs bombing Assad (and possibly Russians since they are in Syria) who is Russia's ally is a big fucking difference.

As others have said, this is targeted at the Syrian regime, how could you possibly not see the difference?

Targeted at ISIS, vs targeted at the Syrian regime. It's night and day difference yes because the political implications are extremely large.

I see the difference. My point is, what the hell is the point of any of it? Definition of insanity, etc etc.

 

[Empty]

i think you hold your breath the moment trump starts wading deeper into international conflicts, but this specific strike seems proportionate.

 

[bonesmccoy]

The cheeto will have his war

 

[Mortemis]

I freaked out at first but it looks like it isn't as bad as I first thought.

Still, I was terrified reading the title.

 

[reckless]

So we're supposed to be highly critical of attacking a military target after the county gassed civilians...a country that is a Russian ally no less. Okay.

The possible outcomes are a hell of a lot different, no one cares if you go bomb ISIS hell it brings Russia, Syria, Iran and the US together.

It's really not that difficult to see how bombing Assad (you know Russia's ally) brings out a lot of different possible reactions.

 

[Trouble]

Because it's Trump this time.

The amount of overreaction in this thread is hilarious.

That's part of it, certainly. This is also the first time the Assad regime has been targeted directly by the U.S., which is a huge change in stance.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Here we fucking go. Fantastic.

 

[RiZ III]

Whoa. Go...Trump??

Fuck Assad it's about goddamn time America took a stand. Bomb that piece of shit regime to hell. Assad is the face of evil in the modern era. A true piece of shit.

 

[Netherscourge]

35% approval rating at the start of the week btw

Sub-20 by month's end no longer impossible

His approval rating will go UP now. So long as no American's die because of this, it may start an upswing for him.

 

[Oriel]

Putin and his paid trolls won't know how to respond now.

 

[MaxSnake1]

At last, somebody with real balls towards Assad, I hate Trump and his racist disgust me but I thank him for this strikes and I hope for more.

 

[ezrarh]

The world decided after WWI that chemical warfare is done. Any country who decides otherwise should be taught a lesson. They were given their warning in 2013 and acted like they were on the same page, this time merits a response.

You can't compare it to regular collateral damage in a war zone.

Why not? Am I missing something here? Dead people are dead people. I guess the only thing that matters to Westerners is how bad it makes you feel. Death from conventional bombing on brown people = meh.

 

[massoluk]

Yo, this means you're going to accept Syrian refugees right? You just don't drop the bomb and let other countries deal with the victims