crisdecuba
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Wouldn't you agree the scene was handled with enough subtlety for the girls watching the scene?
And you wouldn't be concerned about those same little girls seeing greater amounts of blood as a result of violence?
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Wonder Woman |OT| The World is Ready for You, Gal Gad [SPOILERS]
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And you wouldn't be concerned about those same little girls seeing greater amounts of blood as a result of violence?
RareFantasy64
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Saw the movie tonight. I can not believe how good it was. Way to go DC and the team behind this movie
serenewarfare
Banned
The kiss scene was great because it fit perfect for its point in the story, which was centered around showing the ideal version of humanity and what it can be like without war. Happiness, friendship, love, etc.. It was important for Diana's character arc for her to be able to juxtapose that with the horror that almost immediately follows it.
Albino_Yeti
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I didn't really make my point clear. I know having blood would have been a dumb move, and they shouldn't have included it, but to me personally I wish there was more blood.
But like in my theater there were kids around 5-10 years old watching it. In my opinion that's pretty young to be dealing with themes like sex. You may have a different opinion and that's fine, just throwing my two cents out there.
serenewarfare
Banned
That's why ratings exist. And this is a PG-13 movie. If parents don't want their young kids seeing that kind of thing, they should follow the guidelines and the system which is designed for that exact reason.
The gods of the Greek Pantheon.
In the DCU, the various patheons of Earth all exist. Darkseid and co. are called "The New Gods" because they're a newer pantheon as opposed to the ancient gods like Zeus and them.
Obliterator
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It's a PG-13 movie. That was as tame of a "sex" scene as is possible and portrayed a pretty healthy one at that as yes its only a 2 hour movie and its hard to have a ton of relationship building in that amount of time but its clear the intent is Diana and Steve have fallen in love and care for each other. Diana isn't just going around and hooking up randomly.
It was perfectly fine. If that's too much for a 5 to 10 year old don't take them to a PG-13 movie. That's on the parents not on Patty Jenkins or DC.
H.Cornerstone
Member
I'm more curious how they are going to explain how gods exist in this universe,
Liked the movie very much, that No Man's Land battle was legit.
- Wish we had more Amazon time, loved that battle and how they fought
- I'm a moron and didn't see the reveal of Ares coming even though I heard a rumor that he was supposed to be him, but then another story came out saying that it wasn't true so it swerved me
- Gal and Chris were great together
- Didn't understand why Danny Hudson's character needed that blue serum stuff other than being a weird mis-direct for the audience. He wasn't dying or anything, so why did he need to keep taking it?
- Liked that Diana initiated the kiss with Steve so it didn't fall into such a cliche love story
- Should've kept Ares face in black with red eyes and never showed David Thewlis's face once he transformed
- Wish we had more Amazon time, loved that battle and how they fought
- I'm a moron and didn't see the reveal of Ares coming even though I heard a rumor that he was supposed to be him, but then another story came out saying that it wasn't true so it swerved me
- Gal and Chris were great together
- Didn't understand why Danny Hudson's character needed that blue serum stuff other than being a weird mis-direct for the audience. He wasn't dying or anything, so why did he need to keep taking it?
- Liked that Diana initiated the kiss with Steve so it didn't fall into such a cliche love story
- Should've kept Ares face in black with red eyes and never showed David Thewlis's face once he transformed
Albino_Yeti
Member
I would try to save face and say I thought the movie was rated PG but that's not true. You both make a valid point hahah.
I guess it just felt kinda rushed to me, but that's just the nature of two hour movies.
crisdecuba
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Edit: I see your reply above. Please disregard my post - I see you simply felt it was rushed. I disagree with that, but that's a fair viewpoint.
Saucycarpdog
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Don't think it really matters. By now like every god from every religion and mythos exists in some form in the DC universe.
Albino_Yeti
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EDIT: Right after I submitted my reply I saw your edit hahaha
crisdecuba
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Yup I tried to edit my post when I saw your reply but I was too late, sorry!!
Inceptional
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Yea, I don't understand why this freaks people out when it happens in movies, especially in this one where it was totally earned and made sense given the dire situation they were in.
But I'm just happy my boy Steve got laid before sacrificing himself. Dude fucking deserved to get a little, he was a gentleman and a scholar.
Albino_Yeti
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It's all good
EDIT: One more point because I don't want to double post.
After seeing the Injustice version of Wonder Woman, I'm so glad we've been given the good, heroine version of her again. Gadot did a great job.
Gamer @ Heart
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The general taking that powder, introduced so awkwardly out of the blue, actually made me immediately doubt he was Ares because why would a god have to bother with some base human shit like that.
This move was carried on the two leads chemistry.
The evil female doctor didnt work at all. That was a nothing performance that wasnt able to elevate the little she had. I feel the general, at the very least had enough material to work well. Particularly with the random captain kill and gas mask scene.
Was anybody else expecting the Scottish sniper guy to have a redemption shot after he fucked up? How did that not happen.
That theme is so good.
I love me rando slowmo on stuff thats actually completely impractical. It feels like it adds some weight to certain ridiculous moves.
This move was carried on the two leads chemistry.
The evil female doctor didnt work at all. That was a nothing performance that wasnt able to elevate the little she had. I feel the general, at the very least had enough material to work well. Particularly with the random captain kill and gas mask scene.
Was anybody else expecting the Scottish sniper guy to have a redemption shot after he fucked up? How did that not happen.
That theme is so good.
I love me rando slowmo on stuff thats actually completely impractical. It feels like it adds some weight to certain ridiculous moves.
Thewlis is fine.
Why they decided to keep his posh English mug complete with the gentleman's moustache for the final battle though...
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Lol. It wasn't what I expected.
My family loved Gal Gadot and so did I. Beautiful actress. Chris Pine was pretty damn good too.
CosmicGroinPull
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-Man, the whole No man's land scene and the build up. I got chills
-The thing I liked best about the movie was how I enjoyed watching the first 2/3 even when the action was sparse. I wasn't waiting for the action to happen.
-Some really nice action scenes though, I liked how acrobatic WW's moves were. All that flipping around
-I think Gadot did great. Particularly during the parting scene with her mother and how her little expressions sold it
-There was one nice funny detail I remembered where upon arriving in London, Diana insisted on going straight to Ares while grabbing hold of Steve's shirt and he couldn't pull away
-That cleverly tragic (?) parting scene between them at the end
-I have no problem with the final act. We knew she was going against a god since the beginning. The flying attacks might be a bit overblown, but that's just a matter of crafting a fight scene between gods.
-All in all, just great. Every scene had meaning and a purpose, and at no time was I going 'Huh?' or 'Yawnn"
Definitely deserved the high RT score.
-The thing I liked best about the movie was how I enjoyed watching the first 2/3 even when the action was sparse. I wasn't waiting for the action to happen.
-Some really nice action scenes though, I liked how acrobatic WW's moves were. All that flipping around
-I think Gadot did great. Particularly during the parting scene with her mother and how her little expressions sold it
-There was one nice funny detail I remembered where upon arriving in London, Diana insisted on going straight to Ares while grabbing hold of Steve's shirt and he couldn't pull away
-That cleverly tragic (?) parting scene between them at the end
-I have no problem with the final act. We knew she was going against a god since the beginning. The flying attacks might be a bit overblown, but that's just a matter of crafting a fight scene between gods.
-All in all, just great. Every scene had meaning and a purpose, and at no time was I going 'Huh?' or 'Yawnn"
Definitely deserved the high RT score.
I didn't understand the blue gas?
Presumably the Amazonian island is somewhere in the Aegean or Levantine seas but it's never been found?
Would have been more powerful thematically if Ares weren't in it, and WW saw that men have the capacity to be evil all on their own. The Central powers keep getting shit on and demonized lol. Literally evil because an ancient god of destruction made them so.
Fun movie though. I liked both supermans better though.
Presumably the Amazonian island is somewhere in the Aegean or Levantine seas but it's never been found?
Would have been more powerful thematically if Ares weren't in it, and WW saw that men have the capacity to be evil all on their own. The Central powers keep getting shit on and demonized lol. Literally evil because an ancient god of destruction made them so.
Fun movie though. I liked both supermans better though.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
This was the film that the DCU so badly needed.
Too bad JL will fuck up.
Too bad JL will fuck up.
Strife In a Teacup
Member
What about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylan_ail_Don
I know the Tuatha Dé Danann are featured in DC, but what about the Welsh Dylan?
On a side note I like how Nuada Dé Danann, which had a replaced silver arm, which has parallels to Luke in the original Star Wars trilogy, which of course Joseph Campbell's work had a noted effect on.
On another side note, I want a Constantine movie with Sean Bean as Constantine. Though I know there was rumors Colin Farrrel would play him but, but man a Sean Bean Constantine would be awesome.
Or Sean Bean as Case in a Neuromancer movie, since they seem so intent on making that or Akira in live action.
A Link to the Past
Banned
The villain stuff in general felt a bit muddled and rushed. The gas didn't really have any meaning to it, and going through the entire movie building up villains only for them to accomplish nothing vs. Diana is just a little bit disappointing. It almost makes me think that Ares was shoehorned in last minute.
Yeah, that's what I was hoping for. I don't mind the idea that Ares was there, but I think him just popping up and saying "it was me, Austin!" was them racing for the big bad way too quickly. Someone like Ares seems like a great opponent for Wonder Woman to encounter in like, Justice League 2 or Wonder Woman 3 - at a time when she could reasonably combat someone as powerful as Ares.
Yeah, that's what I was hoping for. I don't mind the idea that Ares was there, but I think him just popping up and saying "it was me, Austin!" was them racing for the big bad way too quickly. Someone like Ares seems like a great opponent for Wonder Woman to encounter in like, Justice League 2 or Wonder Woman 3 - at a time when she could reasonably combat someone as powerful as Ares.
I'd love it if they went full Morrison with them being living concept that exist in multiple forms across the multiverse. Might be a little much for the mainstream. Hell, I'm not even sure I'm explaining it right.
Rule of awesome.
Soft spoken Area was infinitely better than shouty, young Ares would have been. And Diana facing off against a self-serving older man is thematically perfect. Especially an English mug - it's the flip side to "all Germsms are evil" nonsense.
JigglesBunny
Banned
The major lesson in the film is that love and peace conquer the corruption that war and greed have put into our hearts. During the boat scene, Diana remarks how she understands sex because she's "read the books" on it to which Steve mocks because it's clear that she doesn't understand the meaning and passion and intricacies of human relationships.
Moreover, she makes the remark that a man was only necessary for biological reproduction, not pleasure.
Once we hit this sequence in the film, they have just finished enjoying music together in a peaceful village full of grateful people clutching their loved ones and it's a moment of realization for Diana - she shares a genuine bond with Steve that makes her want to connect with him on the deepest level she can. That's why they have sex. It wasn't a cheap gimmick to add to the film, it was a genuine character moment that showed that Diana has learned the value of pleasure and love. She was born a warrior on an island full of women who's only priorities were war and order and Diana has moved beyond that and found love, compassion and pleasure with someone else.
It's a powerful moment and definitely something that made sense in the narrative.
It felt rushed and the surprise rang hollow for sure. It wasn't even that great of a fight. As much as people like to shit on Man of Steel and Zod he was least set up in an appreciable, understandable, and logical way. And the fight itself was a lot of fun in that dragon ball z kind of way
Obliterator
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That's a damn good post right there.
Just came back from seeing it.
I will see it again because so many things were going through my mind while watching it for the first time; I really want to revisit it with all the anticipation/clutter out of my mind.
The thought I came away with is probably not what most movie-goers want, but I would have loved for the film to be even longer. The film flew by to the point where when it was clearly the last act I was like "already?", and I really wanted more embellishing and stewing of certain themes. But like I said, my mind was kind of racing through the whole movie, so I had a poor perception in terms of the narrative flow and pacing while watching it for the first time.
Aside from the Ares reveal and CG explosions/fights that many cite as trite (and I agree to an extent), many of my favorite scenes are actually in the last half hour. Trevor and Diana's argument (and her confusion) after she kills Ludendorff, and Trevor's sacrifice were really hard-hitting moments for me. The message Diana comes away with at the end is strong, and is a great payoff due to solid character building.
Gadot has a ton of charisma and presence. Perhaps the most emotive of all the modern superheroes captured on film. Her facial expressions gives the audience a crystal clear idea of how she feels at any moment.
The only thing that stood out in a truly bad way that was actually distracting were very small but specific moments where it transitions from Gadot/stunt double to a CGI rendition.
I finally got to see Wonder Woman with a lot of anticipation and I'm really glad I came away from a DCEU movie with a strong feeling of hope and positivity.
Like I said, I can't wait to see it again and really dig into the film to understand things I probably missed.
I will see it again because so many things were going through my mind while watching it for the first time; I really want to revisit it with all the anticipation/clutter out of my mind.
The thought I came away with is probably not what most movie-goers want, but I would have loved for the film to be even longer. The film flew by to the point where when it was clearly the last act I was like "already?", and I really wanted more embellishing and stewing of certain themes. But like I said, my mind was kind of racing through the whole movie, so I had a poor perception in terms of the narrative flow and pacing while watching it for the first time.
Aside from the Ares reveal and CG explosions/fights that many cite as trite (and I agree to an extent), many of my favorite scenes are actually in the last half hour. Trevor and Diana's argument (and her confusion) after she kills Ludendorff, and Trevor's sacrifice were really hard-hitting moments for me. The message Diana comes away with at the end is strong, and is a great payoff due to solid character building.
Gadot has a ton of charisma and presence. Perhaps the most emotive of all the modern superheroes captured on film. Her facial expressions gives the audience a crystal clear idea of how she feels at any moment.
The only thing that stood out in a truly bad way that was actually distracting were very small but specific moments where it transitions from Gadot/stunt double to a CGI rendition.
I finally got to see Wonder Woman with a lot of anticipation and I'm really glad I came away from a DCEU movie with a strong feeling of hope and positivity.
Like I said, I can't wait to see it again and really dig into the film to understand things I probably missed.
How was it rushed?
I really think Gaf likes using buzzwords they don't understand. The film literally starts with Hippolyta telling us that Ares is the villain. Diana's quest is to kill Ares and stop war, a childish attitude her mother knows is foolish. Diana goes on her quest and faces Ares, learning that Ares wants to use war to create paradise... by removing Wars instigators.
Diana kills Ares not to stop war, but to allow humanity to decide their own fate, good or bad. Because she's seen men like Steve and Charlie, who should be enemies, be genuinely heroic and fight battles that aren't their own.
And as it's a superhero film, CGI ensues.
It's not rushed, at all. I mean even if you think
Ares comes out of nowhere, they spend five minutes setting their conflict up for people in the cheap seats,
It's not that there wasn't sufficient back story it's that I think his reveal wasn't handled particularly well and that Thewlis' turn was much too abrupt. The emotional impact of the scene immediately preceding this wherein Chris Pines character has to explain to WW that the world and it's wars cannot be reduced to a single bad guy, as it were, is also weakened by his inclusion. That, I think, would have been a more interesting and daring idea to expand upon for a superhero movie and especially one set in as historically contentious and complex a setting as the first world war.
BossDarkseid
Member
I liked that she actually talked to Ares first and he tried to explain why he didn't want to fight her. I can't remember the details and hate comparing to It, but it is what annoyed me a tad about the climax of Civil War.
If Ares gave people a nudge towards capabilities they had anyway, then I think the No Man's Land and end scenes were Diana doing the same thing.
The film covers PTSD, racism, cultural appropriation, sexism, patriachalism and characters childish concepts of war in just over two hours,
I mean I get your point, but for the genre? This shit is leagues ahead in terms of points it's conveying. It's adult as all Hell without being preachy.
Thewlis is such a damn fine actor. That voice...
I'm so happy this movie was made. Wonder Woman is like a breath of fresh air after spending years drowning in a sea of superhero movies saturated by godlike characters disconnected from humans.
This movie is just as much about humans as it is about a mythical goddess created by Zeus. When this was first announced I rolled my eyes at Chris Pine's casting but at the end of the day his character is the one I resonated with the most. Just a regular ass dude trying to do the right thing, even when faced with overwhelming odds.
This movie is just as much about humans as it is about a mythical goddess created by Zeus. When this was first announced I rolled my eyes at Chris Pine's casting but at the end of the day his character is the one I resonated with the most. Just a regular ass dude trying to do the right thing, even when faced with overwhelming odds.
They exist because they exist. They're literal gods. It's not like Marvel where they try to bullshit magic = science in their films. They just let it rock that pantheons of gods actually exist, they're just incredibly powerful rather than invincible.
BossDarkseid
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That would have been interesting to explore, if they didn't feel the need for a final boss, but I don't think Ares inclusion necessarily nullified that. Ludendorf was killed and his men on the airfield carried on loading the bomber, but a lot of the Germans at large were preparing to sign the Armistice. And with Ares saying he never forced anyone to do anything, remarks like Chief talking about the genocide of his people by Americans and the PTSD Charlie had, show it wasn't really painting the conflict in a simple Good vs Evil.
I appreciated the talk between Diana and Ares, but a fight was pretty much inevitable given how Diana had been raised.
DCEU doesn't have to explain shit.
I love how they just LOTR it. The world is what it is. No stupid Kryptonian sect bollocks.
I'd say it touches on those things more so than offering anything really reflective on the matter. But I'm not arguing for anything preachy as you say, or even anything overly philosophical and heady. I just think Ares being the real baddy weakened some of the film's subtext on the nature of men's hearts and their capacity for goodness and evil, and that could have been expanded upon had he been absent
It really is one of the best parts of DCEU, and it's something I wish Marvel does with their movies (outside of Guardians) because their gods are as batshit insane as DC's.
I suppose. Those are good points. I do think the film wisely chose not to have THAT flashback--wherein we see Ares subtly influence various conquerors and world figures throughout history for evil. That surely would have been too much
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Really liked the movie
Kinda eh on Ares. When he showed up initially only through the glass I was expecting ares to be her reflection or some twist like that
I liked that first bit of their discussion but the actual fight fell a little flat for me, though thats not something unusual when it comes to comic book movies
Kinda eh on Ares. When he showed up initially only through the glass I was expecting ares to be her reflection or some twist like that
I liked that first bit of their discussion but the actual fight fell a little flat for me, though thats not something unusual when it comes to comic book movies
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