Did she actually say that though or just say vague things about taking responsibility for her loss?
Politico writer brings it up but I don't think she or her campaign have ever addressed it directly.
Clinton: 'I was on the way to winning' until Comey, Russia intervened
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Did she actually say that though or just say vague things about taking responsibility for her loss?
Politico writer brings it up but I don't think she or her campaign have ever addressed it directly.
I wasn't referring to all Hillary supporters, I was only talking about her very passionate supporters on here who refuse to move on from the primary.
Um did you bot read the article, clearly the fbi forbid her from traveling to Wisconsin
Oh wait, it was the russian hackerd thst cancelled her flight
Queenie should never be taken to account for campaigning so badly
America is already great
Tal Shiar Agent
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His election wasn't rigged.
You are purposely not understanding what's being said.
Look forward to the post mortem of the era following the election once the current 4-8 years are in the rear window. The stories that came out regarding Comey's actions that have always worked in past issues, the GOP's masterful attempt to undermine Clinton for decades, failings of the DNC, and the Trump campaign in all the findings that may or may not come out.
Really gonna be something to read one day a years away from all the heat of current opinions.
Really gonna be something to read one day a years away from all the heat of current opinions.
Psychoward
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I agree! It's a shame a huge portion of our country are idiots.
It's saying that you take responsibility for being in that position in the first place.
Comey crashed her numbers. This is incontrivertible. But if they were .5-1% higher, Hillary is President. This is what she can take responsibility for.
The margins were so thin that her statement is absolutely correct and her not coming to some rust belt states could have cost her, too. It was a complex election. I'm not sure why people really want to get angry at her for stating the truth.
After decades of right wing attacks yes they absolutely were outrageously biased against her. People still are, apparently.
After decades of right wing attacks yes they absolutely were outrageously biased against her. People still are, apparently.
How about you practice what you preach and not inflame threads with your own bullshit?
No one is saying it was the only problem, but in terms of timing and the percentage it did affect in the final hours, it was the last tipping point that got us
Which should have never ever been the tipping point in the first place.
It's like if an elevator was packed with 50 people, and the cable snaps due to the extreme over-capacity, and then blaming the last guy that got on.
What shortcomings do you think she was otherwise referring to?
Psychoward
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ehh she's not wrong but ultimately, like she said, her campaign made some pretty dumb mistakes that put her in a position for those outside factors to decide the election. glad she is owning up to those mistakes though. I think this thread would have been better served with more of an emphasis on that coupled with the fbi/wikileaks stuff. the thread title only focuses on her saying she would have won if not for the comey stuff.
TheUntamedLegend
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How much of it is her fault that the Republican Party had built her up as such a supervillain for 20 years, that it did not matter she was running against a cartoon character to many (foolish) people?
Hellwarden
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It was certainly one of the larger factors.
"I was on the way to winning" she says, "until James Comey and Wikileaks scared people away!"
She is not taking responsibility for the fact that she should never have been close enough for those people who fled to matter.
This is why she probably shouldn't have run in the first place. With that much baggage and no charisma and no real reason for running (http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...clinton-never-figured-out-why-she-was-running) there's no real reason for her to have run in the first place. But since she did, she needs to actually take full responsibility and stop saying this "If it weren't for Comey/Wikileaks, I'd be president!"
PastorOfMuppets
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Why do you pick literally the worst countries you can think of when you make this argument?
Why don't people ever be like, "You think it's terrible here, well why don't you visit Australia to see what real horrors look like?!"
Jesus fucking christ. You can absolutely take responsibility for your part in it and then also point out that Russia/Wikileaks/James Comes also had a hand in it.
People parroting the "She should never have been close to losing to Trump" line are missing the picture here. That's the campaign she ran, and that was actually the problem. She bet that there's no way this crazy piece of shit could get close to her because he was awful and there's no way we could vote for him. By saying she shouldn't have been close you're falling into the same trap as her.
The BIGGEST thing to learn from her election was actually that people largely apparently don't care about about the things Trump did. You can't point at someone and say they're racist/sexist/ignorant and win, because people apparently don't mind that shit. That's the takeaway.
Gonna strongly disagree. She could have easily survived all of her shortcomings. These things are what did her in... and barely at that. She still got the popular vote and the margins weren't so big in a significant portion of the areas she lost.
She is making a statement of fact. That has nothing to do with responsibility!
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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This. I wish she and the rest of the Clintons would go away from the public light forever.
I don't know. That's why a vague statement of responsibility but then saying it was Russian interference and hacking seems to kind of put the onus on that. With an election this close, yes, those were factors, but if every campaign stop in NY was instead in a battleground state, we may not even be having this discussion as well.
I just think she should directly address that her campaign schedule was shit, that's all.
"So did we make mistakes? Of course we did. Did I make mistakes? Oh my gosh, yes."
Psychoward
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Is this a new form of oppression Olympics? Country complaining Olympics?
Sure, but it also shouldn't have been close enough for that to matter. If we're always gonna be one little scandal away from a person of Donald Trump's caliber taking over the Presidency then we are fucked.
I don't blame Clinton all that much, she was the victim of a couple decades long smear campaign that has always been disgusting, but we need to be smart about this. Our candidates need to be popular enough to easily beat the lowest trash that Republicans throw out there. At least make them put forward a semi-competent candidate in order to be competitive.
I don't blame Clinton all that much, she was the victim of a couple decades long smear campaign that has always been disgusting, but we need to be smart about this. Our candidates need to be popular enough to easily beat the lowest trash that Republicans throw out there. At least make them put forward a semi-competent candidate in order to be competitive.
She is taking responsibility for those things under her control.
You have a narrative you want to cling to and it's getting in the way.
Psychoward
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She doesn't need to take ultimate responsibility because multiple factors played in to her loss, some of which were out of her or the DNC's control?
She does say she messed up. Personally.
She already says it's her own fault overall AFAIK, but it's FBI/Russia/Wikileaks that torpedoed things at the very end.
excelsiorlef
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You understand the difference between a month to recover and basically a week eh?
Someone needs to post the GIF of their rally schedules.
Yep this. It's an immediate flip on saying she takes responsibility.
Of course you have people in other threads whining that Hillary is too quiet after losing. Can't win.
Flying Toaster
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I have watched the documentry series Cleverman. Australia is horrid.
I listened to interview today. I am pissed how people are picking things apart to make their arguments...
Coulda, shoulda, woulda... She owned it move on.
I think you mean "semi-popular" rather than "semi-competent," cuz I don't think anyone in the world thinks that Hillary wasn't competent enough to run the country.
Other than that I agree with this post quite a bit.
Also, I think it's time for Hillary to ride off into the sunset.
Utter nonsense.
You can fuck up with the things you had a hand in and admit full responsibility and then state the fact that other things contributed to what happened.
Seriously, why do people want to ignore Russia/Comey, etc? That doesn't get us anywhere. That doesn't help us dissect the election and better position ourselves for the future. Using ALL data helps us. Ignoring some because you have a fucking hate-boner for Hillary Clinton gets us nowhere at all.
The whole "things could be worse" thing doesn't really work as much since that list is infinite.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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If your argument is that a candidate is at fault for not making you want to drink beer with them when the opponent is a repulsive idiot with no political experience, you can't be taken seriously
paperboywriter
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i think the time has come to stop bringing this up. The rules were clear from the beginning.
Into the Light
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I mean life is a gift, so if I told them, at least you have your life, and your still here. Yeah that is the argument Id make. I really don't see anything wrong with that.
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