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[RSB]

Some PvP news that has me soured now:

-4v4 across all PvP game modes which is already known, Means RIP Crucible trains
-Heavy Ammo only allotted to the person who picks it up, which is good to stop 12 people having rockets and machine guns up at a point, but since your Sniper, Shotgun and Fusion are all heavy weapons now, only one person will have that any any given point. Which makes the game less "play how you want" like the first and more "play like Halo Reach" with one power weapon on map and abilities everywhere.
-Titan/Warlock skating got canned. So RIP interesting movement mechanics.

Overall looks like they're trying to get Halo players back, which is cool for Halo players, but not so cool for people who liked Destiny more. It's not like they're letting people maintain accuracy while they jump so it'll just be Halo but dumber.

Yeah, that shit annoyed the hell out of me. In fact, it was those awful accuracy penalties that made me stop playing the game (same thing with Titanfall)

I haven't watched anything yet (can't right now) but I'm curious. Have they changed anything at all about how they handle that stuff in Destiny 2? (ADS/hip fire accuracy, accuracy penalties when jumping, movement speed penalty when aiming, etc,)

 

[Ramirez]

No more snipers/shotguns off spawn is the greatest thing I've ever heard.

 

[ZeoVGM]

So much for being solo friendly, Bungie. I once again see no point in not allowing guided games for heroics. Hopefully we're not seeing the full picture just yet and there is more info to disclose this.

I'm trying to be a little optimistic here. Let's look at it again.

I would assume that hovering over the difficulty makes the options below appear.

Because honestly, if this doesn't work for heroic Nightfall and Raids, that makes this entire thing completely pointless. I refuse to believe they' would do something so stupid.

Also, we know that it's available for Trials as well. But I hope it's also available for every other activity, including story missions. Would be fun to do the daily/weekly heroic story people. (i.e. I would actually do it.)

 

[GlamFM]

So I tried to make a bulleted list of all the stuff I noticed from the presentation. I stopped watching when the Blizzard guy came on, but I'm pretty sure there is a whole thread dedicated to that info:

• Start Fresh
  • World that pulls you in
  • Build amazing things to do
  • Always someone to play with
• First mission is called "Homecoming"
  • Cabal attack the Tower and Traveller
  • Weapons are now Kinetic, Elemental, Power. Kinetic and Elemental can overlap. A lot of 1HKO weapons moved to Power.
  • Sunsinger has been replaced/overhauled
  • Bladedancer has been replaced/overhauled
  • Novabomb seems to still exist.
  • SMG shown as Kinetic weapon.
  • Pulse rifle shown as elemental weapon.
  • Rocket shown as Power weapon.
  • Another pulse shown as elemental weapon.
  • Grenade Launcher shown as Power weapon.
  • Legionary and Psions still there.
  • Bosses have more unique health bars.
  • SMG shown as kinetic weapon (acts like a LMG).
  • Sol Sword seems to be new Warlock Super.
  • Third ability that is some kind of ground stomp for Warlocks.
  • Cabal enemy speaks english.
• All your old weapons/armor are gone.
• Gall is new big bad of the Cabal Red Legion.
  
• The old Vanguard leaders are split up.
  • Story means your powers are gone/diminished.
  • Basically explain away having to start fresh.
  • Cabal sever the Traveller from the Guardians.
  • Enemy Cabal shown with liquid flamethrower.
  • Cabal with energy shields shown.
  • Dawnblade new Sol Warlock subclass.
  • Sentinel new Void Titan subclass.
  • Arcstrider new Arc Hunter subclass.
  • Some kind of tank has been shown, not sure if Guardian or Cabal.
• "More to do than any game we've ever made"
  • New main story will send us across the system.
  • More cinematics and missions.
  • Strikes are back.
  • Inverted Spire available to play today.
  • New Desination Nessus.
  • Crucible is now 4v4 on all game modes.
  • HUD shows you if your teammates have supers available or power ammo on them.
  • New maps
  • New modes
  • One new mode is called Countdown. Attack/Defense mode.
  • Brand new raid. It exists, don't expect any info beyond that.
  • Desinations/Patrols are overhauled.
  • Can launch everything without going to orbit.
  • Mats, Chests, Public Events coming back.
  • Adventures, Treasure Maps, and Lost Sectors are now part of Patrols.
  • Better in-game map that will even show Public Event timers.
  • Four Desinations (3 new worlds).
  • Earth (European Dead Zone)
  • Titan (Saturn's Moon and an Ocean world)
  • IO (Jupiter's Moon)
  • Nessus (Not in our System. Vex world)
    
    
    • Sparrows are back, shown in the EDZ.
    • EDZ is largest zone they've ever built by factor of two.
    • Zavala goes to Titan.
    • Methane Ocean.
    • Huge structures.
    • No landmass.
    • Cayde goes to Nessus (planetoid).
    • Vex machine world.
    • Looks Black Garden-ish.
    • Ikora goes to Io.
    • Last place Traveller touched.
    • Very sacred place.
• In-Game Clan Functionality.
• People will work towards Clan rewards of some kind.
• System in place to help stray/solo guardians fill in slots to larger groups for end game content.
• Some kind of demon dog enemy shown.
  
• When talking about Raiding screen shows Level 20, Light Level 280.
• Character named Hawthorne in the EDZ.
• Explosive throwing knives seen.

Thank you!

 

[nillapuddin]

Best of luck to all the players who need/use the Guided Games function, I am definitely a little iffy on it, but I hope it works out

I dont want to make this anything about console wars, I hate that crap, but I do want to mention, if you play on Xbox, the LFG feature is very very cool and it works well.

2 weekends in a row we were either down 1-2 players or someone had to go abruptly and we finished our raids with LFG players, it was pretty cool.

 

[ZeoVGM]

It also mentions "Nightfall Pass Required (10 remaining)". So I assume that will be some kind of currency used to keep people from trolling.

I think that's just to play the Nightfall in general. Like the ticket for Challenge of the Elders?

 

[BroodShadow]

A lot of the Destiny 1 problems were attributed specifically to the engine wasnt it ?

It was not properly updated to get content out quickly and it was not made with current gen in mind both of those things can and seem to be fixed given the scale of the game.

The issue was never gameplay systems or how the engine handled audio it was how often it had to load or how last gen held the game back.

 

[sjay1994]

Lore in my Destiny that's not Bungie.net?!

Actual gamechanger.

 

[panama chief]

LORRRREEEEEE

Lore in my Destiny that's not Bungie.net?!

hell yes!!!

 

[Midas]

I love that they haven't spoiled us by showing all exotics, yet.

 

[hank_tree]

I think that's just to play the Nightfall in general. Like the ticket for Challenge of the Elders?

Yeah it might be cross character. So you have ten passes/loot chances per week but you can use them across all characters.

 

[BLCKATK]

So much for being solo friendly, Bungie. I once again see no point in not allowing guided games for heroics. Hopefully we're not seeing the full picture just yet and there is more info to disclose this.

That's absolute bullshit if they are still not allowing the "real" Nightfall to have this feature.

Hopefully when you hover over "Heroic" the options pop up.

I assume the "Guide" option will let you look for people if you already have people in your Fireteam so that shouldn't be an issue I guess.

Way too early to tell what the details of this situation are going to be.

Say Nightfall difficulties have been adjusted so Normal is the same as what we are used to now, and Heroic is an additional challenge feature. Then it makes sense to have Normal Nightfalls allow you to use Guided Games.

If you want more challenge (Heroic) then hopefully Guided Games has introduced you to a player or several players you would like to team up with for the extra Challenge.

A lot of speculation here, but this lines up exactly with what Bungie's MO has been for the social aspect of this game. The challenging stuff requires allies, and part of that challenge is meeting others with similar goals.

Also as an added note: You can be sure that Heroic mode for Raids will not have Guided Games as an option.

 

[Robdraggoo]

No more snipers/shotguns off spawn is the greatest thing I've ever heard.

If your talking pvp, thats in there now

 

[Kor of Memory]

So Nessus is in our system. My apologies.

Here is the Wiki entry for it:

7066 Nessus (/ˈnɛsəs/; from Greek: Νέσσο&#962 is a centaur (a type of icy minor planet) that was discovered by David L. Rabinowitz, working with Spacewatch, at Kitt Peak on 26 April 1993. It was the second centaur found by him (5145 Pholus being his previous find), and the third centaur discovery (2060 Chiron, discovered by Charles Kowal in 1977, was the first). Nessus was officially announced on May 13, 1993, in IAUC 5789 with designation 1993 HA2.

Orbit[edit]
7066 Nessus has an orbital period of 122.4 years, an eccentricity of 0.52 and an inclination to the ecliptic of 15.6 degrees. At perihelion, it moves much closer to the Sun than Uranus, while at aphelion it moves out well beyond the orbit of Neptune.

The orbits of centaurs are unstable due to perturbations by the giant planets. Nessus is an "SE object" because currently Saturn controls its perihelion and its aphelion is within the Edgeworth–Kuiper belt.[5] Nessus is estimated to have a relatively long orbital half-life of about 4.9 Myr.[5] Fifty clones of the orbit of Nessus suggest that Nessus will not pass within 1AU (150 Gm) of a planet for at least twenty thousand years.[6]

 

[GuitarAtomik]

I think that's just to play the Nightfall in general. Like the ticket for Challenge of the Elders?

So a limit on how many times you can wipe in Nightfalls in general? Definitely a possibility. Don't think I'd be a fan of that though.

 

[KillLaCam]

Some PvP news that has me soured now:

-4v4 across all PvP game modes which is already known, Means RIP Crucible trains
-Heavy Ammo only allotted to the person who picks it up, which is good to stop 12 people having rockets and machine guns up at a point, but since your Sniper, Shotgun and Fusion are all heavy weapons now, only one person will have that any any given point. Which makes the game less "play how you want" like the first and more "play like Halo Reach" with one power weapon on map and abilities everywhere.
-Titan/Warlock skating got canned. So RIP interesting movement mechanics.

Overall looks like they're trying to get Halo players back, which is cool for Halo players, but not so cool for people who liked Destiny more. It's not like they're letting people maintain accuracy while they jump so it'll just be Halo but dumber.

Im a Halo player who actually loved Reach and none of those things made me happy. 4v4s will be alot slower and less epic. Than Destiny 6v6s, no more hype team wipes or anything. Killing 4 people doesn't feel as cool as killing 6.

The ammo situation is really lame but doesn't bother me that much. Hopefully that means the heavy person will drop ammo on death.

Why'd they remove skating?

 

[MilkBeard]

Not sure about 4x4 but loved everything they showed. Hyped.

I loved the bigger battles, so it's a shame. However, I think, even though they are aiming for smaller battles doesn't mean they can't add a mode with bigger teams/more people. I think if people make noise they will add the option in a later update or DLC or something.

 

[Smokey_Run]

Yeah it might be cross character. So you have ten passes/loot chances per week but you can use them across all characters.

Maybe you have 10 chances to beat it in a week and once that's up, you can't use the guided system anymore and have to revert to outside means again. It would force people to actually try and give the activity an actual attempt unlike LFG where some bail on the first wipe.

 

[SargerusBR]

Lore in my Destiny that's not Bungie.net?!

MEGATON

 

[ByWatterson]

Okay, so this looks structurally identical to Destiny - am I missing anything?

Biggest question - how explorable in this, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is the original game, and 10 is Witcher/Fallout/Skyrim?

 

[Coolade]

Isn't 30 already confirmed?

From what I'm reading on reddit its 60fps 1080p, 4k mode is 30fps on ps4 (pro?).
Can't get a confirmation at all though.

 

[Magwik]

Okay, so this looks structurally identical to Destiny - am I missing anything?

Biggest question - how explorable in this, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is the original game, and 10 is Witcher/Fallout/Skyrim?

D1: 3
D2: 8

 

[Theorry]

4vs4 is a shame. Have a feeling they are trying to get their Halo thing back. But Destiny is not the game for that. And you know. There is still Halo.
6vs6 was fine for casual PVP.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Honestly I expect/want something like this at some point of the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5DWhEaPWD8
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPgujWNatnI
at the very least

 

[Dalto11]

Okay, so this looks structurally identical to Destiny - am I missing anything?

Biggest question - how explorable in this, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is the original game, and 10 is Witcher/Fallout/Skyrim?

Well with your scale that lands it at a 10 ;p. But really though, it's too hard to say right now. I've seen statements that their largest in game area is two times larger than D1's largest area (no names given on any of that either). And they mentioned treasure maps with dungeons on patrol with their own bosses.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Way too early to tell what the details of this situation are going to be.

Say Nightfall difficulties have been adjusted so Normal is the same as what we are used to now, and Heroic is an additional challenge feature. Then it makes sense to have Normal Nightfalls allow you to use Guided Games.

If you want more challenge (Heroic) then hopefully Guided Games has introduced you to a player or several players you would like to team up with for the extra Challenge.

A lot of speculation here, but this lines up exactly with what Bungie's MO has been for the social aspect of this game. The challenging stuff requires allies, and part of that challenge is meeting others with similar goals.

Also as an added note: You can be sure that Heroic mode for Raids will not have Guided Games as an option.

No, there is absolutely zero reason to introduce this if they don't let you use it for Heroic modes. That's complete nonsense and does not fix the issue at all.

It would be more pointless stubbornness from Bungie.

 

[Kor of Memory]

Okay, so this looks structurally identical to Destiny - am I missing anything?

Biggest question - how explorable in this, on a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is the original game, and 10 is Witcher/Fallout/Skyrim?

Question anyone who gives you are answer to this because there really isn't enough information out there to compare yet.

 

[SneakersSO]

I love that they haven't spoiled us by showing all exotics, yet.

They are attempting to save as much as possible for player discovery at launch. Saw how well received the community uncovering new activities and events as they were bringing them online for the first time was well received, have built upon that in many, many ways.

 

[CB3]

Stoked to see Luke up there doing the presentation. Ive known him for some years now. The passion he talks about having for Destiny isnt lip service, he very much feels that way about that game. That series is in the best possible hands going forward.

 

[Defect]

No more snipers/shotguns off spawn is the greatest thing I've ever heard.

.

 

[hank_tree]

They are attempting to save as much as possible for player discovery at launch. Saw how well received the community uncovering new activities and events as they were bringing them online for the first time was well received, have built upon that in many, many ways.

Well there's also 4 months of PR. They need to keep some things back.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

Finally caught up with the information and watched some footage. Looks like a bigger, better Destiny 1, with a far more interesting and cinematic story, with a plethora of QOL updates. Sounds great to me!

Admittedly I was hoping they would have some new playable races and at least one new class so that was disappointed. But everything else looks/sounds great. Anyone who enjoyed the first game I imagine is satisfied.

 

[Theorry]

"The warlocks class ability puts puts a smite on the ground that can either heal you and your teammates or buff your weapons."

 

[MilkBeard]

That flaming sword move looks cool as hell.

 

[bigJP]

D1: 3
D2: 8

from that video howd you get 8? putting any number for D2 is stupid at this point. D1 looked alot more open world in the trailers too

 

[ByWatterson]

Question anyone who gives you are answer to this because there really isn't enough information out there to compare yet.

Makes sense. That is worrying in and of itself, though. Seems like it'd be a Tier-1 bragging point.

 

[MosquitoSmasher]

I'm probably asking an impossible question, but what are the chances it will repeat the same mistakes the first one did? In that we will be going to the same locations a million times and the same goes for sub/real boss fights. I mean, I can't remember how many times I defeated that giant flying eye but it was waaaaaaaaay too much.

 

[Ryuuga]

Any summation of events or summary videos floating around?

 

[flkraven]

D1: 3
D2: 8

1
v
1.5

 

[Theorry]

"Gigz‏ @T1gigz
Golden gun can be fired up to 6 times but has a shorter duration"

 

[iTehDroiD]

Couple thoughts after watching the reveal with a friend:

Pretty dissapointed tech wise. 3 years later, complete focus on current gen and all we get are better particle effects? I know they probably made lots of changes under the hood like improving their shitty tools but they don't even have proper cloth physics on the hunters cloke etc. I feel like every AAA PS4 game right now has cloth physics (which I really love btw)

Furthermore all we get is 1 new subclass per class??? Really? Thats wat we got with an expansion 2 years ago. Additionally the warlock one looks exactly lkike the sunbreaker and the new hunter one looks like the bladedancer just with a different weapon.

The only big change imo (from what they have announced so far) are the new side quests and finally some characters that can talk to you in the open world.

If Taken King was Destiny 1.5, this looks like Desitny 1.6 to me. It all depends on the loot and progression system now for me. If they only changed a couple of things there I'm really dissapointed. Otherwise I will still most likely spend hundreds of hours in this game again.

Also taking 10+ minutes to announce Raid matchmaking is stupid as well. They could have easily patched this in Destiny 1 (yea maybe it would have been a little simpler) but still it feels like they only didn't do it so they got one more feature they could talk about for D2. (Like with CoD where they had to talk about every minor change because hardly anything changed and they needed something to market the game)

Biggest dissapointment for me is definitely that we only get one new subclass for each class. Or will they announce more in the future?

Edit: The menu and especially the character screen looks exactly the same. For a worthy sequel I kinda expect more than copy and paste their. Even the weapon description etc looked exactly like in D1.

 

[D1renegade]

Hmm, so far I'm just whelmed. Looks like they're still using the same engine. I wonder how many Strikes they'll have for launch...

 

[BroodShadow]

I would just like to comment on the graphics and framerate on console,I think they look fine and I think it was a conscious decision to not go crazy so they can still have the same or close to the same amount of mobs on screen without the engine buckling.

The encounter design would suffer a lot if they had less mobs in the raid fights.
It should also help them get content out faster.

Now with that being said i would love to see them add a option to unlock the framerate in PVP.

 

[yanipheonu]

I'm probably asking an impossible question, but what are the chances it will repeat the same mistakes the first one did? In that we will be going to the same locations a million times and the same goes for sub/real boss fights. I mean, I can't remember how many times I defeated that giant flying eye but it was waaaaaaaaay too much.

Grind is a natural part of this kind of game, so your mileage may vary. It's like asking for no grind in an MMO, it's sorta part of the genre.

They do seem to be allowing more variety of things to do on planet though. It's too early to tell what the grind will be, but it will exist.

 

[Midas]

"The warlocks class ability puts puts a smite on the ground that can either heal you and your teammates or buff your weapons."

That's amazing!

 

[R0ckman]

I can't imagine the developers wanting to have such scarce evolutions in ideas. I'd have so many ideas for a sequel, where is that something that is NEW, that is fresh? Where is that "This is Destiny 2" feeling? I see they have little tweaks here and there but it seems a bit unsettling. A new class or race out of the box, new race attributes, ANYTHING! Please!

The problem is that this sets the foundation of what to expect for this installment and the fact that most of it is QoL improvements makes me nervous.

 

[Van Bur3n]

No more snipers/shotguns off spawn is the greatest thing I've ever heard.

Yep. One big turn off for me during PVP. Cannot stand people spawning with shotguns and running around using just that. As a Halo dude, I'm all for these changes.

In terms of the new subclasses, I definitely like the look of the Sentinel and Dawnblade(?). That arc class for the Hunter I'm not too sure about. Looks like a Blade Dancer just with some cool animations to look at. One cool ability I saw during that Homecoming footage with the Warlock, the ability to instantly land on the ground when you're up in the air. That will be very helpful in a combat situation.

Also, is there really one new subclass and are they bringing back the old ones? I was hoping the old ones would get scrapped and we have two new ones to choose from, similar to the first game but with a new beginning with new subclasses. Reusing old ones and only having one new one makes this feel too much like an expansion rather than a full on sequel.

EDIT: Although reading over some of these posts makes it sound like they're changing the old ones quite a bit. Ah, maybe that's a bit better. I don't know.

 

[Marvel]

"Gigz‏ @T1gigz
Golden gun can be fired up to 6 times but has a shorter duration"

Haha, nice.

 

[Smokey_Run]

"The warlocks class ability puts puts a smite on the ground that can either heal you and your teammates or buff your weapons."

I was already talking about how to replace the bubble, since that Reddit leak proved true, and already talked about throwing the Titan barricade in front of the Warlock rift thing to somewhat simulate the titan bubble.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Still worried our characters are going to be nonexistent.
Had like a single line in the first game.