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Theresa May Statement: June 8th General Election requested
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Thornton Reed
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I live in a labour safe seat I'm not voting labour in this election they can fuck right off
Edit: I've voted labour all my life
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Deleted member 231381
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If the Conservatives win 100 new seats, that implies 100 new candidates, that reflect the current attitudes of the Conservative membership who select them, rather than the attitude of the Conservative membership of the past. Do you think they are more likely to be pro- or anti-Brexit?
I think quite the opposite of this Reddit post. I think that the new Conservative majority will be much more hardline than Cameron's 'cuddly Conservatives', and that May is moving as she does to sideline soft-Brexit Conservatives like Morgan and Osborne.
OverBlood 3
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I can't understand why anyone would vote Lib Dem. The leader is a homophobic moron.
He refused to say if gay sex was a sin
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...voids-saying-whether-he-sees-gay-sex-as-a-sin
Likened homosexuality to frogs and fish then lied that he'd been hacked.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tim-farron-apologises-tweet-account-6132431
He's also said the past that 'abortion is wrong' and that society has to change their view that there's nothing wrong with it, I'm paraphrasing.
He's also said he wouldn't rule out going into another Tory coalition. That's hardly an opposition.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/23/tim-farron-lib-dems-coalition-tories-clegg
He refused to say if gay sex was a sin
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...voids-saying-whether-he-sees-gay-sex-as-a-sin
Likened homosexuality to frogs and fish then lied that he'd been hacked.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tim-farron-apologises-tweet-account-6132431
He's also said the past that 'abortion is wrong' and that society has to change their view that there's nothing wrong with it, I'm paraphrasing.
He's also said he wouldn't rule out going into another Tory coalition. That's hardly an opposition.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/23/tim-farron-lib-dems-coalition-tories-clegg
From the Guardian's rolling coverage.
Wow, Govey Gove face. The bolded, that right there is the contempt the Tories have for Scotland as a whole. Who we elect are nothing more than hooligans, a spanner in the works for their rule. FUCK THEM.
Scotland will be independent soon enough at this rate.
Thornton Reed
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He is a fundamentalist Christian I would rather give me vote to the bloody tories
Uh no.
If you absolutely want Tories to lose influence then you are going to put a tactical vote to whoever is polling right behind Tories in your area (if they are the leaders) ...even you disagree with their policies.
Roberto Larcos
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Yes Vince! Get in. A real political heavyweight.
fair enough, I can totally relate. If my area wasn't so fine I'd probably think about doing the same.
if nothing else this will change the labour party so there's that.
Huw_Dawson
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I mean the polling is consistent on if the public wants a snap election ('no' by a comfortable margin) and electoral forecasters put both the Tories and Liberal Democrats as benefiting in the May local elections this year.
Unless Corbyn rips his rubber mask off to reveal he's actually the risen Christ, I don't think he can turn his narrative around in seven weeks. What I am saying is not controversial. The benefits here are the PPCs in the Tories who stand to get MP jobs and the Lib Dems who will be delivering major blows in their old strongholds and in some new heavily pro-Remain anti-Corbyn areas.
OverBlood 3
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Well then you're an awful person. Tories are fucking scum.
Audioboxer
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Vote Greens, Lib Dems or even some independent vote. There is still value in seeing the figures for a GE in the 70's+ for turnout rather than the depressing 60 odd % of a country able to vote using their vote. There is little sympathy for "waaaah I want things to change"... "stays at home".
Change doesn't happen in one GE when things are this grim, but you gotta build up from somewhere. If everyone just thinks "fuck it", then... how does change ever come about? Unless you're planning on dying within 6 months there will be many more GE's in your lifetime. Giving your vote to another party will show an increase in their support and give Labour an inexcusable lightning rod that they're bleeding voters to other parties.
It's a long chess game when things are this grim.
A very good chance it is coming so they're going to go all out. "Pls don't be divided... go on to use language like Hooligans". Tory logic.
Michael Gove is a sack of shit though, everyone thinks that.
Yep, a fair statement. Nobody has been clamouring for an election other than a subset of politicians and the media because it gives them content.
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I mean, if your baseline for 'winning' is the Lib Dems go from 9 seats to about 25, maybe. But at the end of the day, the main winner in this election will very definitely be Theresa May, who will sideline her internal party opposition. The Lib Dems having 16 more seats is at the end of the day basically irrelevant.
BoogieWoogie
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Hey yeah go ahead. See how well that shit worked out over here in the US with folks saying "Oh well she's a lock, its protest vote time!"?
QuicheFontaine
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Haha, wait what is this for real? I just assumed that the leader of the Lib Dems would be both pro-choice and pro-lgbt, wtf?
Roberto Larcos
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Also worth noting that even when he was homophobic (he's claimed to have changed his views since), he voted overwhelmingly in favour of pro-LGBTQ+ legislation in Parliament.
I honestly barely care that a politician once held one view if it never affected their policy.
JonnyDBrit
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Because every other party - emphasis party, not just leaders - does not sufficiently reflect my personal beliefs in terms of policy. In such circumstances even if the leader were a shitstain, I would take them over parties that are openly planning to take away rights I was born with because too many immigrants.
Screaming Meat
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That's the crux of what she's after though, right?
Ah. Hadn't thought of those.
She only has a very small majority, which means that she is being held hostage by both centrist Tories and the hard right backbenchers who's votes she needs to be able to get anything done.
Recent example of this was that she had to u-turn on parts of her budget because some right wingers were moaning that it would de-incentives small business owners.
Calling an election when she has incredible popularity will give her an absolutely huge majority and allow her to have more space to make her own decisions rather than being hijacked by these fringe groups.
There is some level of hypocrisy that she'll have to get through given that she said she wouldn't do this, but given her popularity it probably won't be an issue and it's a politically very clever plan. The markets like it to, the £ has shot up since.
OverBlood 3
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He's not liberal in any sense of the word and they openly support the Tories.
See, I can believe this. I am no fan of May but she has sounded pretty inconsistent from day 1, initially she sounded moderate, with talk of equality in her first speech and getting Scotland onside prior to A50. She then took a hard turn right at some point which leads me to think she got pressure from the back bench / IDS cabal (hard right factions) to tow their line.
May won't savour economic catastrophe as her legacy and I know Hammond wants us to keep SM access.
I guess I am looking for silver linings but if there is any chance this could lead to a more moderate Brexit then fuck it (will still vote Lib Dem).
Not by us, no. It would have to be agreed by all the EU members and they're not going to let us back in with our cushy deal we had. There was some talk of a second referendum when the deal is known which is much more likely to happen without May and some EU ministers have floated the idea of letting the UK back out when the deal is known.
more than anything though I think a different representative would help the UK in the negotiations. May has already poisoned the well.
Roberto Larcos
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A pack of lies.
Who opposed the Snoopers Charter? And on what grounds was it opposed? And who was leader of the Lib Dems at that time?
The Lib Dems opposed it.
The Lib Dems opposed it, because it was hugely illiberal.
The Lib Dems, led by Tim Farron, opposed it - against the Tory government - because it was hugely illiberal.
OverBlood 3
Banned
I'm sorry but I can't vote for someone who views people as 'sinners'.
Exactly, this is my thinking. I'm happy about this and think that it will lead us away from the insanity of late.
I don't think May is suicidal and she doesn't want the country to explode, who wants that as their legacy? This move will give her the freedom to take a more centrist line than before and get the wing nuts to fuck off.
I will however, still vote LD as a show of my support for a softer Brexit/staying in the EU, even if after it is done I'll still get behind the process.
Huw_Dawson
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Fake news.
Dude is pro-LGBT and pro-choice. He's a christian, sure, but he'd be lynched by the party if he wasn't both the above.
www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11923/tim_farron/westmorland_and_lonsdale/votes
That's not the attitude you're dealing with though.
In this case, it is someone in a safe Labour seat who is disheartened with Labour. They either don't care or actively want Labour to lose seats.
Please don't try to project Americanisms onto our politics. Our system might be shite, but it's not Electoral College levels of shite.
This is by no means a settled position.
There is continued legal debate over the possibility of unilateral revocation of a notification under article 50, indeed there are cases pertaining to this still winding their ways through the courts.
In Real Politik, I hardly thing the EU27 would turn their noses up at the UK wanting to put all this nonsense behind us. As much as having the UK become a failed state after leaving would put the kybosh on any further breakup, that would take time to come to pass (and there is always the danger, however slim, that the UK might somehow stumble into success, however temporary).
Much better for the EU if the UK simply has second thoughts and returns gently to the fold, making it look like exiting the EU is too much bother entirely, even for one of the big players.
Roberto Larcos
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Ah, do views never change?
I for one hold the exact same views I held when I was 14, and will never change them. Incidentally, this makes me a Corbynite.
Well if the Lib Dems won, possibly. The irreversibility of Article 50 isn't clear, and kicking us out of the EU if we've clearly voted to stay in would seem a little unfair.
He doesn't belong in a liberal party. The only reason he's there now is the electorate unfairly savaging the party for daring to make their vote count for more than nothing.
Nobody seems to grasp that last part, how the coalition functioned in end result, and how forming one was better for the liberal voters than to have no say in government at all.
In the UK (as I suspect with the US) there's far too much spitting bile and hate at Tories for a list of emotive reasons such as 'scum' or 'evil', while half of them if not more don't even know why they're saying it, and conveniently have no knowledge or recollection of how other parties have *actually voted* on legistlation in the past.
The old LDs were the only people notably standing up against the surveillance state creep, for example. Let's just burn them all though because OMFGTORIESDIEDIESCUMSAVETHENHSPARTYOFTHERICH (etc).
It's so very, very tiresome. I've voted for all three of the parties in my life so far, at different times. If you can't look at the current situation and make a rational choice based on actual reasons, you're not helping anything.
autumnleaf
Member
Presumably you don't vote for May either.
Thornton Reed
Member
After the links you posted you think I should put a tick in a box next to farron???
Lim dems would never get my vote over the student fees fiasco, then add this idiot to the mix who thinks gay sex is sinful.
To make myself clear I would never vote Tory or lim dem, not while bloody Tim farron is in charge.
I have no one to vote for I don't believe in any of the candidates they're all full of shit.
OverBlood 3
Banned
Ah, do views never change?
I for one hold the exact same viewsI held when I was 14, and will never change them. Incidentally, this makes me a Corbynite.
He's not 14. He said this all recently.
I don't care for the way he's voted on welfare either.
My apologies I thought you said you were going to vote for the Tories, I don't like the Lib Dems either.
Roberto Larcos
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Quick note: Farron rebelled on student fees, voting against their increase. He also was not a part of the coalition government.
No
Roberto Larcos
Member
He's not 14. He said this all recently.
I don't care for the way he's voted on welfare either.
There's a lot more nuance in life than the website you've posted.
Also, you left out his LGBT voting record? Why is this?
Turns out we don't need EU workers after all - we have enough cherry-pickers among our own population.
Only if we revert to the previous timeline.
JonnyDBrit
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Quick, call Barry Allen!
JonnyDBrit
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Expect the SNP to hammer this home north of the border.
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