What? You still have to put your finger in the correct position if the sensor were on the back, and there are scenarios where your finger wouldn't naturally go to that spot. Meanwhile there is a 100% percent rate of putting your finger on the front of the phone when you use it and you can clearly see where everything is.
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What? You still have to put your finger in the correct position if the sensor were on the back, and there are scenarios where your finger wouldn't naturally go to that spot. Meanwhile there is a 100% percent rate of putting your finger on the front of the phone when you use it and you can clearly see where everything is.
TheCochese
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Lol, what?
Use a phone with a rear fingerprint sensor (or even one where there should have been, like the 2014 Moto X), and you will very quickly find that location within an instant of putting your hand in the pocket. If it's on the phone, your finger instinctively goes there after a few days. It becomes second nature.
You can really tell in this thread the people who have only tried one way, or dismissed another way after only about ten seconds.
So why are you (or the other guy) assuming that would not happen with the sensor on the front?
TheCochese
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It does, but what I've been saying for days now is that the location on the back is superior in this respect. No pinching the phone with your thumb and finger, but a full grip on it.
Fingerprint scanner on the back feels like a compromise Apple wouldn't make. Just before the line where Apple would swallow their pride and do a stopgap solution if there are manufacturing issues. I don't even feel like they'd let that that happen without the screen solution being in place from the jump (and they got the patent so long ago). And wasn't manufacturing issues the excuse last year for not having an "all-new" model? I put little stock in that being the case for a consecutive year.
Biggest reason why front scanner is superior is because the rear scanner depends a lot more on the size of the person's hands, so there's always some considerable portion of the spectrum of hand sizes that can use the phone fine otherwise (and I constantly see complaints about this in reviews and anecdotally), but it's uncomfortable to access the scanner. You don't have that with the front scanner since everyone pretty much accesses the front buttons the same and the way they hold the phone most of the time is already in a position where they can access the buttons they use most frequently (i.e. Home button). This won't really happen in the reverse for something like fingerprint scanning that you won't use as frequently as you use other functions on the touch screen.
Biggest reason why front scanner is superior is because the rear scanner depends a lot more on the size of the person's hands, so there's always some considerable portion of the spectrum of hand sizes that can use the phone fine otherwise (and I constantly see complaints about this in reviews and anecdotally), but it's uncomfortable to access the scanner. You don't have that with the front scanner since everyone pretty much accesses the front buttons the same and the way they hold the phone most of the time is already in a position where they can access the buttons they use most frequently (i.e. Home button). This won't really happen in the reverse for something like fingerprint scanning that you won't use as frequently as you use other functions on the touch screen.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
As a Nexus 6P (rear sensor) and iPhone 7+ owner, yeah, it's obvious those arguing against you have never owned a phone with a rear sensor. I miss the rear sensor. It was far more elegant in use when pulling the phone out of your pocket.
Bob Dobalina
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Echoing others' sentiments, you don't need to "put" your finger anywhere - it simply goes there when you hold the phone or remove it from your pocket thanks to the magic of muscle memory.
Going from a nexus 5X to an SE, I find myself with my pointer finger on the apple logo 100% of the time when using the phone. I would not say the same of my thumb being at the bottom of the front face as is needed for the home button, but I'll see how my hand fares in a few weeks.
Going from a nexus 5X to an SE, I find myself with my pointer finger on the apple logo 100% of the time when using the phone. I would not say the same of my thumb being at the bottom of the front face as is needed for the home button, but I'll see how my hand fares in a few weeks.
Anyone who has used a rear sensor knows it's the better position of the two. It's just way more natural. I'm thinking you are right that these people arguing against have never owned a phone with a rear sensor.
Zeyphersan
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In your mind, how long has it been since the last one and what should be the regular interval?
Compsiox
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I mean they have Macbooks, Mac Computers, iPads, iPods, iWatch, Pencil, and the upcoming car.
I want to see a new innovative product from them.
badcrumble
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Like AirPods?
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
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Apple do 'new' stuff all the time, like Apple Pay, Beats1, AirPods, Apple Watch... but if you're talking brand new never before existed tech then no they don't, but then they've never done that.
Who does?
What was the last truly unique invention by any tech company? Genuinely curious...
Who does?
What was the last truly unique invention by any tech company? Genuinely curious...
Frustrated_me
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Microsoft's Surface Studio comes to mind. Not truly unique but really well put product that comes off as being unique.
I would say that applies to anyone who thinks you have to 'pinch' your phone with a front sensor.
Fact of the matter is there is no rear placement that universally apply for everyone, which is why both placements will include a method of adjusting before 'becoming second nature'. (Especially on the s8, which is even less 'instinctive' than other android rear placements and goes against a lot of what people say are the benefits of it).
It's a personal preference more than anything else. This whole 'argument' is ridiculous.
-Pyromaniac-
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New leak shows all screen iphone, everything embedded, longer power button, etc..
https://9to5mac.com/2017/04/23/ipho...s-with-edge-to-edge-display-no-rear-touch-id/
https://9to5mac.com/2017/04/23/ipho...s-with-edge-to-edge-display-no-rear-touch-id/
BeforeU
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That looks prrtty thick.
T H I C C
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I don't know how can they infer an edge-to-edge display from a dummy model. Hell, even on my real iPhone it can be hard to see the bezel when the display is off.
Uhhh, isn't that the same thickness as the iPhone 6/7? Is that too thick now?
-Pyromaniac-
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I don't mind the vertical camera if it was done to a) take better pics somehow and/or b) done because they needed the horizontal space to embed the sensors/camera/speaker into the display. If they really managed to do that.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
I just hate that outer rim. I don't see the purpose of drawing attention to it. The 7 doesn't have such a rim. That rim is in every leak. Please don't be real.
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the 7 has a metal back so they used it to make the frame of the camera. Don't think that is possible with glass. With that said I don't think the final model will look exactly like this leak.
-Pyromaniac-
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I said it earlier in the thread but if this leak is really true, it's legit a technical marvel of the likes we haven't seen in many years and people be talkin about a rim on a camera frame lol...
That and again, final model will probably be polished differently. This may be how the frame looks as soon as it's cut. Leak did say it's a CNC model. Not sure what comes after that.
That and again, final model will probably be polished differently. This may be how the frame looks as soon as it's cut. Leak did say it's a CNC model. Not sure what comes after that.
I'll take marginally thicker (if it even is) if it means better battery life.
Haha
It's been literally one day since people realized they shouldn't have believed the previous "leak"...
Seriously anyone can 3D print or kitbash a dummy model these days
It does look pretty good though if they can get rid of the camera extrusion!
ScriptedReality
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That dummy model looks interesting but... I hate the camera set up. I really wanna see the front camera and screen fingerprint in action though. Imma andriod dude but this has me a little hype to see.
I like it.
TheCochese
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Yet I've noted I've used both, and that's what I do if I want to get it out of my pocket and unlock it quickly.
What the fuck ever. I'm over it.
Zeyphersan
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Wow that looks good. Front camera embedded into the display as well? Crazy
Your Entertainer
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More screen on front than S8, and embedded camera, sensors and fingerprint are waaay slicker.
*mouth starts watering*
Imagine all of this in an iPhone se. I thought it was an SE for a quick second anyway. We can assume that the display is HDR certified right? Is the iPhone 7/7+ HDR certified?
I want it now.
Jill Sandwich
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I wonder if there'll be a performance difference between a 7S and the 8 or if they'll share internals.
BeforeU
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to me it definitely looks thicker than iPhone 7. But seems like the camera is flushed inside. So that's neat
Oh me too. I am not complaining when I said its thick. I just said it looks thicker.
I don't mind thicker phone either if that means bigger battery and no camera bump
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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That looks really good if true.
rokkerkory
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yeah looks good, finally time to upgrade from my 6
As the article notes, this is likely just one of early designs they were testing.
If that's what counts as "curved glass," it seems like it's more like a chamfered edge.
I'm skeptical, especially with the trim along the camera. Inclined to believe this is more of a fan fake leak than something that was actually out of a CNC.
Noticed this too, but there are two different mock ups it seems, one with the iPhone 4-esque back panel, and one that seems to be unfinished with the aluminum back. Cool nod if they'd keep that aluminum, but I figured that picture is before they put the glass back on.
Yep it looks pretty meh. And has gross chrome sides.
-Pyromaniac-
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whether or not the actual physical thing he's holding is credible, the blueprints they are based on is basically the closest thing to possible reality we have so far. I'm not even acknowledging that stupid ass leak from last week.
Curved glass will be just like the current iphone 7's curved glass. Not samsungs stupid ass shit.
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
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Mmmmm I've been a Mac guy for almost 20 years but I was knocked out when I saw the Dial, amazing.
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