Thats a strange way to spell 177
Edit: You could not be aware of the actual number - Please dont understand this as a post in a angry way - From the way what actually happened in Sokovia, it looked far worse then 177.
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Thats a strange way to spell 177
Edit: You could not be aware of the actual number - Please dont understand this as a post in a angry way - From the way what actually happened in Sokovia, it looked far worse then 177.
I want to see the villain of a Guardians movie actually accept this challenge. Maybe next time.
I was going to write a respond to this but I think I'm just going to use Ithil post. It's just mostly nitpicking.
MoonsaultSlayer
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People are saying thumb, but I'm pretty sure it's a toe.
Rocket says "please tell me you have a fridge somewhere with a bunch of human toes in it..." or something to that effect.
Rocket says "please tell me you have a fridge somewhere with a bunch of human toes in it..." or something to that effect.
The people dogpiling on Vipershark for not liking this movie seem way more riled than he does. This thread is pretty hostile for a movie with a talking raccoon.
Gordon Shumway
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I thought so as well.
I respectfully disagree, we've had plenty of good back n forths. Do you honestly think his initial post was worthy of a serious response?
I've been saying that. It's a toe. Some poor smuck didn't even wake up when Groot took his toe.
bigboss370
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i kinda expected the final battle to be a lot grander than just Ego and Starlord flying at each other while they form rocks around their bodies. Ego is supposed to be a celestial, I'm sure he can do cooler shit than that. Especially when he's so close to the source of his power.
Also, am I recalling wrong or did Ego make himself into human form BEFORE he went out looking for other life?
Also, am I recalling wrong or did Ego make himself into human form BEFORE he went out looking for other life?
Vipershark
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And yet there is still yet to be an actual reply to my legitimate post which was posted specifically because someone asked for elaboration, followed by y'all trying to say I'm the one riled up when my first post in here was absolutely legitimate as well, which got responses like "oh you only care about what reddit thinks"
Like if you guys don't have anything to actually discuss or refute that's fine but drop the superiority complex
People on here wonder why outsiders think GAF posters are insufferable, this is why
Jest Chillin
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It gets tiresome replying to a critique comprised in the fashion of a laundry list. Especially one comprised of nothing but negatives. But sure, since you asked.
He's neither obscene nor is he a womanizer. He had an attractive and powerful woman hit on him and responded positively to it, then retracted when he realized, "oh the girl I really like doesn't like this." Outside of that his only romantic focus in the movie is Gamora. That's neither obscene nor womanizing.
He's always been a "jerk on purpose." Even throughout the first movie. He also was very subconscious about what he is as a creature, in the first movie. He's still the technical expert here as they showcase him rigging up the sound system, repairing the ship, and rigging the batteries to a bomb. AND they actually chose to acknowledge his defense mechanism of pushing people away this time. "Stop being a jerk on purpose" is a gross simplification of a legitimate character fault that psychologically makes perfect sense given the characters past.
Drax is exactly the same character here but he has less personal stakes since Thanos isn't even in the periphery of this film. In both films, he comes across dumb at times not just because of his missing social cues but also because his values are generally the exact opposite of the rest of the crew. In both movies he's shown to have more depth when he has moments to explains his logic and is given the chance to showcases his emotional depth. He does it more in this film as opposed to the first as well (Some people are dancers/some are not, better to be ugly on the outside, Mantis' revealing the depth of sadness he carries due to the loss of his family). Finally, the enemies in this film provide almost zero opportunities for hand to hand combat, so what exactly should he be doing? He takes part in the first fight and after that supports his crew.
Given how unique your views have been on other characters, I think you should explain because I really have no idea what your interpretation of Groot is.
Gamora doesn't have goals in this one other than trying to keep the Rocket and Peter from butting heads to all of their detriment and dealing with Nebula. To that extent, neither does Drax, Rocket, or Groot. However she does see development through Nebula, in coming to the realization that, again, keeping everyone at arms length with stoicism doesn't serve anyone well. Doing so in the past made a rival and eventually enemy out of a sister who could have been an ally and doing so in the present primed Peter to be manipulated by Ego even moreso than he already would have been.
The characters weren't gutted. Their flaws took center stage because the stakes, as they viewed them for most of the movie, were not big enough to put those things to the side. So they relished in it. Which makes perfect sense. This movie takes place 2 months after the conclusion of the first one (The flashback shows Ego and Meredith in 1980 and coming back to the present as 34 years later). So this film takes place in 2014 just as the first one does. They've barely been together as a team and the events of the first movie forced them to work together to survive throughout most of that film. In this film, they're facing smaller opposition that each of them are used to dealing with separately, so they don't band together, they squabble over it. It makes perfect sense. The entire group is a bunch of loner misfits with heavy issues. It would be unrealistic for them to never have to address this stuff and still be expected to work well together for a giant threat (a giant threat that they don't even realize exists until the last 3rd of the movie!) So this film gives the characters (for the most part) the chance to make some progress with those issues while focusing primarily on Peter's deep seeded father issues and establishing Gamora and Nebula's frenemy status. And that's ok. We'll see more personal Gamora and Drax stuff as Thanos comes back into focus again. Rocket and Groot have space to grow in any direction. Mantis will grow with exposure to the whole crew. Peter and Gamora have space to develop as well.
And none of that has anything to do with whether or not the film is a comedy. Why you're connecting character development gripes with the amount of jokes made I have no idea because one does not supersede the other. You can have neither in a film, you can have both in a film, or you can have any mixed percentage in a film. If you think there were too many jokes, cool. That's a reasonable critique. But your stance that they sacrificed or removed existing character advancement for the sake of jokes doesn't pass muster.
Vipershark
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Thank you for the actual reply.
Gimme a minute to read over this...
Gimme a minute to read over this...
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Eh, I don't know. "The Chain" kicking up after Peter's flashbacks was pretty grand.
Everything you've written is indicative of one getting riled up because his li'l rant got made fun of. Excuse us for not taking you seriously. You seem very intense. I'm happy to see someone had the patience to engage with your 2nd post.
MoonsaultSlayer
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They needed the bass line somewhere though....
BronsonLee
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Dug it. Kurt Russell, Space Gigolo~
Could've done without all the emotional line then immediate quip stuff, but eh. Not a fan of Ego being the one to plant the tumor either. Forgetting her name or just not giving a shit would've been fine.
But whew lad this movie looked good, colors poppin all over. And I'm a sucker for a group circling shot so that was cool as all hell
Could've done without all the emotional line then immediate quip stuff, but eh. Not a fan of Ego being the one to plant the tumor either. Forgetting her name or just not giving a shit would've been fine.
But whew lad this movie looked good, colors poppin all over. And I'm a sucker for a group circling shot so that was cool as all hell
TheDarkKnight774
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Just saw it and didn't really like it. I felt the entire tone, pacing, etc felt really uneven and off. Like it didn't know what it wanted to be? It'd go cute comedy, to crass comedy, to over the top action, to a good portion characters yelling about their painful pasts at each other, to whatever. It didn't help that I found a lot more of the jokes didn't land as well for me as the the first. I'm still not sure why groot turned into a total moron in this film, but his act really didn't do much for me in this one. I got to go back and watch the first, I don't remember him being that dumb. And at the end this really wasn't the type of sequel and or follow up that I was hoping for. I really didn't care that much about who peter's dad was. I don't know why they changed it for the movies but it didn't really make things stronger in my eyes. And why would Ego just blurt out "oh yea I killed your mom with a tumor" yea that's a good way of winning him over.
To me I would have loved a Cowboy Bebop style sequel where the team takes on some odd jobs, gets in over their head into something much bigger, and stumbles into doing the right thing to save the day. And to pick up some other members like Cosmo and mantis
To me I would have loved a Cowboy Bebop style sequel where the team takes on some odd jobs, gets in over their head into something much bigger, and stumbles into doing the right thing to save the day. And to pick up some other members like Cosmo and mantis
Poor GRIMES
Banned
I like the movie.
I thought some of the scenes that tried to be emotional were really jarring within the film, to be honest.
I thought some of the scenes that tried to be emotional were really jarring within the film, to be honest.
MoonsaultSlayer
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This didn't happen? The opening was an odd job, got in over their heads (chased by the Soverign), stumbled onto something bigger (Ego), saved the day and picked up a couple new members.
Did you see it? =P
JoshuaJSlone
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I think he just displayed it that way for simplicity of sharing the story with his human son.
As someone with zero non-movie knowledge of Groot, it seemed clear they meant for him to be different in more than size, going through earlier developmental periods. If he still has all his old knowledge, his baby form can't make such good use of it.TheDarkKnight774 said:
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Miss the part where he's a freakin' baby? Lol
TheDarkKnight774
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Yes I saw it. Ego inserting himself in the story and completely dominating it isn't what I'm talking about. And even the first job is not really shown because they wanted to have groot dance on screen
He is a Baby.
BronsonLee
Member
Living planet tho
Edit: Also fuckin dead at Zune and Mary Poppins. Yondu q.q Rocket was such a molten level asshole in this one though. Every bad thing pre-Ego was all on him
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Babies are morans..
killertofu
Member
As someone who usually hates Marvel movies...
I really dug this one. I think it being in space lends it more easily to its comedic sensibilities, which usually annoys me in normal Marvel movies
I really dug this one. I think it being in space lends it more easily to its comedic sensibilities, which usually annoys me in normal Marvel movies
Jest Chillin
Member
I definitely saw shades of my own Toddler in Groot. And that Stinger with Groot was freaking hilarious.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Some people hate children..it's a thing.
Vipershark
Member
I noticed that too.
According to his story, he definitely gave himself a human form before encountering any life in the universe, much less humans which had to have happened thousands of years later.
Yes he is. The first movie repeatedly references how promiscuous he is with female aliens (the "Jackson Pollock Painting" joke is the most obvious example but really it's everywhere all over the movie) which is reinforced by him flirting with the Gold lady, but Gamora being there causes him to knock it off when she gives him the "I'll kill you" look. Sure, he chose to settle down with her, but if she wasn't around and/or had she not been in the vicinity you can be sure it would have gone further. Maybe not all the way, but further than it did, for sure.
He's definitely still obscene though, he directly admits he'd "create some fucked-up shit" using his god powers and that's just one example of many throughout both movies. He's not malicious about it or anything, but he is definitely obscene with his humor and thoughts.
You aren't necessarily wrong, but it wasn't done very well. In the original movie I felt that Rocket was a well-rounded character who even though he was a raccoon had a lot of potential and backstory to go into. This movie just has him kind of moping around a lot and pushing people away and while they do make some allusions to the scientists that caused him to be that way, there would have been infinitely more payoff had they actually done flashback scenes showing what caused him to become so angry or in some way had Rocket be able to strike back at the people who experimented on him or use his skills to overcome his issues or something.
Instead it's just kind of "you push people away, stop that" and he's like "oh i do, huh" and ...that's really about it.
There wasn't much of a payoff with his conflicts with Quill throughout the movie either, they just kind of stopped arguing.
That's the problem, Drax's only real scene of any substance in this movie was the one where Mantis felt his sadness for his family. I just remembered the scene where he flies behind the ship with the gun and that was kind of cool, but it still felt like a waste of potential overall. During the opening fight where there WAS hand-to-hand going on they could have at least had him do some cool brutal warrior stuff to take down the enemy but they reserved that for Gamora instead since he took the comedy option. I feel like it would have been better to have Gamora's big scenes be the fights with her sister nd Drax could have been given the kill on the big bad at the beginning to balance it out a bit, but instead they make him look like an idiot for laughs. You do have a point in that there wasn't much hand-to-hand going on but they could have tried to maximize it where possible, y'know?
Otherwise it was just HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I MADE A FUNNY and when it worked it worked well, but when it didn't it fell hard.
What do you really even want me to say that hasn't been already said? They wasted too much time on Groot-centric scenes because he was the popular character from the first movie. It was 100% pandering. "But it was only three scenes!" Yeah and they were all long and had no real overall substance to the story and were only set up for laughs.
Groot was mostly a joke character in the original as well but still managed to have legitimate characterization which wasn't present in this movie. They made him worse and turned him into a moron.
I can't argue with this, I didn't actually have a problem with Gamora or her arc in this movie outside of the fact that not much really happened.
(your next paragraph was fine)
It absolutely does. The movie only has X amount of screen time and X amount of budget. The more time they dedicate to shoehorning in jokes as opposed to giving the characters actual characterization, the less time there is for this characterization to take place, meaning it'll hen have to be squeezed into future movies.
I have no problem with the movie having jokes, nor do I have any problem with comedies; as I said before, I greatly enjoyed GotG1. What bothered me is that the movie came across as though they specifically tried to fit in as many jokes as possible, often to the detriment of everything else that was going on.
I feel that the comparison I made to Portal 2 was pretty apt: Had the game spent most of its script making callbacks to cake jokes it'd be boring and annoying, but instead it went to do new things and made its own jokes and references (see: Potato memes). GotG2 on the other hand feels like it tried to rehash what GotG1 created while upping the percentage of it as far as possible, as opposed to building on the base that the first movie created with its own original stuff.
BronsonLee
Member
Mantis not being able to handle Drax's grief hit me hard
As did Yondu making the same sacrifice Peter did in the first movie but with the added caveat of Yondu knew there wasn't any saving happening
Also going back to it, Ego saying he planted that tumor in Peter's mother made me want him INSTANTLY dead
As did Yondu making the same sacrifice Peter did in the first movie but with the added caveat of Yondu knew there wasn't any saving happening
Also going back to it, Ego saying he planted that tumor in Peter's mother made me want him INSTANTLY dead
Shit. So many small details.
Yeah, great moment. Peter's reaction was so quick it was almost blink-and-you-miss-it.
Nobody fucks with Mer.
While i saw the heel turn coming early (as intended) i was surprised at the extent of his buffonery.
Secret Fawful
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So I um...I owned a Zune as a teenager. lol
That was such a weird product to reference.
That was such a weird product to reference.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
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From
I can see eternity and maybe even Eternity
to
YOU KILLED MY MOM.
Love it.
Funny thing, I got a code for a free Mother's Day bouquet with my online ticket purchase for this movie. Unusually clever marketing there.
BronsonLee
Member
The product referencing (I don't even know if it's product placement at this point) is so weird with GOTG
Sony Walkman
Microsoft Zune
Dairy Queen
Music from almost every major record label
It helps that Disney never really got into any of those avenues otherwise it'd be like a Bond film with Sony shit everywhere
Sony Walkman
Microsoft Zune
Dairy Queen
Music from almost every major record label
It helps that Disney never really got into any of those avenues otherwise it'd be like a Bond film with Sony shit everywhere
Bruce Springsteen
Member
This thread is hilarious
Enjoy the last few Movies before they are getting bought by Apple
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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They should have made Ego more...disconnected? Like he didn't fully understand humans I guess, so that he could have delivered the line about killing Peter's mom like he really didn't understand how big of a deal it was. As it stood though, Ego seemed to understand humans perfectly fine and probably knew what kind of reaction Peter would have.