Sony are killing it for 3rd Party Marketing / Exclusive Content Deals

What? I think it's crap. I still own a Sony console and an MS console. It is crap. Of course they can do it, but we don't have to think it's lovely, let alone praise it.

edit: in response to previous post... (!)
 
Year long exclusives are kind of dumb when you think about it. The players on the other competing console could just wait year and buy the full collection at a much cheaper price (If one exists).

Though, Capcom has shown that these deals can end out pretty bad even if you're supported by the number console at the current moment.
 
IMO Sony is worried about Scorpio games looking and running better than the pro so instead of investing in better hardware they are banking on trying to market all these big games as some sort of PS4 exclusive. Sleazy

I know its been addressed a few times ...

There were deals at the start of this generation, deals at the end of last generation.

Remember the official PS3 GTA V bundle? What was Sony afraid of then?

This isnt something any of these companies just started.
 
As others mentioned its to be expected since there are a lot of ps4s out there. Good for them.


Edit: apparently strong market position and product marketing is "sleazy."
 
Hate this crap no matter who does it. Can't believe this thread is about "killing it" and not "this needs to stop", even tho that will never ever happen. Luckily most ppl seem to be against this. Also hilarious that Sony is "killing it" when they do it, but Microsoft is "money hatting" when they do it. Again tho, glad to see most ppl don't support this crap. Destiny exclusive content was the worst in the history of gaming. That shit should never ever happen. Anything more than a few months is ridiculous.
 
Hate this crap no matter who does it. Can't believe this thread is about "killing it" and not "this needs to stop", even tho that will never ever happen. Luckily most ppl seem to be against this. Also hilarious that Sony is "killing it" when they do it, but Microsoft is "money hatting" when they do it. Again tho, glad to see most ppl don't support this crap. Destiny exclusive content was the worst in the history of gaming. That shit should never ever happen. Anything more than a few months is ridiculous.

you mean the worst thing in terms of exclusive content right, not in the history of gaming?
 
Exclusive marketing... Wow.

The only real winners are the publishers. The games are going to sell, and the console with the highest Install base will most likely sell the most regardless of the marketing anyway.

It's the timed dlc (if good) that is a bit shitty Imo. I really can't see having maps exclusive for a month selling hardware.
 
LOL Microsoft started this crap. Did you miss last Gen?

It's not that they're not supporting it, they just don't have the leverage to strike those deals anymore. Don't forget they pioneered these shady deals in the first place. You make it seem like MS straightened up or something

not support it? dude, they're the pioneers of it

Microsoft INVENTED that crap. They paid big dollars to get GTA and COD DLCs first at the beginning of last gen. it set the precedent for publishers expecting this new revenue stream.

The tables turned on them and it's their own damn fault.

Actually, Sony "pioneered" it during the PS2 days as noted by other posters already. These type of posts show either age, ignorance or tinted shades. Microsoft just did it really successfully during the X360 era. Not that this is a good practice, because it never was.

I said this a couple months or so ago but i'll say it again. MS banked hardcore on 3rd party devs to do everything for them this gen, and while they were getting deal after deal early on with CoD: Ghosts, Titanfall, Tomb Raider, etc., once the market was decided on a clear victor, those deals were done for them.

Sure there's money being thrown around at publishers to get these deals but at the same time, as I also said, those publishers would have to be out of their minds to accept a deal with MS or be in a desperate position. What do you think a 3rd party cares about more?

Userbase of 60 million WW.

Or...

Userbase of 30 million (maybe, if not, close to it) and an unproven more powerful box yet to be released.

Even if MS offered more money at this point the deals would be denied, which is why everything worth a damn is being marketed under the PS4 banner now.

Again, making up fake facts for reassurance.

CoD - Microsoft's contract expired after Ghosts. They chose not to renew it.

Titanfall - Again, many people choose to believe what they eant, even AFTER the devs explained. Without Microsoft, the game as we know it wouldn't even exist. They originally went to Sony and got shot down and told to make it for Vita. So the fuck what if Microsoft increased their timed exclusivity to permenant after all the work and money spent? People are okay with SFV which is infinitely shadier for a plethora of reasons, but not Titanfall? Tinted shades, again.

Tomb Raider - Published by Microsoft worldwide. SE didn't just bend over and give Microsoft a free times exclusive. Funny thing about TR is that Sony did it in the PS2 days in a much more shadier way, but of course nobody cares about that.

The rest of your post is too cringeworthy to respond to.

Loving these hated it when MS did it, but now Sony is doing it it's ok posts.

Reading forums last gen, I could have sworn folks thought it was a bad thing.

We hyping money hats these days, what changed?!

Money hatting is good now op?

We lauding monetary hats now? Cool.

Pretty much this is a nutshell. Last gen, the amount of hatred and whining about Xbox marketing deals and timed exclusitivity DLC was insufferable. How scummy "M$" were was shouted from the rooftops, and to deny this and make revisionist history out of it because your favorite company does it now? C'mon.

Hell, even early this gen (2013?) there was a rumor from fake insiders that MS will go out of their way to make it seem like 3rd party games shown at their E3 conference will be exclusive, when in reality they won't be. The amount if hatred and vitriol this rumor achieved... any of y'all remember this? Then, it turned out to not be true, when in reality Sony did it with FFXV/KH3 at E3. Internet freaks out about exclusitivity for 24 hours until SE announced them multiplatform the next day. Sony did exactly what MS was rumored to do and not an ounce of negativity is shred.

Not exactly sure why, but there is a huge amount of hypocrisy whenever it comes to Xbox vs PlayStation. It goes it both directions but it's vastly more profound via hardcore Playstation fans.
 
This is IMHO the worst thing in this industry, stupid exclusive content. It's just annoying and stupid. We should not support that. Glad, that Microsoft is not supporting this crap.

I'm guessing you missed the 360 era? They're not the market leader so they can't get those deals easily. They can but at a much Higher cost.
 
I mean, obviously they're going to get the best 3rd party deals because they're dominating the market. I don't see that there's much to discuss.

Though if I never hear the terms "exclusive content" or "console exclusive" again I will be a happy man.
 
Again, making up fake facts for reassurance.

CoD - Microsoft's contract expired after Ghosts. They chose not to renew it.

Titanfall - Again, many people choose to believe what they eant, even AFTER the devs explained. Without Microsoft, the game as we know it wouldn't even exist. They originally went to Sony and got shot down and told to make it for Vita. So the fuck what if Microsoft increased their timed exclusivity to permenant after all the work and money spent? People are okay with SFV which is infinitely shadier for a plethora of reasons, but not Titanfall? Tinted shades, again.

Tomb Raider - Published by Microsoft worldwide. SE didn't just bend over and give Microsoft a free times exclusive. Funny thing about TR is that Sony did it in the PS2 days in a much more shadier way, but of course nobody cares about that.

The rest of your post is too cringeworthy to respond to.

This is funny and a big missed opportunity for Sony here, wow.

Then again, imagine them making Titan Fall for the Vita... Would have been interesting at least.
 
Actually, Sony "pioneered" it during the PS2 days as noted by other posters already. These type of posts show either age, ignorance or tinted shades. Microsoft just did it really successfully during the X360 era. Not that this is a good practice, because it never was.

Again, making up fake facts for reassurance.

CoD - Microsoft's contract expired after Ghosts. They chose not to renew it.

Titanfall - Again, many people choose to believe what they eant, even AFTER the devs explained. Without Microsoft, the game as we know it wouldn't even exist. They originally went to Sony and got shot down and told to make it for Vita. So the fuck what if Microsoft increased their timed exclusivity to permenant after all the work and money spent? People are okay with SFV which is infinitely shadier for a plethora of reasons, but not Titanfall? Tinted shades, again.

Tomb Raider - Published by Microsoft worldwide. SE didn't just bend over and give Microsoft a free times exclusive. Funny thing about TR is that Sony did it in the PS2 days in a much more shadier way, but of course nobody cares about that.

The rest of your post is too cringeworthy to respond to.

Pretty much this is a nutshell. Last gen, the amount of hatred and whining about Xbox marketing deals and timed exclusitivity DLC was insufferable. How scummy "M$" were was shouted from the rooftops, and to deny this and make revisionist history out of it because your favorite company does it now? C'mon.

Hell, even early this gen (2013?) there was a rumor from fake insiders that MS will go out of their way to make it seem like 3rd party games shown at their E3 conference will be exclusive, when in reality they won't be. The amount if hatred and vitriol this rumor achieved... any of y'all remember this? Then, it turned out to not be true, when in reality Sony did it with FFXV/KH3 at E3. Internet freaks out about exclusitivity for 24 hours until SE announced them multiplatform the next day. Sony did exactly what MS was rumored to do and not an ounce of negativity is shred.

Not exactly sure why, but there is a huge amount of hypocrisy whenever it comes to Xbox vs PlayStation. It goes it both directions but it's vastly more profound via hardcore Playstation fans.

Doesn't the smaller amount of vitriol make sense though? the overwhelming majority have a PS4, so not only is this locked content usually insignificant and not large expansions like back in the 360 days, Most people have a PS4 and don't feel left out.

I'm still confused at your post though, this thread is still overwhelmingly negative towards the practice, why are you acting like people are accepting this now.

And is that really the situation that happened with COD?
 
Of course it's anti consumer, both copies will cost the same but one will get less. If that isn't anti consumer, I guess this world has failed.

Companies have always done this it's not exclusive to consoles. If you want the extra content by the console it's on. If you can't afford it that's understandable. But if you're limiting yourself to one console for any other reason it's on you.
 
What? I think it's crap. I still own a Sony console and an MS console. It is crap. Of course they can do it, but we don't have to think it's lovely, let alone praise it.

edit: in response to previous post... (!)
For someone who owns the product which gets this, this is not crap we get rewarded better
 
Actually, Sony "pioneered" it during the PS2 days as noted by other posters already. These type of posts show either age, ignorance or tinted shades. Microsoft just did it really successfully during the X360 era. Not that this is a good practice, because it never was.


Again, making up fake facts for reassurance.

CoD - Microsoft's contract expired after Ghosts. They chose not to renew it.

Titanfall - Again, many people choose to believe what they eant, even AFTER the devs explained. Without Microsoft, the game as we know it wouldn't even exist. They originally went to Sony and got shot down and told to make it for Vita. So the fuck what if Microsoft increased their timed exclusivity to permenant after all the work and money spent? People are okay with SFV which is infinitely shadier for a plethora of reasons, but not Titanfall? Tinted shades, again.

Tomb Raider - Published by Microsoft worldwide. SE didn't just bend over and give Microsoft a free times exclusive. Funny thing about TR is that Sony did it in the PS2 days in a much more shadier way, but of course nobody cares about that.

The rest of your post is too cringeworthy to respond to.


Pretty much this is a nutshell. Last gen, the amount of hatred and whining about Xbox marketing deals and timed exclusitivity DLC was insufferable. How scummy "M$" were was shouted from the rooftops, and to deny this and make revisionist history out of it because your favorite company does it now? C'mon.

Hell, even early this gen (2013?) there was a rumor from fake insiders that MS will go out of their way to make it seem like 3rd party games shown at their E3 conference will be exclusive, when in reality they won't be. The amount if hatred and vitriol this rumor achieved... any of y'all remember this? Then, it turned out to not be true, when in reality Sony did it with FFXV/KH3 at E3. Internet freaks out about exclusitivity for 24 hours until SE announced them multiplatform the next day. Sony did exactly what MS was rumored to do and not an ounce of negativity is shred.

Not exactly sure why, but there is a huge amount of hypocrisy whenever it comes to Xbox vs PlayStation. It goes it both directions but it's vastly more profound via hardcore Playstation fans.

Agree with almost everything in this post
 
And is that really the situation that happened with COD?

From things we have heard from Microsoft, yes. Also if I remember correctly part of the initial deal for CoD actually gave Activision $5 of each Xbox Live sub so I would assume Microsoft finally decided it was time to get rid of that.
 
Hate it, especially when Microsoft / Sony and Nintendo tries to mislead the casual gamer into thinking whatever game being marketed, is Thier exclusive when it's not. Super shady
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Fixed that for you, just so its not so fan boyish drivel.

Scorpio. LOL.

Hate to break your bubble but I have 2 pro, will probably get Scorpio, and NONE of them will run normal 30 FPS games at 60 FPS due to tablet grade CPU's taking 1/20 th of the die space. Digital foundry will have their magnifying glass out though, for sure.

So not really, best place will be PC by a clear margin (60 FPS) until we get decent i5 class CPU;s in consoles. Roll on next gen....
 
Microsoft will have a tough time but they still got a few heavy hitters to market too. Shadow of war,madden,FIFA and than there own first party titles.

Shadow of War will most likely be old when the Scorpio comes out as it is an august release. FIFA is for the european market and i don't think they'll suddenly start to care about the xbox one.
 
The only thing that failed is the poster you replied to. What a bunch of anti consumer stupidity.

Thanks for the heads up. I suspect the poster was either trolling or worse, actually believes in what he was typing.


Companies have always done this it's not exclusive to consoles. If you want the extra content by the console it's on. If you can't afford it that's understandable. But if you're limiting yourself to one console for any other reason it's on you.

That's true and I won't deny it. Exclusive things are a privilege and that's fair but when a company signs a contract that actively blocks another company, that isn't fair.

Also, limiting myself? Aren't you Mister "We're number one" PlayStation?
 
What's the Shadow of Mordor exclusive content? I buy basically nothing on my XBox.

Dont know, but as a 360/ps3 player before this gen I can only recall the only really miffed fans about cosmetic exclusive crap was Destiny (guns and maps held back).
 
Pretty much this is a nutshell. Last gen, the amount of hatred and whining about Xbox marketing deals and timed exclusitivity DLC was insufferable. How scummy "M$" were was shouted from the rooftops, and to deny this and make revisionist history out of it because your favorite company does it now? C'mon.

Hell, even early this gen (2013?) there was a rumor from fake insiders that MS will go out of their way to make it seem like 3rd party games shown at their E3 conference will be exclusive, when in reality they won't be. The amount if hatred and vitriol this rumor achieved... any of y'all remember this? Then, it turned out to not be true, when in reality Sony did it with FFXV/KH3 at E3. Internet freaks out about exclusitivity for 24 hours until SE announced them multiplatform the next day. Sony did exactly what MS was rumored to do and not an ounce of negativity is shred.

Not exactly sure why, but there is a huge amount of hypocrisy whenever it comes to Xbox vs PlayStation. It goes it both directions but it's vastly more profound via hardcore Playstation fans.

Regarding KH3 and FFXV that's not true. The game were announced at Sony conference which was what provided the confusion. Neither MS or Sony mention the other console when they unveil 3rd party games on their conference. You can look at COD, Destiny, Watch Dogs, AC etc. to see that it was the case. Sony didn't hide the fact that those games would be available on XB1, they promoted their console which is perfectly right. The rumour was saying that MS was going to hide the multiplatform aspect of games everywhere which means outside of their conference as well. That's where the issue was.

Furthermore the more a practice is being used the lesser the backlash is going to be. Do you find it weird that people don't complain about the latest piece of cosmetic DLC like they complained about the Horse armor? Marketing deals is now a common practice, much more then it was during the PSX or PS2 days so of course people would be less outrage, it's part of the game now just like online paywall and microtransactions are.

Edit: Btw I don't see how SFV was a bad case since Sony was funding the game in some ways while letting the game be released on PC as well.
 
Getting marketing rights on the largest and most popular platform is just common business sense.

But the exclusive timed shit has to stop. Nobody benefits from that. Sony is no exception.

Agreed. Nintendo does need to get on the ball this gen for co-marketing and console bundles for what big 3rd party titles it does end up securing for Switch.
 
In the last year or two PS4 had an insane 1st party offering, but previously in mainly relied in 3rd party only. Considering their results, I think they are doing a great job with 3rd party deals.

As an example, I think they are going to sell a lot this holiday season with CoD, Destiny 2, Starwars, RDR2, etc. I don't need this, I don't give a fuck about marketing deals or (mostly temporally) exclusive DLCs but I understand it should be appealing to a lot of people.
 
Thanks for the heads up. I suspect the poster was either trolling or worse, actually believes in what he was typing.




That's true and I won't deny it. Exclusive things are a privilege and that's fair but when a company signs a contract that actively blocks another company, that isn't fair.

Also, limiting myself? Aren't you Mister "We're number one" PlayStation?

Consumers have a Choice of what to buy More content or less content at the same price. Also the choice not to buy at all if they feel it's wrong No one is forced to buy anything.

For example I did not buy Tomb Raider even though it came with more content on ps4. I thought the deal was shitty so I didn't support the game.
 
This stuff is awful, and I really don't think it helps either platform that much. The number of people who make their decisions based on a few exclusive bits of content is probably not that sizable.

Sony actually managed to make Destiny worse for PS4 users, since the exclusive strikes and weapons could not go into the Nightfall/Xur rotation.
 
Consumers have a Choice of what to buy More content or less content at the same price. Also the choice not to buy at all if they feel it's wrong No one is forced to buy anything.

This is true but it doesn't negate if the act is anti consumer. Anyway, I suspect you have no problem with the current way of how co-marketing is going considering your preferred console is getting most of them.
 
Folks acting like a lot of people are in support of this, these are the ones that have said remotely good things about this:

Gowans
MrS
Tumle
Soldiussnaku
sugarman
PackAPunchedMick
Ashtar
Nestunt
Silent Chie
DrunkShogun
ArkhamFantasy
Alkastelca
Toe-Knee
Lifeline
gamz
iMerc
Purest 78
Blackleg-sanji

18 people. Out of the 224 posters in this thread. And even then, only a handful are outright positive about this, most of them just being okay with it or saying it's just business or mentioning that they are okay with 1 month deals but not the 1 year destiny deals.

Take your victim complex, "oh it's sony, so it's okay now" shit elsewhere. If you are seeing someone who has flip-flopped, call them out specifically with proof rather than making general "oh poor me/MS fans" "this is neogaf" statements without any real ground to stand on.
 
Folks acting like a lot of people are in support of this, these are the ones that have said good things about this:

Gowans
MrS
Tumle
Soldiussnaku
sugarman
PackAPunchedMick
Ashtar
Nestunt
Silent Chie
DrunkShogun
ArkhamFantasy
Alkastelca
Toe-Knee
Lifeline
gamz
iMerc
Purest 78
Blackleg-sanji

18 people. Out of the 224 posters in this thread. And even then, only a handful are outright positive about this, most of them just being okay with it or saying it's just business or mentioning that they are okay with 1 month deals but not the 1 year destiny deals.

Take your victim complex, "oh it's sony, so it's okay now" shit elsewhere. If you are seeing someone who has flip-flopped, call them out specifically with proof rather than making general "oh poor me/MS fans" "this is neogaf" statements without any real ground to stand on.

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Partnerships to get games made or speed up development: Good!
Paying for exclusive content for the sole purpose of it not being on competitors: Bad!
Marketing partnerships: Literally doesn't matter to me as a consumer and shouldn't matter to any of you. It just shows who is leading the marketplace.
 
Taking one look at SFV and that backfired for Capcom, I doubt Sony cares all that much.


I just don't want arrogant Sony back and I feel like it is creeping up on us.
 
Taking one look at SFV and that backfired for Capcom, I doubt Sony cares all that much.


I just don't want arrogant Sony back and I feel like it is creeping up on us.

If I'm ready this correctly SFV had nothing to do with it being marketed by PS4 or exclusive though. The lack of content/modes is why SFV was a bust. Bloodborne didn't have any problems,

Also how is Sony going back to arrogant Sony?
 
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