CNBC: US military has launched more than 50 missiles aimed at Syria: NBC News
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ryutaro's mama
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Children have been dying long before chemical weapons were used. Trump's little "warn em before I bomb em" is not tough or brave.
Tough and brave is telling his party, "Fuck you, we are admitting refugees. I don't care how this shakes out, politically."
That shit ain't happening because this "stance" was for show.
Beer Monkey
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Of course. But it doesn't materially reduce Assad's strength.
SO MANY children died because of Assad before now.
The end result is distraction is undeniable and Assad losing virtually zero power is undeniable.
This isn't tinfoil hat shit, this is just measuring the outcome of what happened today.
If we take further action then the outcome will be different. So far we haven't done anything but bomb a secondary airstrip after giving advance notice, which isn't shit.
And those children likely wouldn't have died if Trump didn't ban refugees from coming over.
EDIT: Also what Ryutaro's Mama said.
neurosisxeno
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The easier response is to point out if the State Department under Trump hadn't basically said they had no interest in holding Assad accountable he probably wouldn't have used chemical weapons the next day.
Children have been dying because of Assad for quite a long time now, and somehow Trump never gave a shit about them and said the US should stay out. He does not give a single shit about any human lives in Syria, children or otherwise.
Would be nice if you took in more than the ridiculous tiny amount you did before, since, ya know, the US fucking shit up is a pretty large portion of the fault of the current situation and all that.
Were we supposed to evacuate the whole Syrian population into America?
No, only the people who need help. Like little children.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
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Assad has been brutally killing children for years. Assad and Russia JUST massacred an entire city full of people.
Electric Eye
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He didn't give a shit about it before and had no plans to intervene in fact that's what encouraged Assad to do whatever the fuck he wanted. The situation hasn't changed since Obama its the same conflict the same actors except now because Trump miraculously grew a heart on the night before christmas because he saw awful pictures on his TV while watching the news and had a change of heart that its not political at all? Give me break yeah this has had a long time coming but lets not kid ourselves that it doesn't also serve a politically convenient distraction. Its not a sin to believe this as its not the first time its happened, politics is nasty like that.
MisterFalcon
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Apparently the Earth has been reduced to Syria and America.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Man AL Assad regime and their supporters are speechless. I don't think they factored in someone finally standing against their ongoing killing machine.
ryutaro's mama
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Were you supposed you exaggerate for no good reason?
Refugee relief isn't about "evacuating the whole population".
Like ever.
King Tubby
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Is the US going to commit unilateral military strikes against every country that murders children? That's a long list.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Nah I just meant I jumped the gun discussing it before someone had posted it.
Thats why I call bullshit. Atrocities are happening elsewhere and this particular one provokes a strike?
Come on now theres hyperbole on both sides.. So I guess these children were denied entry to every other european or middle eastern country and their only hope was to come to the US?
Based on what we know about him, Trump wouldn't really care about any of that.
Openly racist, xenophobic, power hungry and all ego. Certainly doesn't give a shit about refugees from the fallout of events like this. So I would definitely lean more towards him looking to start a war for less than altruistic reasons and not being able handle it in a way that won't still fuck them and the region for decades to come.
Chubzdoomer
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It's interesting how so many people are pointing fingers at Trump, when Hillary blatantly stated prior to the attack that she wanted us to strike the exact same airfields.
400,000 people have died in this civil war. It is by far the largest humanitarian crisis in the last 10+ years.
You can separate your anger at the GOPs hypocricy from sympathizing with the syrians can you not? Who said Trump was brave and tough? Children dying for a long time means we shouldnt intervene? And honestly I think the idea that this whole thing is Trump trying to get higher poll numbers is just as ridiculous as when he said it about Obama. This doesnt have to be a GOP said this or that issue, you can be mad about that separately without reducing the deaths of these children and our response to trump working up a political distraction. Even Hillary supported the strike.
FlutterPuffs
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Well...
I won't be surprised if the strike was rushed through than went to Congress as a big distraction and also to boost up Trumps ratings.
cartoon_soldier
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Good. Swift action, Russia informed beforehand.
Bam Bam Baklava
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We're like 4 hours removed from this action and people are in here back patting and high fiving like it's game over. You'd think 16 years of quagmire would teach people to be a little more cautious before hanging up the mission accomplished banners. This is not some kind of indictment of anything either, just a sobering reminder that the reality of the situation is not going anywhere.
SRTtoZ
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Yep.
Tranqueris
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If this is what happened then we'll probably know soon enough considering what a leaky boat the White House is now.
I am not arguing that and you know it. An attack that Syria was likely aware of beforehand does not sit well with me.
2Smashed4U
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Did a double take on the time stamp for that
Dubbedinenglish
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So catching up:
Airfield was on previous admin's plans in case of action.
Russia warned far ahead of strike
Russians evacuated, so safe to say Assad's people too
Strikes did not target Russian targets
So far zero casualties as a result.
Soo it seems like this was pointless if he gave Assad/Putin a chance to evac their people and stuff.
Airfield was on previous admin's plans in case of action.
Russia warned far ahead of strike
Russians evacuated, so safe to say Assad's people too
Strikes did not target Russian targets
So far zero casualties as a result.
Soo it seems like this was pointless if he gave Assad/Putin a chance to evac their people and stuff.
FlutterPuffs
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Yeah.
Then again THAT could work to Trump's favor since the chemical attack does warrant a strike.
I have wanted US to interfere on Syria since Obama by the way. Just not in this way with this president.
I'm not justifying the strike either, but it seems like you are minimizing what is happening in Syria by comparing it to human rights issues elsewhere that pale in comparison.
DXB-KNIGHT
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The problem is far from resolved but the regime tone I'm the negotiations will surely change.
the_sun_king
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I understand how one can construe this line of thinking as that. What has been going on in Syria for years is all kinds of terrible; there's no arguing against Assad's tyranny.
My post was coming from my perspective as an American citizen and the state of the current administration and the timing of this event. Through that specific lens, this move is purely 100% political.
DR2K
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Well we did destabilize just about anything we touched in the Middle East.
ryutaro's mama
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There are several places in the world where children are slaughtered without mercy or care. This dude was aware that children were being affected in Syria long before the chemical weapons were deployed. He would know this if he attended the Intel briefings or paid attention to what Obama was trying to do in 2012 rather than try trolling him him on fucking Twitter.
Up until the chemicals, children were getting slaughtered in Syria. Until last night, Trump's SoS was taking a hands off approach to Syria, knowing about the chemical weapons used. Trump pulled a 180 in a 48 hour period, suddenly caring about the welfare of children that he tried twice to keep out of our country.
Fuck him and his fake ass tears.
I'm not falling for the okie doke, no matter how much you want me to.
And is Hillary supporting the strike supposed to mean something to me?
FlutterPuffs
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If US plays this right it's a good call.
- A missile strike to warn Syria to cut the bullshit.
- proceed with NATO inspections to build up a case to charge Assad as a war criminal.
Unfortunately I think it will just end with this strike.
Laughing Banana
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What would many of you have preferred Trump to do in response of Assad's actions?
Yes Obama and Hillary would have likely done the same thing and yes people may have not panicked as much because they would most probably handle it with more measured tact and sense.
But they are not President, Trump is, and what would have been a preferred response from him to Assad's attacks, considering from what I have read in this thread many seem to condemn him doing this?
Yes Obama and Hillary would have likely done the same thing and yes people may have not panicked as much because they would most probably handle it with more measured tact and sense.
But they are not President, Trump is, and what would have been a preferred response from him to Assad's attacks, considering from what I have read in this thread many seem to condemn him doing this?
R10Neymarfan
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It's the same man that killed a US solider then used the windowed wife as a prop to enhance his speech and a standing ovation. Those kids were just an opportunity to him. He doesn't give a fuck about those kids.
benjipwns
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And then he wouldn't have seen the pictures which made him sad, jeez, he can't win with you guys!
Bam Bam Baklava
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And what negotiation is that? There's no compromise that will end the conflict given how deep the players are, Assad has to be willing to completely step down.
Beer Monkey
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Television optics of this week's gas strike plus 35% approval rating plus turnmoil in the cabinet plus failing again at healthcare etc. plus #russiagate (including Nunes being investigated). Pressure to DO SOMETHING.
(But do something that doesn't piss off Putin or create a quagmire)
This is not a conspiracy theory. It's politics to those who aren't naive.
I laughed. In a sad way.
Well I'm just talking about the US right now. I mean, we could have done a lot more to help. Instead we just banned 7 countries outright. Thankfully it got overturned but then he tried again. He's only been helping to instill fear in people. He's been doing a lot of things that hurt people.
Setzer
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If US plays this right it's a good call.
- A missile strike to warn Syria to cut the bullshit.
- proceed with NATO inspections to build up a case to charge Assad as a war criminal.
Unfortunately I think it will just end with this strike.
If it is true that this has been in planning stages since Obama, no.
This is likely the kickoff of a coordinated military effort to take out Assad.
Will start with taking out all their air power. Then will hit other known military installations. Then boots on the ground to either take out Assad or force him into hiding. Then install some sort of moderate regime. Plan elections.
Then ISIL will fuck with all your plans and it's Iraq 3.0 quagmire.
Electric Eye
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Exactly, where were all these assholes the first time Assad gassed children ? Oh right look up their fucking twitter histories like everyone else has, the lambasted Obama over the red line and whent on TV to decry this as a distraction and that he would have to ask for congressional authority blah, blah. Spare us the bullshit.
Maybe people are sick of the USA playing World Police?
Well think of it this way. All Trump has done is tell Assad that he can kill his people any way he wants, just don't do it with chemical weapons. That might make it more difficult for Assad to achieve his goals but it doesn't really do anything to stop him. If reports of forewarning are true, it didn't even strip him his chemical weaponry. Saying he can't use chemical weapons is an important message to give, but the hypocrisy of simultaneously doing nothing for refugees can't be ignored. So on the face of it, this is a lateral move by Trump. A good one for him, sure, I can't discount him that, but he spent a lot of money to say nothing more than "don't make me interfere again." There's more than a slim chance Obama or Hillary would have done the same thing though, to be honest.
There's still the possibility this was planned in conjunction with either Assad or Russia in some way too. We've no proof of that of course, only our gut feelings and tin foil hats. Politics has become such a madhouse that I have a hard time judging what is or isn't possible now.
DontBeThatGuy
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Where's the hyperbole exactly? Syrian refugees aren't being let in, which a 180 shift from the previous admin, That's a fact. Refugees in general are being ignored, even as the Trump admin drop bombs killing 200 civilians in one go. The US should be doing so much more, instead of implementing completely regressive policies. It's malicious, it's a joke.
FlutterPuffs
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Yep. Let's not forget the 180 turn Trump did over the issue. We know enough that he wasn't keeping this close to the chest, while planning the strike beforehand.
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