Canadian Serial Killer Karla Homolka Volunteers at Elementary School

F0rneus said:
So for those of you joining us.

Karla Homolka is a Canadian serial killer and rapist who participated in the kidnapping, torture and murder of 3 teenage girls. The first victim was her own sister, Tammy whom her husband and accomplice Paul Bernardo wanted to rape. Karla drugged her 15 years old sister at at family party, and raped and killed her with Paul while filming the murder. After the funeral she rubbed a rose on Paul's penis and laid it on her sister's grave. She then wore her dead sister's clothes, and had sex with Paul in a homemade porn film shot in her Tammy's bed, while she was acting as Tammy. They went on to kidnap and murder two other teenage girls and made snuff films out of the crimes which include both Paul and Karla raping and torturing the girls. In the videos Paul piss and shit on the victims. One of the girls was dismembered and encased in cement.

Eventually they got caught but Karla played the part of abused victim. She was forced to helped Paul. The prosecution offered her a plea deal thinking her testimony would settle Paul's fate. After the deal was signed, they found their stash of snuff films and realized Karla was an active killer and rapist. But the law protected her rights to not incriminate herself. And she had disclosed a lot of good info. She got only 12 years because of the deal she made. Videos also showed her raping 4 other females victims.

While in prison, she became a manipulative queen bee who used female inmates and male guards for her entertainment and benefit. Prison psychiatrists diagnosed her as a malignant narcissist who probably pushed Paul to kill. He was a serial rapist but never a killer. She was deemed a danger and was refused release for as long as they could...but the deal was there. She was released. She immediately started dating a man who murdered a woman.

Now she is working at a school in Montreal with young girls. You might think this is not OK. Or not. Some Gaffers thinks she's rehabilitated despite the Canadian authorities's insistence that's she's not. You can google the case, and make up your own mind.
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She deserves death. Sickening stuff.
 
Kinitari said:
So thanks for at least trying to talk to me about this, that's fucking something.

Yeah, I think serial killer probably isn't a bad line for life in prison - if that's the law I don't think I'm protesting it. Obviously that's not an option in this case - so what is? I guess what your position is, is that we should rely on the society to sort of deal with her? As in exclude and shun her - but in this case society (the school) isn't - and I am trying to think why, and one of my only guesses is because of her kids. She has kids and they're in school, and the school knows that if they kick her our, her kids probably can't go to that school anymore - and then what school would take them except a public school? So then Karla is going to a public school to drop off her kids. Or would it be okay if she just didn't teach classes? I think that's legit - but I feel like that wouldn't be enough for most people.

So they kick her out, and her kids can't find any other schools except public - at this point should the government be appointing a caregiver to deal with these situations? Or should her kids be taken away? If her kids should be taken away, is there a legal avenue for that - and if so, why would it not have been employed already? Instinctively, I imagine it's because she's been 'cleared' for having kids, psychologically? Or is there a chance that they think she SHOULDN'T have kids?

I am trying to read about this sort of thing right now, I found a couple of links:

http://allthingscrimeblog.com/2014/...l-evaluation-abuse-victim-or-just-plain-evil/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/homolkas-psychiatric-report-released/article20422606/

if anyone else is even slightly as interested as I am.
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I assume that all legal recourse has been exhausted, meaning that Homolka cannot be prosecuted for the same crime (double jeopardy) and cannot be deprived of custody of her children. I assume this because it has not happened yet.

So, yes, it is up to society to deal with the situation within the bounds of the law. That does not mean shunning her completely, but it does mean (at a base minimum) that schools and other institutions charged with protecting children should not expose the children they are charged with protecting to an individual who videotaped herself raping, torturing, and/or murdering children because doing so would be the literal opposite of fucking protecting children. That she is being allowed to teach kids in any capacity is an outrage.

Hopefully, nothing bad comes from this, but should something happen I would hope to see everyone that was involved in the decision criminally prosecuted for their extreme recklessness and utter disregard for the safety of the children in their charge.

That's all I'll say on this one because everything about this case disgusts me.
 
F0rneus said:
So for those of you joining us.

Karla Homolka is a Canadian serial killer and rapist who participated in the kidnapping, torture and murder of 3 teenage girls. The first victim was her own sister, Tammy whom her husband and accomplice Paul Bernardo wanted to rape. Karla drugged her 15 years old sister at at family party, and raped and killed her with Paul while filming the murder. After the funeral she rubbed a rose on Paul's penis and laid it on her sister's grave. She then wore her dead sister's clothes, and had sex with Paul in a homemade porn film shot in Tammy's bed, while she was acting as Tammy. They went on to kidnap and murder two other teenage girls and made snuff films out of the crimes which include both Paul and Karla raping and torturing the girls. In the videos Paul piss and shit on the victims. One of the girls was dismembered and encased in cement.

Eventually they got caught but Karla played the part of abused victim. She was forced to helped Paul. The prosecution offered her a plea deal thinking her testimony would settle Paul's fate. After the deal was signed, they found their stash of snuff films and realized Karla was an active killer and rapist. But the law protected her rights to not incriminate herself. And she had disclosed a lot of good info. She got only 12 years because of the deal she made. Videos also showed her raping 4 other females victims.

While in prison, she became a manipulative queen bee who used female inmates and male guards for her entertainment and benefit. Prison psychiatrists diagnosed her as a malignant narcissist who probably pushed Paul to kill. He was a serial rapist but never a killer. She was deemed a danger and was refused release for as long as they could...but the deal was there. She was released. She immediately started dating a man who murdered a woman.

Now she is working at a school in Montreal with young girls. You might think this is not OK. Or not. Some Gaffers thinks she's rehabilitated despite the Canadian authorities's insistence that's she's not. You can google the case, and make up your own mind.
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Yeah she needs to be back in jail immediately. This is terrible and if I was a parent of one of those kids I don't know what I'd do.
 
What did he mean by this? said:
Deepest sympathies for the victims and I hope this demented woman can give back to society to the fullest while being fully monitored. Rehabilitation to me doesnt mean full freedom.
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She isn't fully monitored, though. She is apparently never alone with these children but that doesn't count for any activities outside of the school environment.

I do agree that we should attempt to rehabilitate people within reason. No matter how changed or how much someone repents, there will always be situations where former criminals should not be given full freedoms, be it some sort of monitoring or certain restrictions.
 
Kinitari said:
I'm actually sincerely asking here - do you have links that go more into her psychological profile, what her parole board felt, etc? I just got home so I can look things up, but if you have anything in particular you can share that gives more information about her - maybe a good article or something? I would like to read it.
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No one believes you are sincere.
 
What a bone headed decision by this school. Who the fuck approved this shit? Whether or not she is likely to commit a crime again, the school admin have to be off their rockers to think this was a good idea.
 
F0rneus said:
There's multiple people in this topic calling him out as a troll because of previous topics. What do you think?
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I think that people are being unnecessarily rude, unhelpful and aggressive towards someone that may or may not want to have a genuine conversation branching off of this thread about criminal justice reform. Like, if you truly believe someone is trolling for no reason, why engage? Move on.
 
F0rneus said:
So for those of you joining us.

Karla Homolka is a Canadian serial killer and rapist who participated in the kidnapping, torture and murder of 3 teenage girls. The first victim was her own sister, Tammy whom her husband and accomplice Paul Bernardo wanted to rape. Karla drugged her 15 years old sister at at family party, and raped and killed her with Paul while filming the murder. After the funeral she rubbed a rose on Paul's penis and laid it on her sister's grave. She then wore her dead sister's clothes, and had sex with Paul in a homemade porn film shot in Tammy's bed, while she was acting as Tammy. They went on to kidnap and murder two other teenage girls and made snuff films out of the crimes which include both Paul and Karla raping and torturing the girls. In the videos Paul piss and shit on the victims. One of the girls was dismembered and encased in cement.

Eventually they got caught but Karla played the part of abused victim. She was forced to helped Paul. The prosecution offered her a plea deal thinking her testimony would settle Paul's fate. After the deal was signed, they found their stash of snuff films and realized Karla was an active killer and rapist. But the law protected her rights to not incriminate herself. And she had disclosed a lot of good info. She got only 12 years because of the deal she made. Videos also showed her raping 4 other females victims.

While in prison, she became a manipulative queen bee who used female inmates and male guards for her entertainment and benefit. Prison psychiatrists diagnosed her as a malignant narcissist who probably pushed Paul to kill. He was a serial rapist but never a killer. She was deemed a danger and was refused release for as long as they could...but the deal was there. She was released. She immediately started dating a man who murdered a woman.

Now she is working at a school in Montreal with young girls. You might think this is not OK. Or not. Some Gaffers thinks she's rehabilitated despite the Canadian authorities's insistence that's she's not. You can google the case, and make up your own mind.
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Yeah.... I would be fucking livid if this was a school my kids attended. How could the faculty even agree to something like this?
 
Impeccable said:
I think that people are being unnecessarily rude, unhelpful and aggressive towards someone that may or may not want to have a genuine conversation branching off of this thread about criminal justice reform. Like, if you truly believe someone is trolling for no reason, why engage? Move on.
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A genuine conversation when half-a-dozen people mentioned his unwillingness to acknowledge the facts of the case? Really? And that's NOT the people calling him out after the bullshit. That's the people warning us he's always disingenuous. Read the topic from the start.
 
SimpleGamer said:
Yeah.... I would be fucking livid if this was a school my kids attended. How could the faculty even agree to something like this?
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Does make me wonder if, now that this story is out there, some journalists aren't already poking around, trying to see if they can't dig up an answer through anonymous sources at the school. Some kind of relationship between her and management wouldn't surprise me.
 
Pandaman said:
Kinda hard to believe she's been out for as long as she was imprisoned.
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I'm surprised she hasn't been killed yet, tbh. Especially since she's back in Montreal.

Her ex-husband and killer Paul Bernardo is a registered Dangerous Offender in prison and needs to be supervised 24/7 and away from the other prisoners. If they let him in with others he would almost definitely be killed.
 
A police background check was presumably required for her to volunteer at the school, even if the staff did not recognize her/her name right away. Someone with crimes like that on her record should not be allowed near children. Period.

What the hell is that school thinking?

Hopefully the publicity rains down on that school and forces them to get rid of her, and maybe cost the jobs of the staff that approved her being there as well. I wouldn't trust the staff there to bring in other volunteers or hire staff with clear backgrounds after this.

Edit: Sounds like she's a 'volunteer' in that she's a parent that the staff decided to allow to help out with activities from time to time, which does not require a background check. Still a boneheaded move by the staff, especially if they already knew who she was.
 
F0rneus said:
There's multiple people in this topic calling him out as a troll because of previous topics. What do you think?
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To calm you down... Jason would never lay a hand on Cap.
I think it's sickening that Kintari has obviously skimmed the OP and has only read the posts that are replies to him/her saying stuff that show how oblivious he/she is to the entire story. While proclaiming that he/she is aware of the crimes that have been committed.
 
PsychBat! said:
To calm you down... Jason would never lay a hand on Cap.
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You are damn right! Thank you for this though. I am in Montreal almost every week. I moved away but I'm still there in heart and lots of clients there. This shit is really close to my heart.
 
F0rneus said:
What the fuck are you talking about? There's been tons of links in the thread already. Including links that show Canadian authorities believed that she's not rehabilitated. And that serial killers CANNOT be rehabilitated. Keep defending the child rapist and killer.
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Yeah tons of links (4) and only two specifically talk about Karla. Then that other one that talks about psychopaths in general can't be cured. And those links were the ones I counted before you replied to me. Still going through the thread as soon as I hit post button.

Slayven said:
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He's bringing up Doctor's evaluations and when asked about them his comeback is "Read my post."

This has nothing to do with his opinion. I already know what it is, and he's talking about murdering her if he ever sees her. I know perfectly well what his opinion is and don't care for him to elaborate more. I'm interested in reading how Doctors came to the conclusion that she's still a danger.

And it wasn't even him that ended up linking the two articles specifically about her before my reply. Even Kintari posted two of his own that I'm reading just to see what's up with the whole situation. Just reading the first one is sending a shiver down my spine. She's a master at deceiving.
 
F0rneus said:
There's multiple people in this topic calling him out as a troll because of previous topics. What do you think?
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I'm inclined to agree with your position on Karla, but reading this thread he's not the one who looks unreasonable. Tone down the shrill.
 
Pandaman said:
I'm inclined to agree with your position on Karla, but reading this thread he's not the one who looks unreasonable. Tone down the shrill.
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If you tell me what's unreasonable about being angry at a serial rapist and killer of children working with children being defended by people who don't live/work in the area where said serial killer who was deemed unrepentant works...I'll stop.
 
F0rneus said:
If you tell me what's unreasonable about being angry at a serial rapist and killer of children working with children being defended by people who don't live/work in the area where said serial killer who was deemed unrepentant works...I'll stop.
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It's unreasonable to allow emotion to take over to the extent of being unable to talk with someone when they may want a genuine conversation. If it is close to home and burns your soul, I get that but don't take it out on people.

I mean the passive aggressive lawyer suggestions etc. was embarrassing as fuck to read through.

You can be repulsed and disgusted by her and still want to talk about it from a logic perspective. It is possible to do.
 
Impeccable said:
It's unreasonable to allow emotion to take over to the extent of being unable to talk with someone when they may want a genuine conversation. If it is close to home and burns your soul, I get that but don't take it out on people.

I mean the passove aggressive lawyer suggestions etc. was embarrassing as fuck to read through.
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What about all the posts telliing him that they knew he didn't want a genuine conversation? What about all the facts he willingly ignores everytime he posts?

Why are you pissed about me? But not about that? Says a lot about you. I'm feeling VERY confortable NOT being on the side of the serial rapist and killer of children, that's now working with children.
 
Yea, I'm all for law and order but this is some straight up bullshit. Rare times like this that offing somebody like her will do the world a favor.
 
F0rneus said:
If you tell me what's unreasonable about being angry at a serial rapist and killer of children working with children being defended by people who don't live/work in the area where said serial killer who was deemed unrepentant works...I'll stop.
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Because being angry does not justify attacking people for being less angry than you. And if you don't want another Karla to get away with it, you sort of have to have a discussion about how the system failed. You have to look at the laws in order to change them.

I think in general the average Canadian does not think Justice was properly served to Karla and that she should have copped the same charges as Paul. But she didn't, so how do we fix that? It boggles my mind that she's not, at the very least, a sex offender in light of the videos. How do we fix that? We've already changed laws because of her, we have to have a talk about changing more. If you think she deserves to be in prison forever, we have to examine the points where the system failed. Someone who wants to talk about those things should not be accused of lacking empathy for the victims. People who believe in rehabilitation do not necessarily believe she was rehabilitated.
 
Pandaman said:
Because being angry does not justify attacking people for being less angry than you. And if you don't want another Karla to get away with it, you sort of have to have a discussion about how the system failed. You have to look at the laws in order to change them.

I think in general the average Canadian does not think Justice was properly served to Karla and that she should have copped the same charges as Paul. But she didn't, so how do we fix that? It boggles my mind that she's not, at the very least, a sex offender in light of the videos. How do we fix that? We've already changed laws because of her, we have to have a talk about changing more. If you think she deserves to be in prison forever, we have to examine the points where the system failed. Someone who wants to talk about those things should not be accused of lacking empathy for the victims. People who believe in rehabilitation do not necessarily believe she was rehabilitated.
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I'm going to ask you this. Do you think she is rehabilitated? Do you think it is safe to be around her? Because that's what you are defending right now. I'll cop to the insults on the sly, but never direct. What Kinitari and his ilk are defending is the fact that she is rehabilitated, and that we can't prove otherwise.

You are fighting the wrong fight here. And she's not just a sex offender. The videos were so horrible, they couldn't be played in full at the trial but the audio was. And she killed them. Do you really want to argue that a child killer, that got off on a technicality, is ok to be around children? Cause that's what Kinitari is doing. And that's why so many people are angry here. Your anger is misplaced.

Since I'm from Quebec and she was released here, I have more context than you do. This woman is pure evil. Defending her....is not right. They released her because they had no choice. Every psychiatrist who checked her, said it: She will kill again.
 
Kinitari said:
Here's the challenge... where I have trouble.

Do we ever want to allow murderers to live normal lives? To be redeemed, or absolved in any way of their crime? Because if not, why not just keep them in prison forever? Why not just kill them? This woman has kids, she takes them to school and wants to be a part of their lives, like a lot of mothers do.

...

Should that not be allowed? I guess I might be in the extreme here, but I believe very very strongly in a rehabilitation focused criminal justice system. One where once you've 'done your time', have had therapy, and are allowed and encouraged to reintegrate into society and do good, redeeming things.
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You might want to go back and read the exact details of the things she helped Bernardo do to those girls. The kind of shit she FILMED him do.

That's all it takes for me to arrive at the conclusion of "NOPE! FUCK HER AND PAUL BERNARDO!"
 
I had never heard of this woman before seeing this thread. Absolutely disgusting and horrifying human being. The parents of the other students should be furious that she was allowed to interact with their children.
 
Galactic Barret said:
Damn, must have misread.

I appreciate your patience. Thanks.

Edit: She killed her own daughter or blood relative? What kind of shit is that?
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Her own sister Tammy

F0rneus said:
The first victim was her own sister, Tammy whom her husband and accomplice Paul Bernardo wanted to rape. Karla drugged her 15 years old sister at at family party, and raped and killed her with Paul while filming the murder. After the funeral she rubbed a rose on Paul's penis and laid it on her sister's grave. She then wore her dead sister's clothes, and had sex with Paul in a homemade porn film shot in Tammy's bed, while she was acting as Tammy.
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Now remember there's a defense force here.
 
kswiston said:
I curious how Homolka scored so low on that psychopathy test she was given. Bernardo got 35/40. I think Ted Bundy was 39/40.
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She's not a psychopath. She's a malignant narcissist. I remember the diagnosis from the TV specials over here when they let her loose.

Said she was worse that a psychopath. Because a psychopath can have a normal life. The reason why she had her sister raped and she killed her? Because she was jealous of her since Bernardo wanted to rape her.
 
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