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[Joel Was Right]

I really hope this doesn't escalate - if a US plane gets shot down by a Russian surface-to-air station, and the pilot captured by Daesh, this is going to spiral out of control.

 

[jellies_two]

it seems that they also moved some aircrafts onto the field.

Which would be expected if you tell their BFF about it first. And even more expected if this whole thing is a pantomime.

Ah fuck it. Trump is disgusting. not so much for his character but what he has done to politics and trust in the office of US president. It's gone, until he is gone.

 

[spineduke]

Russian state TV reports 9 planes destroyed, but the runway is intact.

 

[TheContact]

Are we seriously condemning chemical weapons attacks but then saying convention bombing attacks are "Ok"?

Uh yes ever since ww1 ended this is the popular belief for 99.99% of the population. You excluded apparently.

 

[elrechazado]

Are you suggesting the end result (death) is different between conventional and chemical weapons? Are you trying to push for an exceptionalism here to feel good about killing done by the other side?

Do you find it hypocritical chemical and biological weapon use being banned by numerous international agreements for almost a century?

 

[MikeHaggar]

I can't help but to wonder if this whole thing was premeditated by Russia and Trump inner-circle to create the illusion of conflict between Russia/Putin and Trump...

 

[Real Hero]

I can't help but to wonder if this whole thing was premeditated by Russia and Trump inner-circle to create the illusion of conflict between Russia/Putin and Trump...

Congrats you now know what being Alex jones is like

 

[pa22word]

It's telling that even in the darkest days of WW2 and during the bitter fight between countries like Germany and Russia, not a single chemical weapon was used.

Can't believe people are having to be educated on why the use of chemical weapons is so heinous.

Not even the Japanese or chaing kai-shek resorted to them either, and the sheer savagery of the fighting on the Chinese mainland during SJW2/WW2 is the stuff directly out of horror movies. Spine chilling stuff. The unflinching brutality of the encirclement campaigns alone is enough to make a person turn white reading through it all.

 

[toddhunter]

I can't help but to wonder if this whole thing was premeditated by Russia and Trump inner-circle to create the illusion of conflict between Russia/Putin and Trump...

Either Putin and Trump are colluding and this is a despicable act and will finally lead to the takedown of the US government.

OR

Putin and Trump are not colluding in anyway, which means Trump might have just royally pissed them off and may have started a sequence of events that could lead to millions and millions of people getting killed.

Well voted America. Well voted.

 

[danowat]

Not going to trawl through 43 pages, so......

Have the tweets from Trump denouncing any action against Syria in 2013 been posted?

 

[whytemyke]

It's telling that even in the darkest days of WW2 and during the bitter fight between countries like Germany and Russia, not a single chemical weapon was used.

Can't believe people are having to be educated on why the use of chemical weapons is so heinous.

That's what happens when you have generations of people who have no clue what WW1 was like.

 

[greycolumbus]

Not going to trawl through 43 pages, so......

Have the tweets from Trump denouncing any action against Syria in 2013 been posted?

Naturally.

 

[danowat]

Naturally.

And they are definitely genuine?

 

[Mr. Giggles]

Not going to trawl through 43 pages, so......

Have the tweets from Trump denouncing any action against Syria in 2013 been posted?

You know the answer to this.

Google it ffs

 

[Joni]

I don't think anyone is arguing or downplaying the effects of chemical weapons. Ultimately though one group of victims is being valued while the other one is devalued. You didn't see an international outrage over the high death toll from the western coalition in Iraq/Syria the past few months and even worse Yemen with regard to SA/UAE/US/UK (and other countries at a lesser level). In

My own country has been debating the rumor that our fighter jets were involved with a recent bombing with civilian casualties for a week now.

 

[danowat]

You know the answer to this.

Google it ffs

I meant been posted in this thread, chill.

 

[TheContact]

That's what happens when you have generations of people who have no clue what WW1 was like.

People need to listen to Dan Carlins Hardcore History podcast specifically his ww1 episodes. They go into gruesome detail with first hand accounts of the atrocities of war--the gas included. It was fucking horrifying to listen to, never mind actually being there.

 

[spineduke]

I don't think anyone is arguing or downplaying the effects of chemical weapons. Ultimately though one group of victims is being valued while the other one is devalued. You didn't see an international outrage over the high death toll from the western coalition in Iraq/Syria the past few months and even worse Yemen with regard to SA/UAE/US/UK (and other countries at a lesser level). In the end it's as you say, people further their own agenda(like now while there's still an investigation going on) which ultimately doesn't help those who are dead or the ppl related to them. Just like the mass family burial in Mosul no ones gonna give shit about the victims of this attack. The only difference is that killing done by the "bad side" from a western perspective gets condemned and that people are pointing out that the hypocrisy stinks. Not that conventional weapons are better or worse at killing than chemical weapons

You cannot imagine how hopeless my Syrian friends feel. They have zero trust in the community, as the double standards and huge indifference (Ghouta) have just destroyed their hopes. The international reaction to chemical weapons is much more reactive not because people died... But because such weapons were used. Letting it slide means implicit approval that such weapons are permissible on the field. As sad as this is to say it, it's not about the Syrian people, but about what sort of weaponry is being used.

 

[JuanLatino]

It's telling that even in the darkest days of WW2 and during the bitter fight between countries like Germany and Russia, not a single chemical weapon was used.

Can't believe people are having to be educated on why the use of chemical weapons is so heinous.

So what does that make USA look like then given their use of chemical weapons in Vietnam or how they helped out Iraq with chemical weapons?

as if they really cares about the casualties of the syrian war -

 

[jellies_two]

I can't help but to wonder if this whole thing was premeditated by Russia and Trump inner-circle to create the illusion of conflict between Russia/Putin and Trump...

Lots of non Alex Jones types think the same thing.
Given the characters of the men involved, the high stakes, and the fact the CIA has evidence of coordination, it is quite sane to put this explanation on a list of possible ones. More so, I think, the more we see of the muted Russian reaction and rather underwhelming damage seen.

 

[jellies_two]

WTH??? That cant be correct.

Why can't it be correct
I see a bomb crater in front of one of fhose bunkers
What did you expect to see? They are cruise missiles not bunker busters and runway destroyers.
Btw that is the airbase. As per satellite maps.
Only possibility is old drone footage...

 

[Audioboxer]

Congrats you now know what being Alex jones is like

One of the most surprising things about waking up to this news was seeing the amount of Trump supporters tear their own minds out. Either conspiracy theory garbage, false flags or just a complete lack of nuance.

Sure this is America, fuck yeah! And Trump is up top, but even Clinton, let alone the EU leaders from my first post, are behind some sort of response to Assad/Chemical Weapons. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess like a few posters in here some just do not understand the politics behind chemical weapons, a global wish to see them never used and also a call for nations to actively attempt to engage in preventing/dismantling/stopping any nations using them.

A horrific chemical weapons attack on civilians struck Khan Sheikhun on 4 April. Last night, in response, the US launched airstrikes on Shayrat airfield.

The US has informed the EU that these strikes were limited and seek to deter further chemical weapons atrocities.

President Juncker has been unequivocal in his condemnation of the use of chemical weapons.

The repeated use of such weapons must be answered. He understands efforts to deter further attacks. There is a clear distinction between airstrikes on military targets and the use of chemical weapons against civilians.

Efforts to stem the spiral of violence in Syria and work towards a lasting peace should be redoubled. Only a political transition can lead to such an outcome. President Juncker and the European commission as a whole stand ready to play their part in full.

Hillary Clinton called for the US to take out Syrian government-controlled airfields just hours before Donald Trump launched airstrikes against Bashar al-Assad's regime, PA reports.

Speaking in her first public interview since losing the US election in November last year, Clinton said Assad's aerial power had been the key component behind widespread civilian deaths since the start of the civil war in 2011.

President Trump authorised the launch of cruise missiles in the early hours of Friday morning on a Syrian airbase thought to be behind this week's chemical weapons attack.

Speaking to the New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, Clinton said she believed the US had been wrong not to have previously launched such an offensive.

She said: "Assad had an air force, and that air force is the cause of most of the civilian deaths, as we have seen over the years and as we saw again in the last few days.

"And I really believe that we should have and still should take out his airfields and prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people and drop Sarin gas on them."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...ria-response-donald-trump-assad-pentagon-live

Yeah, we can all look back to 2013, but the point here is he's done it AGAIN. Trump(s) administration deserves shit for the immigration bans/handling of refugees, this, far more debatable given Assad has used chemical weapons previously.

 

[elrechazado]

So what does that make USA look like then given their use of chemical weapons in Vietnam or how they helped out Iraq with chemical weapons?

as if they really cares about the casualties of the syrian war -

Which chemical weapons did they use in Vietnam?

 

[TheContact]

Op article says no people targeting but this says 7 Syrian soldiers died

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5389043429001/?#sp=show-clips

Which chemical weapons did they use in Vietnam?

Agent orange homie

 

[CHC]

Still not 100% sure about my feelings on this.

But the Breitbart comments section is delicious right now.

 

[spineduke]

The problem for Assad is that his airpower (and Russian) was the major thing that kept him alive. A no fly zone would be his death sentence.

 

[JuanLatino]

Which chemical weapons did they use in Vietnam?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/29/usa.adrianlevy

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

It's the right thing to do, but the unpredictability of it all is extremely unnerving.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

Which chemical weapons did they use in Vietnam?

He's referring to Agent Orange, I'd assume. It affected the health of a lot of people but that wasn't strictly the intention and to compare it to the chemical weapons used in WW1 and Syria its a bit of a stretch (as much as the US were negligent in caring about the long term effects of AO).

 

[TheContact]

Some other aftermath footage

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5389264644001/?#sp=show-clips

 

[forgeforsaken]

Op article says no people targeting but this says 7 Syrian soldiers died

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5389043429001/?#sp=show-clips




Agent orange homie

That's a bit different as it's a defoliant.

 

[ebullientprism]

I feel gutted for the people of Syria. Its bad enough you got fucking psychos on the ground in your own country. Worse when powerful nations use your country as a scale in a penis measuring competition.

 

[OfficerRaichu15]

For once Trump did the right thing.
Assad needs to be pulled out of power and be forced to stop harming many people with war crimes.
Even if you hate Trump the only thing you can be afraid of through this is unpredictability.

 

[TheContact]

I feel gutted for the people of Syria. Its bad enough you got fucking psychos on the ground in your own country. Worse when powerful nations use your country as a scale in a penis measuring competition.

I just recommended people listen to hardcore history and that's your avatar =O

 

[Kensation]

So, now Russia will just boost Assad's air defenses, which will allow him to keep doing what he's been doing.
What did this really solve?

 

[SomTervo]

I don't think anyone is arguing or downplaying the effects of chemical weapons. Ultimately though one group of victims is being valued while the other one is devalued. You didn't see an international outrage over the high death toll from the western coalition in Iraq/Syria the past few months and even worse Yemen with regard to SA/UAE/US/UK (and other countries at a lesser level). In the end it's as you say, people further their own agenda(like now while there's still an investigation going on) which ultimately doesn't help those who are dead or the ppl related to them. Just like the mass family burial in Mosul no ones gonna give shit about the victims of this attack. The only difference is that killing done by the "bad side" from a western perspective gets condemned and that people are pointing out that the hypocrisy stinks. Not that conventional weapons are better or worse at killing than chemical weapons

You're not wrong re devalueing, but that's not relevant to the chemical/conventional weapons argument. Don't say chemical weapons are as bad as conventional weapons. They are worse.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Whelp

 

[| Praxis |]

So what does that make USA look like then given their use of chemical weapons in Vietnam or how they helped out Iraq with chemical weapons?

as if they really cares about the casualties of the syrian war -

It makes them look historically terrible, as well as the UK who also used it. Thankfully time has moved on, these are different governments now. You'd have a point if we used agent orange recently.

 

[elrechazado]

Op article says no people targeting but this says 7 Syrian soldiers died

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5389043429001/?#sp=show-clips




Agent orange homie

OK, that's nice except agent Orange is not a chemical weapons. It's a defoliant that later was revealed to have some bad side effects. Complain about mass defoliant use if youd like, and nobody can argue, but if they had been dusting with round up, and that turned out to have a carcinogenic side effect, that wouldn't make Roundup a chemical weapons either. Sarin, mustard gas, etc are anti personnel chemical weapons banned for decades under international convention because they are used to kill and kill horribly. Agent Orange comparisons to that are disingenuous and embarrassing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/29/usa.adrianlevy

Agent Orange was bad. So is DDT, coal slag, and on and on. They aren't chemical weapons.

 

[Can Crusher]

Nobody thinks it's weird how Assad uses chemicals now, after the previous backlash, in a seemingly random attack, and the U.S bombs the fuck out of that ass just like that.

It all feels a bit.... planned. I don't ride conspiracy theories fyi.

 

[jakonovski]

WTH??? That cant be correct.

Trump likely ordered the strike literally with no regard to any consideration save his own ego.

 

[TheContact]

OK, that's nice except agent Orange is not a chemical weapons. It's a defoliant that later was revealed to have some bad side effects. Complain about mass defoliant use if youd like, and nobody can argue, but if they had been dusting with round up, and that turned out to have a carcinogenic side effect, that wouldn't make Roundup a chemical weapons either. Sarin, mustard gas, etc are anti personnel chemical weapons banned for decades under international convention because they are used to kill and kill horribly. Agent Orange comparisons to that are disingenuous and embarrassing.

Yea I agree. Different things, and the intention wasn't to decimate an entire people it was to clear out the trees which they hid in so well. But millions of people were affected by it. But I understand it's no where near the levels of chemical weapons

 

[SomTervo]

He's referring to Agent Orange, I'd assume. It affected the health of a lot of people but that wasn't strictly the intention and to compare it to the chemical weapons used in WW1 and Syria its a bit of a stretch (as much as the US were negligent in caring about the long term effects of AO).

Um. You're downplaying this. Agent Orange was a legit chemical weapon that was deployed by the US, regardless of 'intention', which is a problematic thing to say anyway.

"New scientific research confirms what the Vietnamese have been claiming for years. It also portrays the US government as one that has illicitly used weapons of mass destruction, stymied all independent efforts to assess the impact of their deployment, failed to acknowledge cold, hard evidence of maiming and slaughter, and pursued a policy of evasion and deception." From that link above.

OK, that's nice except agent Orange is not a chemical weapons. It's a defoliant that later was revealed to have some bad side effects. Complain about mass defoliant use if youd like, and nobody can argue, but if they had been dusting with round up, and that turned out to have a carcinogenic side effect, that wouldn't make Roundup a chemical weapons either. Sarin, mustard gas, etc are anti personnel chemical weapons banned for decades under international convention because they are used to kill and kill horribly. Agent Orange comparisons to that are disingenuous and embarrassing.

Agent Orange was bad. So is DDT, coal slag, and on and on. They aren't chemical weapons.

Yea I agree. Different things, and the intention wasn't to decimate an entire people it was to clear out the trees which they hid in so well. But millions of people were affected by it. But I understand it's no where near the levels of chemical weapons

So they didn't know Agent Orange would cause this damage. Basically: they didn't research it well enough before use and then fired it over land lived on by hundreds of thousands. It could be just as bad as sarin or mustard gas, but it was new, so they couldn't know! Doesn't mean Agent Orange isn't just as bad.

Agent Orange has also affected all descendants and the US denied all of it. It's just as bad, man. It's just a different sort of chemical weapon.

 

[FreedomFighter]

70 million in cruise missiles doesn't go far if this drone footage is accurate.

https://twitter.com/conflicts/status/850294919306633216

Welp.

Which chemical weapons did they use in Vietnam?

Agent orange. And more recently depleted uranium in Iraq.

Trump likely ordered the strike literally with no regard to any consideration save his own ego.

You give him too much credit. He has no idea what the hell he's doing. He's being TOLD what to do.

 

[JuanLatino]

Nobody thinks it's weird how Assad uses chemicals now, after the previous backlash, in a seemingly random attack, and the U.S bombs the fuck out of that ass just like that.

It all feels a bit.... planned. I don't ride conspiracy theories fyi.

i don't get all this conspiracy theory shit.
After all the lies of the past & false propaganda to start wars its completely legit to question the truth, especially in the case of USA.


it definetely seems weird one day before the genver conference.

 

[Violater]

Marco Rubio just used professional wrestling cage match as an analogy to solving three crisis in Syria.

 

[elrechazado]

Welp.

Agent orange. And more recently depleted uranium in Iraq.

Please stop with these disingenuous misuse of terms. Those are not chemical weapons by any accepted definition. Lest anyone accuse me of carrying water for the US, I am also not saying they are fine to use. See above on agent Orange, and depleted uranium is certainly not a chemical weapon.

 

[pa22word]

.

 

[RumblingRosco]

Here's what I am gathering so far:

1) Personnel on the base were warned ahead of time - there seems to be no deaths or injuries reports.
2) Quite a lot of the equipment was removed ahead of time due to this warning.
3) Some equipment and facilities were destroyed. It seems like ~8-12 planes and a few structures?
4) The runway seems to be intact.

My general impression is that this won't escalate. It feels like a fairly calculated give-and-take in the sense that "hey, if you use chemical weapons, we'll blow up some of your shit."

But, there's a lot coming out about this rapidly and I'm still catching up. Does my summary sound relatively on-point, or am I missing things/incorrect?

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

What we have is a reactionary, short sighted leadership in the US that is going to make the big mistakes that will lead to even bigger ones. Obama made mistakes, but he navigated the almost impossibly complex situation skillfully. This administration shows no aptitude for any of that.