CNBC: US military has launched more than 50 missiles aimed at Syria: NBC News

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So, Syria conveniently launches chemical attack. Russia says no to dissuade Trumo/Putin links. Trump fires missiles. Russia says chemical weapons goes too far, joins America in taking Assad out of power (maybe putting their own puppet into place using their participation in the region to strongarm the position). Russia and the US 'team up', to fight terrorism without other countries participation. Trump does away with sanctions so Russia can more effectively join the fight on terror. Putin wins.

I've got my tinfoil hat on.

And the "best" part is that Trump isn't even in on it, he's just getting fuckin played.
 
I've got my tinfoil hat on.


Eyewitness says Syrian military anticipated U.S. raid

http://abcnews.go.com/International/eyewitness-syrian-military-anticipated-us-raid/story?id=46641107

Syrian military officials appeared to anticipate Thursday's night raid on Syria's Shayrat airbase, evacuating personnel and moving equipment ahead of the strike, according to an eyewitness to the strike.

My tinfoil hat has gone to a dark place.
 
So I'm late to this news, but why is it being met with hatred? Syria used gas against its own citizens, the US military warned Russians to gtfo of the airbase, seems like, of all the possible outcomes of a strike on a foreign country, this was one of the better ones.

Tell me why I'm wrong, because with my limited amount of knowledge on the subject this doesn't seem like the worst thing ever.
 
So, Syria conveniently launches chemical attack. Russia says no to dissuade Trump/Putin links. Trump fires missiles. Russia says chemical weapons goes too far, joins America in taking Assad out of power (maybe putting their own puppet into place using their participation in the region to strongarm the position). Russia and the US 'team up', to fight terrorism without other countries participation. Trump does away with sanctions so Russia can more effectively join the fight on terror. Putin wins.

I've got my tinfoil hat on.

Trump is not going to be able just do away with sanctions, there is strong bi-partisan support to prevent him from doing that
 
So, Syria conveniently launches chemical attack. Russia says no to dissuade Trump/Putin links. Trump fires missiles. Russia says chemical weapons goes too far, joins America in taking Assad out of power (maybe putting their own puppet into place using their participation in the region to strongarm the position). Russia and the US 'team up', to fight terrorism without other countries participation. Trump does away with sanctions so Russia can more effectively join the fight on terror. Putin wins.

I've got my tinfoil hat on.

You forgot about them going to celebrate at a 50s nostalgia diner. Enter a dance competition and win a Ford Mustang.
 
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So I'm late to this news, but why is it being met with hatred? Syria used gas against its own citizens, the US military warned Russians to gtfo of the airbase, seems like, of all the possible outcomes of a strike on a foreign country, this was one of the better ones.

Tell me why I'm wrong, because with my limited amount of knowledge on the subject this doesn't seem like the worst thing ever.
There's that whole part where we aren't at war with Syria.
 
So I'm late to this news, but why is it being met with hatred? Syria used gas against its own citizens, the US military warned Russians to gtfo of the airbase, seems like, of all the possible outcomes of a strike on a foreign country, this was one of the better ones.

Tell me why I'm wrong, because with my limited amount of knowledge on the subject this doesn't seem like the worst thing ever.

Well, for one, people have been getting slaughtered there in grizzly ways for years and just now it's suddenly a major problem for people who have also said for years to stay out of it. Also bad news if we get entangled in another damn war.
 
So I'm late to this news, but why is it being met with hatred? Syria used gas against its own citizens, the US military warned Russians to gtfo of the airbase, seems like, of all the possible outcomes of a strike on a foreign country, this was one of the better ones.

Tell me why I'm wrong, because with my limited amount of knowledge on the subject this doesn't seem like the worst thing ever.

Trump has been saying for that the US should not attack Syria. Yet he is the one attacking now, tisking killing russian troops and triggering a war with Russia.
He now comes with crocodile tears saying he was moved by the video footage, but he refuses to take in refugees from that country and is now bombing it
 
Eyewitness says Syrian military anticipated U.S. raid

http://abcnews.go.com/International/eyewitness-syrian-military-anticipated-us-raid/story?id=46641107



My tinfoil hat has gone to a dark place.

Well, honestly, this is probably less conspiracy and more causality, given we know that the administration (rightfully) gave the Russians a heads up. They might have left the base, but there's no way the Russians weren't going to let the Syrians and Iranians know that a strike was coming. Determining a timeframe in which you could notify the Russians with enough lead time and leave them without enough time to warn the base's occupants would be pretty much impossible.
 
So I'm late to this news, but why is it being met with hatred? Syria used gas against its own citizens, the US military warned Russians to gtfo of the airbase, seems like, of all the possible outcomes of a strike on a foreign country, this was one of the better ones.

Tell me why I'm wrong, because with my limited amount of knowledge on the subject this doesn't seem like the worst thing ever.

Outside of progressive circles (NeoGAF) it's being met with cautious positivity. Here it's mixed because there are reasonable people who think it won't achieve any objective (which could be right), there are people who won't accept anything that Trump does as being positive (which good historical reasons), and there are people on the conspiratorial side who think it's a play to boost his poll numbers.

Personally, I'm on the cautious positive side. I think it's probably the right thing to do, but understand that there's plenty of room for mistakes.

There's also people on both sides of this who also see Trump as a fucking hypocrite

Oh, and on far right, Alt-right circles they fucking hate it and see it was a Jewish NeoCon Kushner conspiracy to brainwash The Donald. Another reason why I'm cautiously positive.
 
I wonder what Xi thinks about all this. The US did the attack right during his visit.

Could have several implications:

1. Trump shows Xi that the US are not afraid of using weapons (look at NK, Xi)
2. Maybe Mr. Master Negotioator knew that he won't have a lot of success during the talks with Xi.
3. I can see the Chinese being angry about the timing, since they planned to go to the USA as a big time player on the global stage. Now, with the attack, I doubt that many people still pay a lot of attention to the meetings outcome (especially the average joes). Must be a huge blow to Chinas ambition to be regarded as a major force.
 
Trump is not going to be able just do away with sanctions, there is strong bi-partisan support to prevent him from doing that

But implied terrorism!

I will never underestimate what the republican base is willing to do due to fears of terrorism, or as I like to call it, the brown boogeyman. I mean, a large portion of them suddenly fell in love with Putin of all people because he helped Trump.
 
So, Syria conveniently launches chemical attack. Russia says no to dissuade Trump/Putin links. Trump fires missiles. Russia says chemical weapons goes too far, joins America in taking Assad out of power (maybe putting their own puppet into place using their participation in the region to strongarm the position). Russia and the US 'team up', to fight terrorism without other countries participation. Trump does away with sanctions so Russia can more effectively join the fight on terror. Putin wins.

I've got my tinfoil hat on.

And theyre selling sex slaves out of a pizza shop!

I mean if you think about it the sandy hook parents might have been actors -> gun control legislation -> martial law -> new world order run by vampire pedophiles gg


Orrrr Assad used chemical weapons on civilians and children and needs to be stopped and not everything has to do with trump x putin conspiring (other than the usual geopolitical everything kind of having to do with US v Russia)
 
Outside of progressive circles (NeoGAF) it's being met with cautious positivity. Here it's mixed because there are reasonable people who think it won't achieve any objective (which could be right), there are people who won't accept anything that Trump does as being positive (which good historical reasons), and there are people on the conspiratorial side who think it's a play to boost his poll numbers.

Personally, I'm on the cautious positive side. I think it's probably the right thing to do, but understand that there's plenty of room for mistakes.

There's also people on both sides of this who also see Trump as a fucking hypocrite.

#trumpocrite

Can you link me where Trump changed his stance on taking Syrian refugees? I seem to have missed that.
 

according to the key the area of the chemical attack is Al-Nusra(Al-Qaeda) territory, nice of them to let in that Guardian reporter Kareem Shaheen and those guys from the syrian institute of justice, I guess they arent that bad after all.

Also this

"IS is attacking the Syrian Army at the 24th crossroad near Furqlus"

So ISIS has began an offensive nearby the airbase that the US bombed
 
And theyre selling sex slaves out of a pizza shop!

I mean if you think about it the sandy hook parents might have been actors -> gun control legislation -> martial law -> new world order run by vampire pedophiles gg

I did put tinfoil hat for a reason, you know. I don't actually believe anything without proof, even the Trump/Putin shit (no matter how likely).
 
I wonder what Xi thinks about all this. The US did the attack right during his visit.

Could have several implications:

1. Trump shows Xi that the US are not afraid of using weapons (look at NK, Xi)
2. Maybe Mr. Master Negotioator knew that he won't have a lot of success during the talks with Xi.
3. I can see the Chinese being angry about the timing, since they planned to go to the USA as a big time player on the global stage. Now, with the attack, I doubt that many people still pay a lot of attention to the meetings outcome (especially the average joes). Must be a huge blow to Chinas ambition to be regarded as a major force.

China is a major force regardless of a military strike to Syria......
 
Before posting, remind yourself that the person you're talking to is not your enemy. It'll help prevent talking like an argumentative dick for no reason.

1) actions against Assad performed in 2013 or 2014 were in a different world than actions today. I'd imagine Assad thought that he could act with impunity given Trump's cozy relationship with Russia, Trump's fecklessness, and the incorrect perception from the West that the Syrian military surrendered their chemical weapons.

2) I don't think it's wrong to try to minimize human casualties, especially when they're human casualties from a county other than the one you're primarily targeting. Notifying the Russians that the base was going to be attacked is not only the right thing to do, but it's probably also a requirement for the rules of engagement in Syria which the US, NATO, and Russia are supposed to be following.

Will it bring home a message? I don't know, and neither do you. I think it probably brings home a clearer message than doing nothing, and it's a more measured strike than a random strike somewhere else in Syria.

But #3, you don't have to be a dick.

$100mil in ordinance to send the message that 'America is peeved, so don't gas people, but if you do, make sure to launch the attack from a base with a rump Russian force.'

I still don't see how this materially changes Assad or his allies' calculus WRT future use of chemical weapons.

I guess I'm just an all-purpose dick, because I wasn't trying to be one with that question. But I apologize for coming across as one.
 
Well, honestly, this is probably less conspiracy and more causality, given we know that the administration (rightfully) gave the Russians a heads up. They might have left the base, but there's no way the Russians weren't going to let the Syrians and Iranians know that a strike was coming. Determining a timeframe in which you could notify the Russians with enough lead time and leave them without enough time to warn the base's occupants would be pretty much impossible.

No, my tinfoil is darker.

But I am going to get some sleep and let things develop further before theorize.
 
FWIW Assad probably never would have used gas this week if Hillary were president because he would have been dealing with a known quantity instead of Trump who will always be trying to figure out what he is.

Here's the bottom line IMO.

1) Assad still has his chemical weapons.
2) The Russians bugged out after we called them.
3) The Syrians probably did too, largely.

So this attack probably accomplished nothing other than distraction and re-framing.

This will be used to claim that Trump isn't a puppet as #russiagate proceeds.
 
Well, honestly, this is probably less conspiracy and more causality, given we know that the administration (rightfully) gave the Russians a heads up. They might have left the base, but there's no way the Russians weren't going to let the Syrians and Iranians know that a strike was coming. Determining a timeframe in which you could notify the Russians with enough lead time and leave them without enough time to warn the base's occupants would be pretty much impossible.

I'm sure that even if you don't speak Russian just seeing the Russians scrambling to get the fuck out of a safe base isn't hard to decipher that you better start getting out yourself. That and they broadcast their plans all over the internet throughout the day anyway. They gave plenty of heads up.
 
FWIW Assad probably never would have used gas this week if Hillary were president because he would have been dealing with a known quantity instead of Trump who will always be trying to figure out what he is.

Here's the bottom line IMO.

1) Assad still has his chemical weapons.
2) The Russians bugged out after we called them.
3) The Syrians probably did too, largely.

So this attack probably accomplished nothing other than distraction and re-framing.

This will be used to claim that Trump isn't a puppet as #russiagate proceeds.

We targeted military equipment


*sigh*

Jesus. Obvious distraction tactic is obvious.

The number of people who think the "syria situation" is all just a big distraction or political setpiece that stems back to trump and russia scandal is a little bit offensive? Children died because of Assad.
 
Not much to say from Russia. Certainly no "fire will reign from the heavens"
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-39521332
Thursday's strike by the US could undermine the fight against terrorism, said Viktor Ozerov, the head of the defence and security committee at the Russian upper house of parliament.

He said Russia would call for an urgent meeting of the UN Security Council in response, Russia's state news agency RIA reported.

"This could be viewed as an act of aggression of the US against a UN nation," he said, according to the RIA report.

The Pentagon said Russian officials were warned in advance of the strike via a special conflict hotline.
 
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