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[darkwing]

amazing scores, one of the best film of the year

 

[Eidan]

Look, I was disappointed in SS but to say it's objectively bad is bullshit because the movie had serious legs, which means a lot of people liked it. It played to the masses well enough that you really can't give WB that much shit for it. It really was their Guardians, like it or loathe it.

From a filmmaking standpoint, SS is kind of an objective shitshow. It's so poorly edited that even a layman can point it out.

 

[BBQMan]

BvS is widely considered to be an absolutely awful movie. I'll give you Man of Steel having a mixed reaction but let's not rewrite history on BvS.

Thats not true tho, aggregators put it out as average roughly 4.9/10. That ain't absolutely awful. Even tho it really was.

 

[Atraveller]

Everyone talking about their circle of friends and their opinions, are they all fellow nerds and comic book fans? Because my 12 year old niece and all of her friends fucking LOVE Suicide Squad. There is a market for everything, simple as that.

It really doesn't take a comic nerd to see it was a poorly made movie.

 

[LotusHD]

From a filmmaking standpoint, SS is kind of an objective shitshow. It's so poorly edited that even a layman can point it out.

Same with BvS. When people are making jokes about Lois having the power to teleport, that's when you know you fucked up.

 

[munchie64]

Those other films are gone now guys. They can't hurt you anymore.

 

[Mario007]

It really doesn't take a comic nerd to see it was a poorly made movie.

And yet the movie overperformed, had great legs, made as much as Guardians without opening in China, has a sequel and an spin off in development. Movie was successful as hell.

 

[ElyrionX]

Worth watching in IMAX?

 

[CaviarMeths]

BvS has redeeming qualities. There's a pretty decent 2 hour movie hiding in that 3 hour mess. It's not awful. Pretty much everything except MARTHA and the bad Lex casting could be fixed with another cut.

Suicide Squad is some legit B&R tier shit though. Worse than Fant4stic.

 

[Alienous]

I've said this before but I don't think Wonder Woman being good does a ton for the DCEU concept. She is a household name, and it has nothing to do with Batman v Superman - they could have made a Wonder Woman film anytime they wanted, DCEU or not.

This seems like the most standalone movie in the DCEU yet. I really think the onus in still on Justice League to be good, as that is the real proof of concept for the DCEU - that you can get people to like a film with Cyborg and Aquaman in it.

 

[Yager]

Those other films are gone now guys. They can't hurt you anymore.

You underestimate how damaged some of us are.

 

[Ashhong]

I find critics score for films don't mean much since there are many different scales with many different interpretations of what a score means.

The RT way of "is this positive or not" is clearer to me, and only 28% of critics liking the movie is pretty dour. It wasn't received well at all.

Edit: Also 44 at metacritic is awful too.

I mean...ok..but that's not what the conversation was about is all I'm saying. And I only brought it up because someone said BvS was a 5/10 for most, and another called him out for "rewriting the past" when that was pretty close to the truth. Not sure why 44 is awful. It's bad, but awful to me would be 1-2/10

It really doesn't take a comic nerd to see it was a poorly made movie.

Doesn't take a genius to see that that's not what I was talking about, at all.

 

[Einchy]

I know you masochists are disappointed but chins up, JL might suck, so you've got that to look forward to.

 

[Azoor]

So the DCU has finally got a good movie? Color me surprised.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Those other films are gone now guys. They can't hurt you anymore.

It's like Frodo and his wound from the Morgul blade... Even with just the sight of the marketing material, it feels fresh.


It will never fully heal. We will carry it the rest of our lives.

 

[shinra-bansho]

It looks like reviewers like the more cheerful tenor of Gal Gad.

So basically all DC had to do to get better reviews was be more like the MCU.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

But there's apparently some unnecessary bloat.

So they took too much inspiration.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[ZeoVGM]

You underestimate how damaged some of us are.

 

[Sanctuary]

Crow will be served.

From the start it just looked like it was heavily "inspired" by Captain America: The First Avenger to me. Which is to say, they just decided if not being able to beat Marvel with originality, just copy them. I don't know if this film will really play out to be anything like the aforementioned film aside from a "World War" standpoint, and fish out of water humor, but on the assumption that it was going to be similar, I felt from the start it had more of a chance than any of the other films since The Dark Knight. I expected decent reviews, but not quite at this level.

Finally.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

i knew it i dids i dids

wonderwoman slaaaaaays \o/

 

[adamy]

Thats not true tho, aggregators put it out as average roughly 4.9/10. That ain't absolutely awful. Even tho it really was.

4.9/10 translates to an F-

 

[hamchan]

I mean...ok..but that's not what the conversation was about is all I'm saying. And I only brought it up because someone said BvS was a 5/10 for most, and another called him out for "rewriting the past" when that was pretty close to the truth. Not sure why 44 is awful. It's bad, but awful to me would be 1-2/10

Oh, I guess I just disagree with the base notion that 4/10 is not an awful score. I would consider that a fail on most grading scales.

EDIT: Also like I said, a quarter of the critics liking it is more telling to me than a score in regards to judging what the majority consensus on a movie was.

 

[Inceptional]

From a filmmaking standpoint, SS is kind of an objective shitshow. It's so poorly edited that even a layman can point it out.

I agree that it's poorly edited. I totally disagree that even a layman could point it out. That was kind of my point.

But guys, can we please not turn this thread into another DCEU hate-on.

 

[CaviarMeths]

I mean...ok..but that's not what the conversation was about is all I'm saying. And I only brought it up because someone said BvS was a 5/10 for most, and another called him out for "rewriting the past" when that was pretty close to the truth. Not sure why 44 is awful. It's bad, but awful to me would be 1-2/10

Really depends on what kind of a scale the reviewer is employing. Some barely even use the lower half of the scale at all unless the movie is a thoroughly incompetent disaster like Plan 9 From Outer Space.

Lens cap off? Sound boom out of frame? Actor didn't look at the camera? 5/10!

Not saying that applies to BvS in particular.

 

[Candescence]

I'm honestly both relieved that Wonder Woman is both good and the only DCEU film so far that isn't a complete garbage fire, and also hoping it has a positive influence on the rest of the DCEU as a whole, because everything else Warner has been doing so far has been, again, a massive garbage fire, but with Justice League likely already too deep in production for Joss Whedon to save it from Snyder (though I'm gonna lay off the Synder hate for now due to his recent personal tragedy), I'm not hopeful that'll occur soon enough if ever, because Warner's approach to the DCEU has, again, been mostly a garbage fire and I'm surprised Wonder Woman actually made it through their incompetence while still being a good movie.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I mean...ok..but that's not what the conversation was about is all I'm saying. And I only brought it up because someone said BvS was a 5/10 for most, and another called him out for "rewriting the past" when that was pretty close to the truth. Not sure why 44 is awful. It's bad, but awful to me would be 1-2/10



Doesn't take a genius to see that that's not what I was talking about, at all.

If I get a 44, I fail a class. Not just like a finger wag, but I have to do that class over again.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Lens cap off? Sound boom out of frame? Actor didn't look at the camera? 5/10!

Not saying that applies to BvS in particular.

Yeh. It's pretty established lens cap on would have been a vast improvement.

 

[Theorry]

I'm honestly both relieved that Wonder Woman is both good and the only DCEU film so far that isn't a complete garbage fire, and also hoping it has a positive influence on the rest of the DCEU as a whole, because everything else Warner has been doing so far has been, again, a massive garbage fire, but with Justice League likely already too deep in production for Joss Whedon to save it from Snyder (though I'm gonna lay off the Synder hate for now due to his recent personal tragedy), I'm not hopeful that'll occur soon enough if ever, because Warner's approach to the DCEU has, again, been mostly a garbage fire and I'm surprised Wonder Woman actually made it through their incompetence while still being a good movie.

MoS wasnt complete garbage tho.
Critics wise.

 

[BBQMan]

Gal Godot haters can eat crow lol.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

I've said this before but I don't think Wonder Woman being good does a ton for the DCEU concept. She is a household name, and it has nothing to do with Batman v Superman - they could have made a Wonder Woman film anytime they wanted, DCEU or not.

This seems like the most standalone movie in the DCEU yet. I really think the onus in still on Justice League to be good, as that is the real proof of concept for the DCEU - that you can get people to like a film with Cyborg and Aquaman in it.

I really don't think Justice League matters all that much for the DCEU, as crazy as that might sound.

The train is rolling, Aquaman is shooting and a bunch of pretty safe commercial bets are on the way like Batman, Gotham City Sirens and Batgirl. And we'll propably hear about WB greenlighting a WW sequel in a few days.

JL might hurt Aquaman's box-office but even then, regardless of the quality of the film, if Momoa shines in it the same way Gadot did in BvS (for some people at least), it'll do fine. Well, fine for an Aquaman movie. And Cyborg... Yeah, it'll only happen if somehow the character ends up being beloved in JL. But it's not like anybody actually took that movie's announcement seriously.

 

[Harmen]

Damn! Those are some good ratings. Well, I look forward seeing it, hopefully I can watch it in the cinema.

 

[WhiteRabbitEXE]

Hot damn, about time DC.

 

[Mario007]

I'm honestly both relieved that Wonder Woman is both good and the only DCEU film so far that isn't a complete garbage fire, and also hoping it has a positive influence on the rest of the DCEU as a whole, because everything else Warner has been doing so far has been, again, a massive garbage fire, but with Justice League likely already too deep in production for Joss Whedon to save it from Snyder (though I'm gonna lay off the Synder hate for now due to his recent personal tragedy), I'm not hopeful that'll occur soon enough if ever, because Warner's approach to the DCEU has, again, been mostly a garbage fire and I'm surprised Wonder Woman actually made it through their incompetence while still being a good movie.

Aren't you the most stand up dude all around.

 

[Slaythe]

Oh, I guess I just disagree with the base notion that 4/10 is not an awful score. I would consider that a fail on most grading scales.

EDIT: Also like I said, a quarter of the critics liking it is more telling to me than a score in regards to judging what the majority consensus on a movie was.

So tell me, how many critics liked the Lynch movies, or more specifically, Fire Walk with Me, mister Dale Cooper avatar ? And is this movie now considered a cult movie ?

Ok then. I rest my case.

 

[Theecliff]

but i thought critics hated dc films?

Spoiler

/s

anyway, damned good scores - looks like it's gonna beat my 75-80% rt prediction from the locked thread unless a load of negative reviews come in after wide release, which doesn't look likely. i think i might try and convince my girlfriend to see this over the weekend when we have the chance instead of waiting until sometime next week.

IGN really went with that 7.9, huh? Just as someone in the old thread said they would.

ha, that was me

 

[mrklaw]

Tween friendly? Want to take my daughter this weekend if it isn't full of stabbing or too much innuendo

 

[Nepenthe]

Hoping that awesome score holds in the upcoming days. Go, Wonder Woman, go!

 

[hamchan]

So tell me, how many critics liked the Lynch movies, or more specifically, Fire Walk with Me, mister Dale Cooper avatar ? And is this movie now considered a cult movie ?

Ok then. I rest my case.

Uh what case?

Well yeah, the majority of critics all hated Fire Walk With Me when it released and now everyone loves it. I'm not trying to rewrite or shy away from history. Maybe the same reception change will happen with Batman v Superman, probably not.

I mean, I'm not saying anyone can't like BvS if they want to. I'm just saying that the majority of critics didn't like it, which is true.

 

[CMojicaAce]

I just went from "looking forward to it" to "fucking hyped!" Glad to see a DCEU film finally review well.

 

[AndersK]

Yeah, this is a great and somewhat unexpected turn. I'm so happy for everyone involved!

 

[ZeoVGM]

Uh what case?

Well yeah, the majority of critics all hated Fire Walk With Me when it released and now everyone loves it. I'm not trying to rewrite or shy away from history. Maybe the same reception change will happen with Batman v Superman, probably not.

I mean, I'm not saying anyone can't like BvS if they want to. I'm just saying that the majority of critics didn't like it, which is true.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that BvS will still be looked at poorly in 20 years.

 

[El Topo]

Well yeah, the majority of critics all hated Fire Walk With Me when it released and now everyone loves it.

That's simply not true. There has been an odd counter movement though.

 

[Oddduck]

I've said this before but I don't think Wonder Woman being good does a ton for the DCEU concept. She is a household name, and it has nothing to do with Batman v Superman - they could have made a Wonder Woman film anytime they wanted, DCEU or not.

This seems like the most standalone movie in the DCEU yet. I really think the onus in still on Justice League to be good, as that is the real proof of concept for the DCEU - that you can get people to like a film with Cyborg and Aquaman in it.

I still think it was a huge mistake to have team-up movies like BvS and Justice League so early.

They should have just focused on standalone movies like Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, etc, before having them team up.

 

[CaviarMeths]

I still think it was a huge mistake to have team-up movies like BvS and Justice League so early.

They should have just focused on standalone movies like Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, etc, before having them team up.

Solo movies with the members of the Suicide Squad being at least minor villains would have helped the whole slate. Would have prevented SS from having a disjointed as fuck first half and the need for the THIS IS KITAWNUH SHE'S GOT MAH BACK scene.

 

[Alienous]

I really don't think Justice League matters all that much for the DCEU, as crazy as that might sound.

The train is rolling, Aquaman is shooting and a bunch of pretty safe commercial bets are on the way like Batman, Gotham City Sirens and Batgirl. And we'll propably hear about WB greenlighting a WW sequel in a few days.

JL might hurt Aquaman's box-office but even then, regardless of the quality of the film, if Momoa shines in it the same way Gadot did in BvS (for some people at least), it'll do fine. Well, fine for an Aquaman movie. And Cyborg... Yeah, it'll only happen if somehow the character ends up being beloved in JL. But it's not like anybody actually took that movie's announcement seriously.

But I think Justice League hurting, or at least not helping Aquaman's box-office would mean that the DCEU is a failed concept. The reason why the MCU is such a success is that they used B-list characters to foster goodwill towards C-list characters (Doctor Strange, the Guardians of the Galaxy) - movies that won't have a close connection to A-list characters like Batman (i.e. Batgirl, Gotham City Sirens).

Wonder Woman had the potential for success with or without the DCEU, but I don't think characters like Aquaman and Cyborg do. They need a good lead-in, and I think Justice League is that movie.

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

Thor 3 will save us.

Not if Justice League does it first.

 

[jelly]

I still think it was a huge mistake to have team-up movies like BvS and Justice League so early.

They should have just focused on standalone movies like Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, etc, before having them team up.

Yeah, definitely but I'm not sure when Aquaman is set so that and Wonder Women might still work that way and then Flashpoint it in a way if they want and it never happened, good for actor changes as well.

 

[Ashhong]

If I get a 44, I fail a class. Not just like a finger wag, but I have to do that class over again.

This isn't school. In school it doesn't really matter how hard you fail. You can't tell me that a movie with a 1/10 is just as bad as a 4/10. One is inherently worse than the other. If you or whoever wants to call 4/10 absolutely awful that's fine. I do wonder what 3 2 1 would be labelled as though.

 

[BluenoseGames]

Wow!
I'm looking forward to seeing this after work on Thursday even more now.

 

[hamchan]

I think either way, whether they saved the team ups for later or not, the movies just had to be good. You keep a baseline quality that won't let people down and you'll be able to sell even D listers to people like Marvel does. Wonder Woman being very good sure helps with this and will definitely convince some people to watch an Aquaman movie.

 

[Inceptional]

This isn't school. You can't tell me that a movie with a 1/10 is just as bad as a 4/10. One is inherently worse than the other. If you or whoever wants to call 4/10 absolutely awful that's fine. I do wonder what 3 2 1 would be labelled as though.

This is why I avoid a 10-point scale, there's no need. All you need is 1-5 or letter grades.