Callibretto
Member
I think Stallone and his group will basically be
the army that fight Thanos army at the end of either Avengers 3 or 4. because the Nova corps will probably be destroyed at some point because they have 1 infinity stone
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 |OT| Anyone can save the galaxy once - SPOILERS!
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I think Stallone and his group will basically be
Non consequential for the Galaxy or for these characters? Because the movie didn't movie us closer to Infinity Wars or whatever but it did advance these characters a bunch.
Nah, I agree. It's better than the original.
And I certainly don't understand the "non consequential" complaint? Is it because it was a standalone story?
Marvel can't win on that front. People either complain that the movies tie in too much or that they don't at all.
Mr. Smiley
Member
Gurren Lagann didn't create "Don't believe in yourself, but I believe in you." lmao
Guys, we're in the spoiler thread. You don't need to spoil tag the movie, let alone random guesses about future movies.
I think we would have heard by now if Stallone was in Infinity War. I'm pretty sure that scene and the Adam Warlock tease were for Guardians 3.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
VendettaRed07
Member
Wow, Maybe Kurt is just immortal irl then..ffs
Forgot my fave moment when seeing it.
When Ego reveals he killed Peter's mother, there was an "oooh" in the cinema followed by a loud "fuck him up, Starlord."
People just love these characters in the UK.
Try again, the music in this film tells the story of how Ego and Peter's Mum got together. On the surface it's lively and happy, until you listen to the lyrics and realise how sad and broken it made her.
Yondu was right, Ego was a jackass.
When Ego reveals he killed Peter's mother, there was an "oooh" in the cinema followed by a loud "fuck him up, Starlord."
People just love these characters in the UK.
Try again, the music in this film tells the story of how Ego and Peter's Mum got together. On the surface it's lively and happy, until you listen to the lyrics and realise how sad and broken it made her.
Yondu was right, Ego was a jackass.
Infinite Stars
Member
That would be a nice way to get Stallone more purpose while not having to spin wheels for 2-4 years. If that's the case,
I'm imagining War has to be 50% Thanos just rofl-stomping the MCU.
It does raise the question of where the hell is the last Stone, because THANOS is still live (Tesseract H Aether Necklace Orb Spear)
I'm imagining War has to be 50% Thanos just rofl-stomping the MCU.
It does raise the question of where the hell is the last Stone, because THANOS is still live (Tesseract H Aether Necklace Orb Spear)
Primethius
Banned
Most Marvel movies are "non-consequential." I have no issues with stand-alone story arcs so I don't see this as a negative.
Not suggesting it did. Just the easiest association for me having watched that.
Other people have said this, but it's likely one or both of Heimdall's eyes. He sees everything.
brianjones
Member
the groot dance opening was ... oof
was worried the whole movie was gonna be like that
it was fun
sitting in the theatre with a bunch of teenagers was interesting.. wondered if they got all these pop culture references and songs
was worried the whole movie was gonna be like that
it was fun
sitting in the theatre with a bunch of teenagers was interesting.. wondered if they got all these pop culture references and songs
I'm trying to figure out how people are saying this soundtrack isn't as strong as the first. Is it because the first had more popular songs? There are so many incredible tracks in this one, and such perfect use of things like Lake Shore Drive, Southern Nights, and especially Father and Son.
Mr. Blue Sky Electric Light Orchestra
Fox on the Run Sweet
Lake Shore Drive Aliotta Haynes Jeremiah
The Chain Fleetwood Mac
Bring It On Home To Me Sam Cooke
Southern Nights Glen Campbell
My Sweet Lord George Harrison
Brandy (Youre A Fine Girl) Looking Glass
Come A Little Bit Closer Jay and the Americans
Wham Bam Shang-A-Lang Silver
Surrender Cheap Trick
Father and Son Cat Stevens
Flash Light Parliament
Mr. Blue Sky Electric Light Orchestra
Fox on the Run Sweet
Lake Shore Drive Aliotta Haynes Jeremiah
The Chain Fleetwood Mac
Bring It On Home To Me Sam Cooke
Southern Nights Glen Campbell
My Sweet Lord George Harrison
Brandy (Youre A Fine Girl) Looking Glass
Come A Little Bit Closer Jay and the Americans
Wham Bam Shang-A-Lang Silver
Surrender Cheap Trick
Father and Son Cat Stevens
Flash Light Parliament
The soundtrack was fine. Not as good, but fine.
The original score my Tyler Bates was kind of ass. Like the Guardians theme is great, but it doesn't need to play in every scene.
I'm sure the kids had a great time with the Cheers reference. More importantly, I wonder if they knew what's a zune
They could have gone all the way around and had Yondu whistling the damn thing along with it while his arrow was fighting mind energy, I guess.
*shrug*
I agree with you. The theme never hit as hard as it did during the escape sequence and the climax in GotG1.
ZackieChan
Member
Seemed like a cheeky reference to that scene. Good stuff.
I didn't think it was possible to dislike that magical opening. My theater was laughing throughout the entire scene.
Was it here that I read that the soundtrack to Vol 2 should be listened to from the perspective of Peter's mother attempting to reconcile her relationship with Ego and his absence following his departure? After I read that interpretation I began to appreciate the soundtrack a lot more as a contribution to the narrative.
Is Fox On The Run actually in the movie? I only remember it from the trailer.
I liked it at first, but it admittedly was hella long...
layzie1989
Member
I see your point and I need to see the movie again to take the music in, I just don't think it was as effective in this movie. Maybe it's just because I cared less about ego's relationship to the mother than Peter's.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
it makes less sense with Ego knowing the lyrics word for word as if he listened to it a bunch already.
brianjones
Member
believe me I get it
it's just one of those sequel things where they double down on what worked in the original but it just feels a little obvious and tired the second time around
I'm a Scrooge tho don't mind me
Absolutely. Kurt Russell was great but Ego the character left a lot to be desired(still better than the poor showing Ronan got). The worst part is that it was done for no other reason than the big, dumb, drowning in cgi climax which itself completely undercut the emotion of what Ego did to Peter's mother. That was all they needed for him to be the villain but instead it immediately turned into saving the universe and all that jazz and that sapped the genuine emotion out of the climax.
I think the biggest problem with the film is how it handles its dramatic emotions, the way it undercuts a lot of it with humor and how it misses some key and obvious scenes that would tighten everything up. Like the movie opens with the flashback to Peter's parents, this a terrible idea for two obvious reasons: 1. You really shouldn't show that until after Ego shows up, and even more importantly 2. Considering the story of the film that scene should've been one between a young Peter and Yondu.
And during the opening of the film we have the scene with Rocket trying to get some of Peter's music to play for their big fight and then the film gets into their falling out. Now how do you not have Rocket play some of that music at a crucial time in the climax to help Peter? Like after Ego destroys the Walkman, Rocket should come flying in playing the song to psych Peter up before he goes all Superman on his pops. So Rocket and Peter patch things up largely just because the film is ending.
The whole film is just this haphazard mess. Drax and Mantis, who I find hilarious, and even Gamora, are basically non-entities in the story. So much of the film is about Peter and his dad but so little actually happens with Peter and his dad.
And this is why I too think Yondu and Nebula are the easy standouts of the film, their storylines are the only ones that work and they work almost in spite of the film.
Mr. Smiley
Member
I was very much prepared to hate Baby Groot cause of the marketing, but he wasn't bad.
Also, it feels kind of hypocritical for the movie to want you to feel bad for Groot while the ravagers surround him and chant "Mascot! Mascot!"...while the movie does the same thing. He's almost entirely inconsequential.
Inconsequential is gonna start not meaning anything thanks to this thread.
Baby Groot killed Ego, he doesn't die without him.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
all of them are inconsequential. You could replace Rocket with Quill and tell the same story and Quill didn't even need his friends to dramatically reveal the truth to him wrt Ego. The guardians were just window dressing.
ZackieChan
Member
Yeah, I really like him and was sure I would hate him.
It's an amazing soundtrack. The funny thing is, I made a playlist of the first movie's soundtrack and added some more songs to it to make it a little longer. One of those was Mr. Blue Sky - it just felt like it belonged! Now I've got them all in one playlist and have basically been listening to it nonstop since I saw the movie. Great stuff.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Maybe its just because I expect SO little out of Marvel villains (I dont even remember who the villain of GotG1 was...) that I liked Ego a lot more. Ego at least had something to him and some kind of a motive and arrived at a conclusion because of his god complex.
A lot of scenes that were serious and undercut by comedy felt as if someone was just afraid of the movie being taken too serious. The Nebula scene in particular is pretty much about as serious or dark the movie gets aside from Ego just admitting to giving mama Quill a tumor, and instead of giving the audience a second to reflect on Nebula's character, she is interrupted by Sean Gunn's shitty character.
Ego being an asshole who doesn't get the meaning of a song on a personal level fits though. He knows what the song is about, but not what it's really about.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
Member
I feel like I've cooled down considerably on GotG1. I certainly appreciate it for introducing this iteration of the group to the wider audience outside of comics, and for it being where it was in Phase 2, but on recent rewatches after being accustomed to the characters, it did kinda feel like it was still constrained by a conventional Superhero Film Equation of sorts. With all that, and especially with the Real Life bullshit that went down today, I just wanted GotG vol 2 to be a Good Film, not so Formula.
I feel like we got a Great Film, but still Formula.
Ego, I was glad that he did end up ultimately being the villain. I will say when he showed the first time that he found intelligent life, the most logical question would have been to ask how that encounter went, but seeing as how this was Ego explaining himself to his son, Peter asking how Ego actually met HIS mom worked naturally. It was also the first red flag for us the viewer, because the question that Ego presumably had the whole time was "What about life outside of myself?" and the answer ended up being "Eh, fuck other life." (Um... Yes, in both senses of that word.)
I dreaded it, I dreaded the other shoe dropping between Ego and Meredith, but MAN, putting that tumor in her brain himself?? I just about went "Fuck you, you are irredeemably evil. Peter SHOOT HIS ASSoh okay you got that covered." I remember I think it was SDCC last year when James Gunn talked about how this film would answer the question of how a being like Ego would reconcile his loneliness in the cosmos apart from others, and I guess I'm in the group that bought into such a being ultimately thinking only of himself. The happy ending as we humans see it would have been Ego abandoning that mission of his to stay on Earth, have Meredith and Peter as his family (even if Peter wouldn't have that celestial power as the planet would be gone without Ego), and instead we got the villain of this picture.
I really, REALLY wanted Ego or Peter to accidentally hit the other with that Celestial Energy Baseball in their game of catch and it'd be like "OH NO R U OK" like a laugh beat, but it really would have been forced too. Things like that, like in GotG1 when Peter drops the Orb before he can hand it to the Collector, you can't force it, and that accident actually happened on set and Pratt played it straight to that film's benefit.
Gamora... I liked it more when she had not-Starlord things to do. It's good that there's a moral center and a level-headed individual in the group, but I feel like with what I gather of her history in the comics there's more that could be done. I liked the dynamic with her and Nebula most of all for her. If anything, I appreciate that they didn't go for a kiss at the end of this movie. Try to go for as organic a romance over multiple films as we can, maybe? Is Gamora and Peter the first couple in a Marvel film to not kiss on the second film? Pepper couldn't escape it, after all.
Not all the jokes landed for me personally, but the crowd was a good one tonight. Holy moley, Dave Bautista as Drax and Michael Rooker as Yondu. A+ MVPs for this film. "I'M MARY POPPINS Y'ALL!!" is some T-shirt bait that I am ashamed to say I'd go for, especially considering Yondu's ultimate fate. RIP in Peace, Yondu.
Sean Gunn's character, Kraglin (I remembered his name but had to Google how to spell it, almost wrote Kracklin), I'm glad Sean's getting more work and Kraglin had agency in the film. He better pray Drax doesn't realize he whistled his way.
Not being an original comics fan, I knew from the periphery that they would be back because of a light spoiler glance, so it was cool to see them.
Wait.
Guys.
What if the reason why Avengers Infinity War Part II doesn't have a full title and Feige isn't saying it "because revealing it now would be spoilers" is because
It's actually GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY: INFINITY WAR
And I kinda wanted Fox on the Run to be in the film actual.
Okay I'm done, time to try to sleep.
I feel like we got a Great Film, but still Formula.
Ego, I was glad that he did end up ultimately being the villain. I will say when he showed the first time that he found intelligent life, the most logical question would have been to ask how that encounter went, but seeing as how this was Ego explaining himself to his son, Peter asking how Ego actually met HIS mom worked naturally. It was also the first red flag for us the viewer, because the question that Ego presumably had the whole time was "What about life outside of myself?" and the answer ended up being "Eh, fuck other life." (Um... Yes, in both senses of that word.)
I dreaded it, I dreaded the other shoe dropping between Ego and Meredith, but MAN, putting that tumor in her brain himself?? I just about went "Fuck you, you are irredeemably evil. Peter SHOOT HIS ASSoh okay you got that covered." I remember I think it was SDCC last year when James Gunn talked about how this film would answer the question of how a being like Ego would reconcile his loneliness in the cosmos apart from others, and I guess I'm in the group that bought into such a being ultimately thinking only of himself. The happy ending as we humans see it would have been Ego abandoning that mission of his to stay on Earth, have Meredith and Peter as his family (even if Peter wouldn't have that celestial power as the planet would be gone without Ego), and instead we got the villain of this picture.
I really, REALLY wanted Ego or Peter to accidentally hit the other with that Celestial Energy Baseball in their game of catch and it'd be like "OH NO R U OK" like a laugh beat, but it really would have been forced too. Things like that, like in GotG1 when Peter drops the Orb before he can hand it to the Collector, you can't force it, and that accident actually happened on set and Pratt played it straight to that film's benefit.
Gamora... I liked it more when she had not-Starlord things to do. It's good that there's a moral center and a level-headed individual in the group, but I feel like with what I gather of her history in the comics there's more that could be done. I liked the dynamic with her and Nebula most of all for her. If anything, I appreciate that they didn't go for a kiss at the end of this movie. Try to go for as organic a romance over multiple films as we can, maybe? Is Gamora and Peter the first couple in a Marvel film to not kiss on the second film? Pepper couldn't escape it, after all.
Not all the jokes landed for me personally, but the crowd was a good one tonight. Holy moley, Dave Bautista as Drax and Michael Rooker as Yondu. A+ MVPs for this film. "I'M MARY POPPINS Y'ALL!!" is some T-shirt bait that I am ashamed to say I'd go for, especially considering Yondu's ultimate fate. RIP in Peace, Yondu.
Sean Gunn's character, Kraglin (I remembered his name but had to Google how to spell it, almost wrote Kracklin), I'm glad Sean's getting more work and Kraglin had agency in the film. He better pray Drax doesn't realize he whistled his way.
Not being an original comics fan, I knew from the periphery that they would be back because of a light spoiler glance, so it was cool to see them.
Wait.
Guys.
What if the reason why Avengers Infinity War Part II doesn't have a full title and Feige isn't saying it "because revealing it now would be spoilers" is because
It's actually GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY: INFINITY WAR
And I kinda wanted Fox on the Run to be in the film actual.
Okay I'm done, time to try to sleep.
never go full dc
And then Starlord follows up by shooting the shit out of Ego. You do not mess with le familia.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Sure but it doesn't fit the narrative of the song selection being about his absence.
It's a nice but flimsy movie.
It feel like they took what the people liked in the first one and cranked it up to "too much level"
Half the movie is useless pop references, and there's way too much comedy, even when there shouldn't be. That pac man scene was ridiculous, it gave me Pixel movie vibes.
It's also inconsequential, never once I felt the universe was in any danger as it was so poorly written and so fast compared to the movie duration and there's a lack of connection to the MCU.
Yondu's death came way too soon in the Guardian's story, He needed at least one more movie so we could get really attached to him, now it only feel shoe horned in the movie for the sake of creating emotions. Which is too bad as he has the coolest scene of the movie by far, and man, that power level!
Groot and Drax are useless, they're just comic relief.
Ego's was okay but felt like a moron at times, stating he killed Starlord's mother was useless, though it can be link to his trouble understanding feeling correctly because of his nature, him not keeling the team when he trap them all at the end is also hard to understand.
But it does develop some characters, introduce new one to the Guardians and I felt like the movie tried to correct the power level of the characters, all of them seem way stronger now, drax being dragged by a spaceship through a forest and coming out unscathed, Gamora lifting things..etc
It feel like they took what the people liked in the first one and cranked it up to "too much level"
Half the movie is useless pop references, and there's way too much comedy, even when there shouldn't be. That pac man scene was ridiculous, it gave me Pixel movie vibes.
It's also inconsequential, never once I felt the universe was in any danger as it was so poorly written and so fast compared to the movie duration and there's a lack of connection to the MCU.
Yondu's death came way too soon in the Guardian's story, He needed at least one more movie so we could get really attached to him, now it only feel shoe horned in the movie for the sake of creating emotions. Which is too bad as he has the coolest scene of the movie by far, and man, that power level!
Groot and Drax are useless, they're just comic relief.
Ego's was okay but felt like a moron at times, stating he killed Starlord's mother was useless, though it can be link to his trouble understanding feeling correctly because of his nature, him not keeling the team when he trap them all at the end is also hard to understand.
But it does develop some characters, introduce new one to the Guardians and I felt like the movie tried to correct the power level of the characters, all of them seem way stronger now, drax being dragged by a spaceship through a forest and coming out unscathed, Gamora lifting things..etc
Ego's ego is so fucking huge that he actually thought that was a tragic story where he was the victim. Oh I loved her so much that I had to murder her so I could focus on my work. What the fuck
Not often I hear audible gasps from a theater but that got some. Also, like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I fucking love that Peter just unloaded on him the second he heard that. Didn't even think twice.
Wolverine game maybe?
Zeyphersan
Banned
I'll agree with the bolded. I felt like the first two acts were alright but definitely weaker, but the third act hit it out of the park. Perfect GotG act.
Halfway through I had planned on coming into this thread and making a "no one died, no steak" joke and then I finished the movie. Whoops.
brianjones
Member
Lol for real.. when that's the first thing you think of that's not a good thing
also wrt to Mantis I couldn't help but think of the born sexy yesterday trope
Ego sees the song from the perspective of the guy who leaves. He's incapable of realising the song is about Brandy (Meredith) because he's taken the song literally.
I'm sure he has heard it plenty of times, but he's never really listened to it. It's thematic of how he knows things without understanding them. He's basically a teenager who thinks Nirvana is cool but doesn't know what the songs are actually about.