Canadian Serial Killer Karla Homolka Volunteers at Elementary School

Definitely, but people do crazy (stupid) things when they're in love.

Hopefully:
a) He isn't psychotic as well.
b) He comes to his senses and divorces her, cause god knows he'll win the custody battle.
c) Gets a restraining order on her ass.
d) Moves as far away from her as possible. On the exact opposite side of the Earth would be a nice start.

Though I have too little faith in humanity to believe that this has any real chance of happening.
 
There's such a thing as too progressive sometimes I think.

How the hell she's not in prison for life or dead is beyond me.

*edit* I apologize if this has been answered in the 8 pages, but does Canada not have a sex offender registry? If so, is there a reason or loophole to her not being on it? If you're on the registry here in the states your life is pretty much over.
 
There's such a thing as too progressive sometimes I think.

How the hell she's not in prison for life or dead is beyond me.

This wasn't really a case of overenthusiastic progressiveness, so much as the Canadian legal system got played out like the plot of "The Usual Suspects," where Homolka was the Kevin Spacey role. It didn't occur to them that she might actually be the perp, because she was the poor, attractive female that was bullied by the horrible killer, and so she manipulated them into giving her a lighter sentence, in exchange for information to get the "true killer," only to recover evidence that actually fingered her, but it was too late, the deal was set.
 
1. I believe in rehabilitation for most everyone.

2. I believe some people simply cannot be rehabilitated and should be separated from society for the remainder of their natural and/or unnatural life.

3. I do not believe that, just because someone is theoretically rehabilitated, you should go around tempting fate.

Karla Homolka falls under category 2. And if, by some miracle, she's actually fully and truly been rehabilitated, she still falls under category 3. The fuck is going on with that school?
 
I don't believe she should be allowed near children, but as a true crime nut, I'm very familiar with their story and I believe she falls in the category of killers who probably would have been a normal person had she never met Paul Bernardo. However, she did meet him and did do terrible things, and she deserves to be punished for them, but I do suspect she would probably would have been a normal everyday person if not for him.
 
I 'hope' it's that the school didn't bother doing a crc and was blindsided.

Or their Xtians who bought into the whole 'forgive and forget' stupidity.
 
I don't believe she should be allowed near children, but as a true crime nut, I'm very familiar with their story and I believe she falls in the category of killers who probably would have been a normal person had she never met Paul Bernardo. However, she did meet him and did do terrible things, and she deserves to be punished for them, but I do suspect she would probably would have been a normal everyday person if not for him.
Isn't that basically the exact opposite of most clinical opinions of her?
 
I don't believe she should be allowed near children, but as a true crime nut, I'm very familiar with their story and I believe she falls in the category of killers who probably would have been a normal person had she never met Paul Bernardo. However, she did meet him and did do terrible things, and she deserves to be punished for them, but I do suspect she would probably would have been a normal everyday person if not for him.

It's the other way around; Bernardo was a serial rapist but never killed anyone. It's Homolka who started out the murder spree.
 
Isn't that basically the exact opposite of most clinical opinions of her?
Pretty much. It's egregious nonsense really. Read the link posted here and tell me this is a woman who would have been a "normal everyday person". If anything he sounds indifferent to what she's blathering on about, and she's gleeful about all the raping and murdering.
 
There's such a thing as too progressive sometimes I think.

How the hell she's not in prison for life or dead is beyond me.

*edit* I apologize if this has been answered in the 8 pages, but does Canada not have a sex offender registry? If so, is there a reason or loophole to her not being on it? If you're on the registry here in the states your life is pretty much over.

In a nutshell, she was the first to go to the police and confess everything. She did so after being abused by Bernardo. She claimed that her participation in the assaults and murders was under duress, 'battered wife syndrome' or some such.

The police, unable to find any hard evidence to convict Bernardo, went with Homolka as their only hard link. They needed her testimony to convict. She negotiated a plea deal. What they didn't know at the time that deal was struck was, there were video tapes that would paint Homolka in a completely different light.

The plea deal was set in stone when the video tapes surfaced. It was only by sheer luck (for her) that they did not surface sooner. Had they been available beforehand, that deal would never have been struck and she would have gotten everything that Bernardo got (life in prison).

It was a great shame in this country that this 'deal with the devil' took place, but at the time the prosecutors felt they had no choice. With all the evidence weighed at the end, she was just as guilty as he was.
 
Isn't that basically the exact opposite of most clinical opinions of her?

Yes, I'm in the minority on this one for sure. I disagree personally on this one. Not saying I'm right, but just how I felt on this particular case after doing a lot of reading about it and seeing documentaries on it.

I'm not as confident in this one as I am with say Lee Boyd Malvo, though.
 
Yes, I'm in the minority on this one for sure. I disagree personally on this one. Not saying I'm right, but just how I felt on this particular case after doing a lot of reading about it and seeing documentaries on it.

I'm not as confident in this one as I am with say Lee Boyd Malvo, though.
What have you read or seen that gives you this opinion? I'm genuinely curious, as I've never seen or read anything that paints her in the victim light that wasnt her own testimony.
 
What have you read or seen that gives you this opinion? I'm genuinely curious, as I've never seen or read anything that paints her in the victim light that wasnt her own testimony.

Well, from studying serial killers, I've always believed that serial killers who were "destined" to become so at a young age can't "turn off" the desire to kill. Most of them, anyway. They'll continue to kill until they are behind bars, and if they are eventually freed, they will kill again. This isn't a universal rule, as serial killers have stopped killing before, but there are plenty of instances of killers imprisoned, sometimes for other crimes, released years later, and they go right back to killing. So, of course there are exceptions, but I do think those truly sick and evil people battle that urge their entire lives. Maybe she is one of them, but as far as we know she hasn't committed another heinous crime since her release. I think it was a perfect storm of two people meeting and they kinda yin and yanged so to speak. His deviant and murderous desires perfectly complimented her obsessive, haywire, berserk personality. Remove him from the equation and I think she's just your crazy girlfriend with emotional issues, but without him, I doubt she commits a murder in her entire life. He was sadistic before he met her, so I think he may have always turned out that way even if he didn't meet her. He showed signs of sadistic deviant sexual behavior early, and I think he naturally would have progressed into a killer eventually.

That's just my personal theory. I think she had a very volatile and possibly somewhat psychotic personality, but I don;t think she would have been a killer had she not met Bernardo.
 
Well, from studying serial killers, I've always believed that serial killers who were "destined" to become so at a young age can't "turn off" the desire to kill. Most of them, anyway. They'll continue to kill until they are behind bars, and if they are eventually freed, they will kill again. This isn't a universal rule, as serial killers have stopped killing before, but there are plenty of instances of killers imprisoned, sometimes for other crimes, released years later, and they go right back to killing. So, of course there are exceptions, but I do think those truly sick and evil people battle that urge their entire lives. Maybe she is one of them, but as far as we know she hasn't committed another heinous crime since her release. I think it was a perfect storm of two people meeting and they kinda yin and yanged so to speak. His deviant and murderous desires perfectly complimented her obsessive, haywire, berserk personality. Remove him from the equation and I think she's just your crazy girlfriend with emotional issues, but without him, I doubt she commits a murder in her entire life. He was sadistic before he met her, so I think he may have always been that way more than her.

That's just my personal theory. I think she had a very volatile and possibly somewhat psychotic personality, but I don;t think she would have been a killer had she not met Bernardo.

Well, here's a small point to consider.

When it comes to Bernardo and Homolka, the only times that people died was when they were together.

Bernardo raped many on his own, no one died when he did this on his own. Draw your own conclusions from that, but I don't think it can be discounted.
 
Oh man, I never really looked too closely into this case and read about it.
I just read a transcript of one of the video tapes they made together, she should probably not have kids...

Spoiler tags because I think it's very disturbing:

God damn, I just read that whole transcript. My mind is blown. Yea, there's no rehabilitation here.
 
Well, here's a small point to consider.

When it comes to Bernardo and Homolka, the only times that people died was when they were together.

Bernardo raped many on his own, no one died when he did this on his own. Draw your own conclusions from that, but I don't think it can be discounted.

That is true, and I definitely leave that possibility open that she may just be as bad as him. Morally, she is. There's no debating that. They worked in tandem, so she's equally as responsible as him, even if her prison time doesn't signify that.

I think they definitely formed a murderous bond that brought out the worst in each other. Maybe without meeting her he's just a rapist, and sexual deviant his entire life that never commits murder, but people that display his behavior usually graduate to murder, although not always. However, with her, I don't think she committed any crimes of that nature before she met him. Unless I'm forgetting it, it's been a while since I refreshed fully on this case, but of the two, he's the one with the history of violent and sexual crimes.

If she had a history of torturing animals, people, etc I'd probably lean toward the other side. It's a tough call either way and there's no way of knowing for sure, it's a matter of opinion.
 
That is true, and I definitely leave that possibility open that she may just be as bad as him. Morally, she is. There's no debating that. They worked in tandem, so she's equally as responsible as him, even if her prison time doesn't signify that.

I think they definitely formed a murderous bond that brought out the worst in each other. Maybe without meeting her he's just a rapist, and sexual deviant his entire life that never commits murder, but people that display his behavior usually graduate to murder, although not always. However, with her, I don't think she committed any crimes of that nature before she met him. Unless I'm forgetting it, it's been a while since I refreshed fully on this case, but of the two, he's the one with the history of violent and sexual crimes.

If she had a history of torturing animals, people, etc I'd probably lean toward the other side. It's a tough call either way and there's no way of knowing for sure, it's a matter of opinion.

I think your research is sound - I don't believe she had any history before meeting him. She was in high school when they met. None of the stuff I had seen of her mentions much of anything about what she was like as a child, issues, etc.

I do believe that even without Homolka, Bernardo would have met the same fate. He would have gotten progressively more aggressive. It was just a toxic mix of (perhaps) him igniting something in her that would have never happened otherwise.

Would she have had a fairly normal life if she never met him? I'm guessing yes.

But for whatever reason, love/jealousy/fear of losing him/whatever he was the catalyst for her to do what she did, and the video tapes show her to be beyond willing.
 
After reading the first page, I had to look her up and ended up falling down the rabbit hole. Found her and her ex-husband's Wikipedia pages, then found and read a transcript of the video played at the trial, and all I can say is fucking hell. What the hell is wrong with this school!? This woman should not be anywhere near children.
 
After reading the first page, I had to look her up and ended up falling down the rabbit hole. Found her and her ex-husband's Wikipedia pages, then found and read a transcript of the video played at the trial, and all I can say is fucking hell. What the hell is wrong with this school!? This woman should not be anywhere near children.

My best guess is someone with authority in the school is attracted to her. That's the only way I can see this going this far, and have a school actually come to her defense rather than that of the concerned parents.
 
I just think this is funny.

I remember that case. It happened when I was younger. The city of Toronto put up billboards asking if anybody had seen Bernardo's vehicle. The investigation and the trial were the top story on the news every night for months. It was Canada's trial of the century. This story proves how quickly people forget.
 
I just think this is funny.

I remember that case. It happened when I was younger. The city of Toronto put up billboards asking if anybody had seen Bernardo's vehicle. The investigation and the trial were the top story on the news every night. It was Canada's trial of the century. This story proves how quickly purple forget.

Actually, the billboards showed the wrong vehicle. Bernardo was not driving the vehicle they showed. Not sure how they mixed that up, but yeah, they had the wrong car.
 
I just think this is funny.

I remember that case. It happened when I was younger. The city of Toronto put up billboards asking if anybody had seen Bernardo's vehicle. The investigation and the trial were the top story on the news every night. It was Canada's trial of the century. This story proves how quickly purple forget.

This story also proves the opposite. You just need to be told the blond parading the dog around your kids class in indeed who she looks like, just 20+ years older.
 
I think your research is sound - I don't believe she had any history before meeting him. She was in high school when they met. None of the stuff I had seen of her mentions much of anything about what she was like as a child, issues, etc.

I do believe that even without Homolka, Bernardo would have met the same fate. He would have gotten progressively more aggressive. It was just a toxic mix of (perhaps) him igniting something in her that would have never happened otherwise.

Would she have had a fairly normal life if she never met him? I'm guessing yes.

But for whatever reason, love/jealousy/fear of losing him/whatever he was the catalyst for her to do what she did, and the video tapes show her to be beyond willing.

I think he ignited her innate psychopathy and sadism. The things she says about her dead sister in the transcript quoted earlier are just about the most inhuman things I've ever read. I don't even think any of it was about pleasing him. He was a conduit to satisfy her own perversions. It boggles the mind, but I think this was a case of two supremely evil people finding each other.

Maybe she would have never acted on her impulses had they never met, but the potential would have always been there, simmering beneath appearances. Makes you wonder about people.
 
I think he ignited her innate psychopathy and sadism. The things she says about her dead sister in the transcript quoted earlier are just about the most inhuman things I've ever read. I don't even think any of it was about pleasing him. He was a conduit to satisfy her own perversions. It boggles the mind, but I think this was a case of two supremely evil people finding each other.

Maybe she would have never acted on her impulses had they never met, but the potential would have always been there, simmering beneath appearances. Makes you wonder about people.

It does make you wonder.

Had a person in my life semi-recently do something (not kill anyone or anything) that was completely out of character for them. It made the news, and made this person a societal outcast. His life is pretty much in tatters, lost his job, created all kinds of family problems, just the worst.

This came as a huge shock for everyone because he literally is, without any word of exaggeration, the very last person you would have thought would be capable of it. For many who know him, it's affected them deeply because of the deep affection and trust he has deservedly enjoyed with everyone.

My point here is that the people you see every day and that you are convinced you know, you really don't. What's going on under the surface can be complex and surprising. In some people these surprising parts of their personality can be good, but often are not. That's why they are hidden.
 
It does make you wonder.

Had a person in my life semi-recently do something (not kill anyone or anything) that was completely out of character for them. It made the news, and made this person a societal outcast. His life is pretty much in tatters, lost his job, created all kinds of family problems, just the worst.

This came as a huge shock for everyone because he literally is, without any word of exaggeration, the very last person you would have thought would be capable of it. For many who know him, it's affected them deeply because of the deep affection and trust he has deservedly enjoyed with everyone.

My point here is that the people you see every day and that you are convinced you know, you really don't. What's going on under the surface can be complex and surprising. In some people these surprising parts of their personality can be good, but often are not. That's why they are hidden.

I'm really sorry to hear that. I don't know what this person did but if it was sufficiently serious to make the news the sense of betrayal caused by his actions must have been enormous.

Stories like this, the way they make me feel, remind me of Tommy Lee Jone's character at the end of No Country for Old Men. How do you fight something like that? Protect yourself even? Maybe you can't.
 
My best guess is someone with authority in the school is attracted to her. That's the only way I can see this going this far, and have a school actually come to her defense rather than that of the concerned parents.
Someone mentioned before that she traded sex with prison guards for favours. Wouldn't be surprised if the same thing was happening here.
 
I've never been to Canada but it sounds like a very forgiving country. Here, Maxine Carr had to be given a new identity just to allow her to walk the streets safely after serving her time, and 'all' she did was provide a false alibi for her murdering boyfriend.
 
Here's what scares the shit out of me. What truly keeps me up at night is that we'll hear on the news that one of her kids ends up face down in the gutter after being drugged and raped brutally. The chance of that alone is enough to restrict her from being near her children ever again.

Not need to drug them when she can groom them from birth.

My heart breaks for her children.
 
Anyone watched the 2006 movie about her? I found out about its existence years ago on youtube, but did not watch the full movie.
 
She's tried to get a legal name change at least once and was denied (aside from her married name that is) http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/homolka-loses-bid-to-change-name-1.573777

That...is disturbing. Took her current name from a famous killer?

Also disturbing is the video transcript someone posted earlier in the thread (in spoilers) Really reveals the extent of her depravity. The Autopsy documentary is still up on HBO btw but it doesn't go into much more detail than featured here, although it does feature suitably creepy home video shot by the pair, the night before they murdered her sister. Wow.
 
She could have not told him, she did change her name after all.

Of course, he had to find out eventually and maybe then he was too in love.

Isn't she married to the brother of one of the lawyers in the case? If so, just another disturbing layer to this story.
 
Well, from studying serial killers, I've always believed that serial killers who were "destined" to become so at a young age can't "turn off" the desire to kill. Most of them, anyway. They'll continue to kill until they are behind bars, and if they are eventually freed, they will kill again. This isn't a universal rule, as serial killers have stopped killing before, but there are plenty of instances of killers imprisoned, sometimes for other crimes, released years later, and they go right back to killing. So, of course there are exceptions, but I do think those truly sick and evil people battle that urge their entire lives. Maybe she is one of them, but as far as we know she hasn't committed another heinous crime since her release. I think it was a perfect storm of two people meeting and they kinda yin and yanged so to speak. His deviant and murderous desires perfectly complimented her obsessive, haywire, berserk personality. Remove him from the equation and I think she's just your crazy girlfriend with emotional issues, but without him, I doubt she commits a murder in her entire life. He was sadistic before he met her, so I think he may have always turned out that way even if he didn't meet her. He showed signs of sadistic deviant sexual behavior early, and I think he naturally would have progressed into a killer eventually.

That's just my personal theory. I think she had a very volatile and possibly somewhat psychotic personality, but I don;t think she would have been a killer had she not met Bernardo.

....Have you even read the transcript posted earlier? Your theory has zero merit I'm afraid.
 
I'm wondering what kind of desperate fucker marries a serial killer. Like that's not a deal breaker, breh? Really?

I was thinking the same thing, but there are people who idolize and romanticize even the worst of killers so if he did know what she did beforehand he might be one of those kinds.

This whole situation is fucked. I don't feel that she's "done her time" since she lied to get a lighter sentence, but she did was she was given. Nonetheless she should be barred from working with kids in any capacity, imo. And I pray that she doesn't do anything to her own kids.
Edit: They need to look into being able to drop or alter plea deals if new evidence comes to light, but I understand that can make criminals less likely to give up evidence. But goddamn this whole case makes my blood boil.
 
Oh gutter_trash is absolutely going to love this:
FEDERAL NDP LEADER SAYS IT MIGHT BE TIME TO FORGIVE KARLA HOMOLKA

The day-to-day activities of Karla Homolka are once again causing a stir in Montreal after a media report said the convicted killer has been allowed to volunteer at an elementary school her children attend.

But federal N-D-P Leader Tom Mulcair has raised the question of whether it might be time to forgive and move on, adding Homolka has paid her debt to society.

Mulcair says first and foremost the security of children must be taken care of, but beyond that, it becomes a question of forgiveness.
http://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk-1290-cjbk/news/federal-ndp-leader-says-it-might-be-time-to-forgive-karla-homolka-1.2651862
 
How do you have the nerve to say she's "paid her debt to society" when the only reason she's seeing sunlight is because of a justice system fuck up ? Baffling.
 

What the fuck, Mulcair??

I sincerely hope he's speaking from a place of ignorance (e.g. he's somehow unaware/he forgot that she had a lenient sentence due to a prosecution fuck-up, and still thinks she just committed manslaughter) otherwise.... ugh fuck off.

Mulcair says first and foremost the security of children must be taken care of

YA THINK
 
Fuck that schools authorities. What a bunch of dumbasses.

Also fuck this murderous psychopath. She deserves the worst possible. Psychopaths cant be rehabilitated.
 

I actually agree.

Everyone is always quick to rush to judgment, but we're not aware of exactly what kind of screening or psychological evaluation she was privy to before this decision was made.

We really need to stop assuming we know everything about a person based on what we read in the news.
 
I actually agree.

Everyone is always quick to rush to judgment, but we're not privy to exactly what kind of screening or psychological evaluation she was privy to before this decision was made.

We really need to stop assuming we know everything about a person based on what we read in the news.
I mean, if it was pretty much anyone else, I'd agree. But the sheer amount of evidence of her being a monster is far too much to ignore here.
 
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