Seeing pictures of war is never easy, but when you put kids in the mix... it really hits home.
I am proud of us for stepping in. Those pictures were awful.
I am proud of us for stepping in. Those pictures were awful.
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CNBC: US military has launched more than 50 missiles aimed at Syria: NBC News
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Not at all. But I like to remind people of this because of selective outrage and hiding behind whataboutism as a means to stifle criticism of our own practices. Similarly which is what happened earlier when our airstrike killed over double the amount of people who died in this chemical attack according to latest death count - no media fixation, calls for investigation, no pictures of civilians in that strike shown at the an emergency security council... No mention of Yemen.
Always need to be mindful of this duplicity. Especially when what we're being told makes no sense.
Once again Pigeon saying basically my exact sort of thoughts on this. Military force, deployed by the US and others, in Syria and elsewhere, has been various shades of ineffective and downright murderous for long before Trump. But that doesn't change the fact that the actions Assad is engaged in are monstrous.
The things we have done, and continue to do, are ineffective and horrible, which is exactly why we should stop doing them. But we also can't not do anything. To be completely inactive is frankly to be complicit.
I'm not even interested in promoting democracy. I don't care how leaders are selected. I mean, in the abstract I do but in very concrete terms right now mostly I just want the guy who's killing children out
Whataboutism absolutely has a place in geopolitics, and balancing global superpowers.
If the US plays dirty and covers up for their allies so will the Russians, it's that simple.
Oh, mine isn't a plan to stop the massacre of civilians or get Assad out of power. It's just a plan to criminalize the use of Chemical Weapons with military force. It only works if we strike when weapons are used. Whether we should expand our retaliations to include Assad bombing hospitals is a different matter entirely.
Either way, the US can effectively disable Syrian air power without setting a single foot in the country. The problem then would, of course, be Russia.
if we want to stop military forces from murdering civilians en masse, the easiest place to start would be the shit we do all the time. once we are no longer bombing hospitals and funerals we can start talking about "doing something" when other people commit atrocities, not before.
This won't end well. Yes chemical weapons are awful, but I do not trust our President to handle this in a responsible manner.
This is 2003 all over again.
I can't believe how easy it was to get everyone on the "yea bomb bomb!!" train again
see! Already blaming Iran and Russia!
This is 2003 all over again.
I can't believe how easy it was to get everyone on the "yea bomb bomb!!" train again
see! Already blaming Iran and Russia!
Apparently, the attack was totally ineffective. Only about twenty something of the missiles reached their target. Some sources say the others were shot down by Russian supplied Syrian surface-to-air missile systems. Video exists of a Russian drone surveying the airfield with many planes, runways and hardened hangars intact.
I had some pretty bad flashbacks when I read Trump's statement last night about how we have to act to make sure Assad doesn't have access to chemical weapons and also to end terrorism everywhere.
We literally already did that war and it sucked, guys.
That train's been chuggin' along for a decade. We've been bombing people nonstop. Choo choo
Did we step in? Did we really? We can only judge that by Trump's actions over the next few days. If they don't follow up on this, then all Trump did was a glorified publicity stunt. Russia will just strengthen Syria's air defenses and Assad will be even more protected as he continues to kill his own people.
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This is a bit rich coming from someone who just accused anyone supporting the fight against Assad of being IS and Al-Qaida allies.
What are you referring to specifically?
From what I've read of the timeline, Assad was making concession after concession with laws despite large protests lasting for months, when the whole thing started.
When soldiers were being killed by snipers, the army went in to fight them and had their own snipers.
It was only when a significant amount of rebels were armed and killing soldiers did the government response become more severe.
Armed terrorists with human shields.
It does. At the same time, the footage of the doctor after a shell just hit asking why the world was just sitting by and letting this happen was incredibly effective. Obviously this has been happening, and it has been a lot worse, but that very moment captured ended up being very significant. If I was in the president's shoes I may have considered taking action after specifically seeing that as well.
Quoting for a new page because I agree with these sentiments pretty exactly.
We're not the smartest country
^ This, the killing of 200 civilians by the US recently is now quickly fading, our eyes have been successfully averted
Let me be clear: think that literally anything Trump is going to do is going to be awful and ineffective and horrible and counterproductive. The man isn't smart enough and he doesn't care enough about the actual lives involved for it to be anything but. But the "lets just leave it all alone and let it sort itself out" approach isn't...acceptable to me. On a theoretical level we need to at least be able to say what we would like to do if we had the power to do so
....any evidence he got approval yet?
That was Russian propaganda. I think I saw bigfoot in that grainy drone footage.
Knowing how the US public generally responds to their military attacking someone, I expect his approval rating to go up
part of doing this is accepting the fact that the civil war dragging out is the primary cause of civil disruption and death, and that the reality of the situation is that assad is in a strong position and is likely to stay in power. start calling for regime change because of atrocities like this all you like but you need to realize that military intervention will end up killing far more people and stretching this out far longer than it would last otherwise.
There are pictures of the runway intact, a video of the Syrian minister of defense touring the base, and attack choppers using it. The base was not rendered inoperable.
I want there to be a non military solution. The inactivity of the UN here is maddening
Syrian representative " The US Air strike killed women and children "
Umm what was children and women doing in the airbase?
So what I undeunderstood is that US, some EU countries, Turkey, Saudia Arabia, Qatar, Tel Aviv and ISIS are targeting Syria as a whole
US, France and UK created Wahabism and created Saudia Arabia to fulfill their imperialistic trio agenda
Umm what was children and women doing in the airbase?
So what I undeunderstood is that US, some EU countries, Turkey, Saudia Arabia, Qatar, Tel Aviv and ISIS are targeting Syria as a whole
US, France and UK created Wahabism and created Saudia Arabia to fulfill their imperialistic trio agenda
They sure were. What about this? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-deaths-syria-iraq-middle-east-a7649486.html
Chances are he was referring to Mosul.
I'll take the US position seriously when they take action against Saudi Arabia for using chlorine gas and Israel for using white phosphorus in densely populated urban areas.
While.they're at it, they can clarify why they killed 200 civilians less than 2 weeks ago in Mosul.
While.they're at it, they can clarify why they killed 200 civilians less than 2 weeks ago in Mosul.
Family members of soldiers live on US airbases all around the world. It's not rare or uncommon whatsoever.
what is the UN going to do right now? russia and the US both have veto power on the security council and currently have contradictory objectives. we won't accept a solution with assad, russia won't accept one without him.
and frankly all of the russian hysteria that's been worked up among the american political and media class means that trump is going to get battered if he ever does anything that people think putin might like, while on the other hand he's getting blowjobs from basically everyone after some bombing. what kind of lesson do you think he's going to learn from that?
And if reports about some Tomahawks flying who knows fuck where hold any water it's possible there was civilian casualties from missile strike.
Cruise missiles aren't designed to take out runways, they were going for the planes and fuel I'm sure. But the idea that only 20 made it through was totally false and just russian propaganda.
He will ignore this, along with the rest who suddenly pop up only when something isn't going terribly.
So proud!
So the Russian representative asked them not to insult Russia.
There is no 'hard' evidence they did do it, and I'm not saying they didn't, but before you make the situation worse (looking at you alternative facts Trump) make sure you have your overwhelming evidence and not just hunches by the media and vested interests
I thought they issued a joint statement with Germany?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39526089
French Presidential Nominee Le Pen was one condemning strike.
huh, the tin foil hat theory might not be so tin foil hat afterall?
It's in the other sides benefit to make everyone think he did as well.
Based on what? The Russians presented their proof, the US has yet to show 56 Tomahawks hitting their targets.
Trump administration this past morning.
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/850178642982338560
Also Trump administration just now.
https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/850401846065844224
https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/850178642982338560
Also Trump administration just now.
https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/850401846065844224
A mess.
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