Wonder Woman |OT| The World is Ready for You, Gal Gad [SPOILERS]

It's what we're lead to believe in her origin early in the movie. That was she sculpted and given life. It's near the end where we discover she is the actual child of Zeus.

Okay, I just took it a different way from everyone else then.

For whatever reason, I was under the impression that Hippolyta and the other Amazons told Diana she was brought into the world from statue form simply to reward Hippolyta's wish for a child. They were deliberately hiding the fact she was created specifically to be the godkiller weapon. I thought they didn't want her to know she was made for a weaponized, militant purpose other than being a child to an entire family of Amazons.

I didn't take it to mean that Hippolyta actually had a child by Zeus. But that could mean that I just missed a line of dialog somewhere.
 
People already forgot Hell or High Water?

Yo how many people actually saw Hell or High Water tho...

It's like, I keep seeing these "taeks" along the lines of "o wow Chris Pine was really good in this! I'm pleasantly surprised!"

Like, dude is as reliable a movie star as we get these days.
 
I had a lot of fun watching this. Diana was so sincere that I was genuinely heart broken watching her reactions to the grief of war.

The last act got a bit generic in terms of spectacle, but that couldn't shake my genuine love for the first 100 minutes and Gal's charm.

Will see again.
 
Okay, I just took it a different way from everyone else then.

For whatever reason, I was under the impression that Hippolyta and the other Amazons told Diana she was brought into the world from statue form simply to reward Hippolyta's wish for a child. They were deliberately hiding the fact she was created specifically to be the godkiller weapon. I thought they didn't want her to know she was made for a weaponized, militant purpose other than being a child to an entire family of Amazons.

I didn't take it to mean that Hippolyta actually had a child by Zeus. But that could mean that I just missed a line of dialog somewhere.

"He used the last of his power to make you out of clay." Makes me laugh in retrospect.
 
Highly enjoyable, simple action film. Loved it.

Called the British guy as Ares early on. His performance made up for the lack of opposing build. Dude had psychic powers anyways. Don't need to be buff when you move things with your mind. I agree. he should have lost the mustache under the helmet, but that is a minor nitpick.

Only negative, which was highly enjoyable, is that for me Chris Pines is type cast as Kirk. Everything he did, I kept commenting how Kirk it was, including his answer to the Kobayashi Maru test.
 
With only the love of a man can woman reach her full potential. I was expecting more. Am as disappointed as when I read the ending of Lean In.


With respect to TestMonkey, this looks like a case of looking for something to be offended by.

That's a heck of a sacrifice by Steve when you think about it. Not only did he die young, but missed the possibility spend the next 40/50 years with Diana, who aside from being bad-ass in general, will eternally look like a 30-year-old Gal Gadot. Bummer dude.
 
Something my daughter and I were left confused about is if she can fly or at the very least levitate. Some shots indeed looked like it to us.
 
Just got out. Loved it, great casting and acting all around. Was worried about Gadot's acting chops, but she was good. She really felt charismatic and was completely believable as a goddess warrior. Pine is really underrated, imo, and whoever played Etta was stealing scenes.

Dr.Poison was such a great character, even if she was just flat out demented.

One thing that I will say that this movie had in spades compared to the other DCU movies is heart. You really felt that Diana cared about helping everyone she could without hesitation and with no feeling of doing it out of obligation, something I felt the Superman movies failed to show, I know they wanted to focus on that struggle for Clark, but it really made those movies a bit too dour and gloomy.

Lol good point. He was a lot of 'me me me'. Diana had those moments of struggle too, but all she does is close her eyes and tilt her head up for a while. I think she does this 3 times in the movie, the first was after she hurt the general in training.
 
Something my daughter and I were left confused about is if she can fly or at the very least levitate. Some shots indeed looked like it to us.

I thought that too but it may have been a combination of her super-jump plus slow motion. And of course the lightning bolt at the end wasn't all her own power I assume.
 
Something my daughter and I were left confused about is if she can fly or at the very least levitate. Some shots indeed looked like it to us.

I think she can just jump real high and hover. That's just my guess. The movie doesn't make it clear if she can truly fly.
 
Something my daughter and I were left confused about is if she can fly or at the very least levitate. Some shots indeed looked like it to us.
I don't think she can fly. There was that brief shot during the final battle where she seemed to be floating mid air but then IIRC the next shot was her getting her ass kicked. Then the ending of the movie just seemed like her taking a massive leap in the air.
 
I thought that too but it may have been a combination of her super-jump plus slow motion. And of course the lightning bolt at the end wasn't all her own power I assume.
My family and I both left the theater in agreement on one thing though, Wondy can kick Superman's ass if it came down to it. lol
 
I saw the movie today and enjoyed it. My expectations were low but I was surprised that Gadot was actually pretty good. Captain Kirk didn't quite steal the show but still carried a lot of the movie though. The action scenes were good but they overused the slow mo hero shots a bit. After the 5th time she deflects a bullet or does a backflip in slo mo it gets old. I know the movie had a relatively low budget but I hope in the sequel they up the action choreography and rely less on CG. I'm also bummed that Trevor died, it makes me skeptical about the sequel if he isn't in it. But you don't see a body so who knows.

Others have pointed it out already but I also got Captain America: FA vibes from the movie. The plots and aesthetic were so similar, I was almost surprised the renegade German army guy didn't turn red when he took the super serum. But to give WW credit her multi-cultural strike team was more fleshed out and interesting than Cap's team.

Overall, a solid 7/10 for me.
 
I saw the movie today and enjoyed it. My expectations were low but I was surprised that Gadot was actually pretty good. Captain Kirk didn't quite steal the show but still carried a lot of the movie though. The action scenes were good but they overused the slow mo hero shots a bit. After the 5th time she deflects a bullet or does a backflip in slo mo it gets old. I know the movie had a relatively low budget but I hope in the sequel they up the action choreography and rely less on CG. I'm also bummed that Trevor died, it makes me skeptical about the sequel if he isn't in it. But you don't see a body so who knows.

Others have pointed it out already but I also got Captain America: FA vibes from the movie. The plots and aesthetic were so similar, I was almost surprised the renegade German army guy didn't turn red when he took the super serum. But to give WW credit her multi-cultural strike team was more fleshed out and interesting than Cap's team.

Overall, a solid 7/10 for me.
Steve got pretty blown up. Not sure if he can return.

Maybe they'll do some shit like the 70's show and oh hey this is Steve's great great nephew who looks just like him so they use Pine again.
 
The "reveal" scene when Diana came out of the trenches was easily the best scene like that we've had in a superhero movie in a long long time. The first time the WW music kicked in during the village fight was amazing too. The movie wasn't perfect by any means, but those scenes and Gal Gadot's earnestness easily make up for any deficiencies elsewhere. Loved it.

Steve got pretty blown up. Not sure if he can return.
There's also the fact that next time we see WW the movie will likely be at least 30 years in the future. Maybe David Ducovny can star as older Chris Pine.
 
Steve got pretty blown up. Not sure if he can return.

Maybe they'll do some shit like the 70's show and oh hey this is Steve's great great nephew who looks just like him so they use Pine again.

It's comic books. If they want him back--and I can't imagine why they wouldn't--they'll figure out a way to do it.
 
Just got back. Not bad overall, some of the effects were just cringe worthy and bugged me. Too much slow-mo.

I'll have to watch it again :)
 
I'm still pissed at Marvel for retconning Jean Grey/Phoenix. That storyline blew me away as a kid when I first read it in the monthly issues, and then they just sucked all the power and nobility out of it with one retrospective plot twist.

I'm still bitter about that to this day. Both me and my bro fucking shed tears when she chose to sacrifice herself. Smh.
 
The "reveal" scene when Diana came out of the trenches was easily the best scene like that we've had in a superhero movie in a long long time. The first time the WW music kicked in during the village fight was amazing too. The movie wasn't perfect by any means, but those scenes and Gal Gadot's earnestness easily make up for any deficiencies elsewhere. Loved it.


There's also the fact that next time we see WW the movie will likely be at least 30 years in the future. Maybe David Ducovny can star as older Chris Pine.

Just saw it today. The theater I was in applauded at the moment. One of those rare times where the superhero having their Superhero moment really felt earned, and not contrived or hokie.

Fantastic movie. Definitely my favorite of the DC films (and about 95% of the crap Marvel spitting out these days...)
 
I have no investment in the lore or D.C. Universe, so I went on the premise of a good summer flick.

Loved Gal Gadot, but the core conceit of the character at the end of the movie is absolutely garbage.


So you spend the entire movie telling us how much she loves humanity, but she only goes supernova/full Wonder Woman not for the love of humanity, but for the love of a dude? How does that make her character any stronger? How did her hooking up with Steve make her a better character? She ends up saving humanity out of loss, not out of love. And not the loss of her innocent faith in humanity, but the loss of her sexual love of Steve? Really?


Also, would have been much better if Steve was Ares. That would have made her FAR more interesting.
 
I hope not. It'd cheapen the sacrifice.

I don't think the character's coming back, but it would be very ballsy to get Chris Pine in your franchise then just shelve him after one, you know?

Either way, that's a problem for the bean counters to figure out first before the writers get around to it.

I have no investment in the lore or D.C. Universe, so I went on the premise of a good summer flick.

Loved Gal Gadot, but the core conceit of the character at the end of the movie is absolutely garbage.


So you spend the entire movie telling us how much she loves humanity, but she only goes supernova/full Wonder Woman not for the love of humanity, but for the love of a dude? How does that make her character any stronger? How did her hooking up with Steve make her a better character? She ends up saving humanity out of loss, not out of love. And not the loss of her innocent faith in humanity, but the loss of her sexual love of Steve? Really?


Also, would have been much better if Steve was Ares. That would have made her FAR more interesting.

That's not my reading tho. I'm sure she's sad that he dies, but she's more moved by his faith in her, no? Listen to what he says before he goes off.
 
I have no investment in the lore or D.C. Universe, so I went on the premise of a good summer flick.

Loved Gal Gadot, but the core conceit of the character at the end of the movie is absolutely garbage.


So you spend the entire movie telling us how much she loves humanity, but she only goes supernova/full Wonder Woman not for the love of humanity, but for the love of a dude? How does that make her character any stronger? How did her hooking up with Steve make her a better character? She ends up saving humanity out of loss, not out of love. And not the loss of her innocent faith in humanity, but the loss of her sexual love of Steve? Really?


Also, would have been much better if Steve was Ares. That would have made her FAR more interesting.

I didn't take it that way.

I mean, yeah, there was definitely a romantic component to her grief, but I think his sacrifice played an equal or bigger role. Remember, up until that point, Ares was managing to get into her head with his whole "mankind are ultimately evil and need to be exterminated" schtick.
 
Final act was pretty bad, but the rest was great. Hope they clean it up on the next one and make a classic out of it.
 
I didn't take it that way.

I mean, yeah, there was definitely a romantic component to her grief, but I think his sacrifice played an equal or bigger role. Remember, up until that point, Ares was managing to get into her head with his whole "mankind are ultimately evil and need to be exterminated" schtick.

His sacrifice for what though? If you think Hero's Journey - he never has a moment of all is lost. His sacrifice doesn't explicitly save his friends. His sacrifice doesn't prevent him from doing something important moving forward. His sacrifice nominally ends WW1, but you never see who he saves. You know more wars are coming. He spends the entire movie trying to protect his own life, to WW's dismay, then she saves a village, he gets lucky, and then he becomes some courageous, morally redeemed character. Then the movie reinforces the love element as the emotionally resonant note for WW. Then does it again in the note to Bruce Wayne.

All Wonder Woman needed to truly love humans and defeat Ares was getting laid. Drives me nuts.
 
If the love interest in Wonder Woman 2 isn't this guy we riot
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His sacrifice for what though? If you think Hero's Journey - he never has a moment of all is lost. His sacrifice doesn't explicitly save his friends. His sacrifice doesn't prevent him from doing something important moving forward. His sacrifice nominally ends WW1, but you never see who he saves. You know more wars are coming. He spends the entire movie trying to protect his own life, to WW's dismay, then she saves a village, he gets lucky, and then he becomes some courageous, morally redeemed character. Then the movie reinforces the love element as the emotionally resonant note for WW. Then does it again in the note to Bruce Wayne.

All Wonder Woman needed to truly love humans and defeat Ares was getting laid. Drives me nuts.

I disagree with Steve becoming a "morally redeemed" character, because his morality was never compromised. We're introduced to his character fleeing from the Nazis after stealing their top secret research when all his original mission required of him was to just observe. Diana travels to the front lines of the war because Steve lies to the general and disobeys direct orders to not go there. He's the one who attempts to bring Diana back after she kills "Ares" and doesn't see instant world peace. Throughout the entire movie Steve's actions are guided by the horror he saw in Dr. Poison's lab and his drive to save the world from it. Steve is pretty much always good. He's the Damsel Do-Good we're so used to seeing women play in these films. The Lois Lane, if you will.

And really, that's his role in the film. For Diana, he represents the flawed goodness in man, and that's why his sacrifice is important. We didn't need a Hero's Journey for Steve, because he's not the hero. He's the representation of humanity's ability to do good for good's sake, which if you recall Diana was just about to give up believing in.
 
And really, that's his role in the film. For Diana, he represents the flawed goodness in man, and that's why his sacrifice is important. We didn't need a Hero's Journey for Steve, because he's not the hero. He's the representation of humanity's ability to do good for good's sake, which if you recall Diana was just about to give up believing in.

That's fair. But you don't really get a full hero's journey for Diana. It might be the overall weakness of the third act, but it came off as a bit obvious and crass to me.

You are right about Steve though, that is a good point. But the sexual interest was basically the story beat when she saves him and he comes to, the beat after the first battle, when Diana experienced human death/war for the first time, the beat after she saves the village, and the beat after her faux defeat of Ares. I'm psyched that we got a great female superhero movie, but from a Film Crit standpoint, it was disappointing.
 
Loved the movie. Gal Gadot is so charming. Never expected her to pull off a solo movie let alone a Wonder Woman solo movie. The action was so good. It's probably my favorite Superhero origin movie ever. I wish they treated Superman like this. The rush to release Justice League kinda ruined his character. But still I enjoyed his movies and can't wait for his return.
 
I saw it last night.
The No Mans Land sequence (from her leaving the trench to her destroying the church) is still running in my head.

I don't know why everything in that sequence just locks in and works, but that whole sequence sold me on her. It sold me on Gal Gadot. It sold me on everything they were trying to do with how her character thinks.

It's good enough that the thought process of watching BvS again, just for her.

EDIT: I am in agreement that I wish they would recenter the DCU around her, instead on Superman.
 
Dislikes (there wasn't much):

There wasn't much i disliked about this movie. The scenes after Steve Trevor's interrogation but before they leave the island dragged, which i noticed because my mind wandered off the movie and onto an issue i had with someone on facebook this morning, because at that point it's like "we know where this is going, just get on with it." But that was the only down-time moment in the movie that left me dissatisfied. Others had enough interesting elements to them to keep me hooked.

Etta Candy was a nice character but quite pointless.

Ares shouldn't have been Sir Patrick, but should've been that British general early on who said that it's a soldier's job to die, just to show that Ares was manipulating both sides of the war. The argument that he wanted Armistice just so he could watch them break it later fell flat for me, especially since he knew about Dr. Poison's work which could've prolonged the war at the last minute, or at least caused a million or so more deaths.

Dr. Poison didn't get enough emphasis, and where did she just wander off to at the last moment?

An editing nitpick is when Wonder Woman remembers that her sword is still stuck in the roof of the lookout post. It cuts away, then she has it back. Now that's not an error, and it makes sense that she had to go retrieve it, but it still feels weird even knowing it happened, like "brb Ares, gotta get my God Killer."

Likes:
Kid Diana and basically everything on Themyscira barring the scenes right before she leaves.

Theme and characterization: it's a loss of innocence story for Diana but doesn't engage in pointless cruelty. The backdrop of World War I helps, you take one of the most horrible events in human history and then you don't have to invent over-the-top evil supervillains, but instead take a look at the little bits of evil that regular folks have been capable of in history. There's good and evil in all of us, but what separates us is the ability to love.

Steve Trevor seducing Dr. Poison. I was the only one in my row who was laughing when he was talking about the destructive power of fire as a pickup line.

Diversity! Woman-led movie, Amazons of multiple races (which works as ancient Greeks had contact with the folks of the Near East and North Africa), along with the depiction of Colonial Corps soldiers, and even a callout of America's genocide of the native Americans.

The No-Man's Land scene. Emphasizing the name is a bit on the nose "No *man*, get it?", but it was so badass and you can see the hope of those poor British trench soldiers, someone who could save them from their horror and single-handedly thwart the enemy.

Good Stuff from the DCU:

The exposition dump was lighter and woven in well.

Everything was tight, unlike BvS and Suicide Squad which had all kinds of junk in it that wasn't needed, it was a nice self-contained story and they didn't lean too hard on the framing device of trying to connect it to the modern day and Wonder Woman's relationship with Batman.

Actual witty dialogue that usually didn't try too hard.

Consistency of message. Not like Suicide Squad which waffled on redemption or the goodness of any of them (or shat all over it in how Harley takes back the Joker at the end), BvS which was again all over the place with too many messages and attempts at themes, or Man of Steel whose critical failure was arguably its misinterpretation of Superman.

Hope for the Future:

It's a beautifully refreshing movie that gives me hope for Justice League. We hear they've been feverishly reshooting, and Joss Whedon's taken over the final stretch of production after the family tragedy that struck Zach Snyder (which is in no way justified by his removal from the project, let me be clear. What happened to his daughter was awful).

The nice thing about Justice League is that all of the weird backstory stuff was sort of absorbed by the inferior movies of BvS and Man of Steel, or the better movie Wonder Woman. It might get stuck a little talking about Aquaman and the Flash, but BvS did work on Cyborg's background so we shouldn't need to go too deep on that, and the dream sequence in BvS along with the post-credits sequence sets up the Apokalips connection.

Now they just need to take what worked from Wonder Woman and shoehorn it in, and they should have a movie like this, where there's nothing overly bad to drag down the good stuff.
 
Interesting reading the criticisms, especially about the love interest angle. Not going to argue against people's impressions - I didn't take quite the negative view of that, and how "all she needed to do was get laid" take.

Anyways, saw this for a 2nd time today - this time in 2D. Enjoyed the presentation much more, and this 2nd viewing has cemented this easily into my top 3 superhero movies of all time.

I thought it was a great origin story, and I was really glad that we spent the right amount of time on Themyscira. That was really well executed.

Over all, the story came together well, Gadot was incredible in the role, and the whole thing wove together well. Yes, the 3rd act was the weakest, but that doesn't mean it was bad at all. The first two acts were just very, very good.

The final shot of WW leaping off the building was, I thought, not the best choice for closing the film. I get that the last shot needs to 'seal the deal' - it just looked more than a little fake to me. Minor complaint on my part, it does nothing to diminish the movie.

Minor point: as I was waiting in line to get in today, I could hear the music playing during the credits. Made me want to hear the soundtrack on it's own. Some good sounding stuff in there.
 
Yeah when the WW theme kicked in for the first time in the middle of village action segment that was pretty cool. And she OPed the bad guys in great fashion.
 
Dislikes (there wasn't much):
An editing nitpick is when Wonder Woman remembers that her sword is still stuck in the roof of the lookout post. It cuts away, then she has it back. Now that's not an error, and it makes sense that she had to go retrieve it, but it still feels weird even knowing it happened, like "brb Ares, gotta get my God Killer."

Not sure if I am misunderstanding you, but they did show her 'landing' back in her original spot with sword in hand, indicating that she had retrieved it. It didn't just magically appear in her hand. Are you saying that the move to have to get it was a mistake in shot planning? i.e. she should have had it in her hand when she sees Sir Patrick suddenly appear?

If so, I agree with the latter. Not sure why she would leave her sword there.

Not that it matters, she lost the sword anyways and had a completely different one for BvS. :)

THAT, to me, is a bit of an error. It seems to me that the 'gifts left by the gods' that were kept in the tower all had magical properties of some kind. The sword included.

In BvS, that sword cut through Doomsday pretty neatly, including cutting off it's hand. I figured it was some kind of magical sword. And yet the sword she has for BvS is apparently a replacement (from where, who knows).
 
Now that I think again, with such an awesome and charming Wonder Woman, I hope they don't do Injustice storyline which was hinted in BvS. Instead they should stick to Flashpoint but that again has a villainous WW. I don't want an evil WW on screen now :(
 
I disagree with Steve becoming a "morally redeemed" character, because his morality was never compromised. We're introduced to his character fleeing from the Nazis after stealing their top secret research when all his original mission required of him was to just observe. Diana travels to the front lines of the war because Steve lies to the general and disobeys direct orders to not go there. He's the one who attempts to bring Diana back after she kills "Ares" and doesn't see instant world peace. Throughout the entire movie Steve's actions are guided by the horror he saw in Dr. Poison's lab and his drive to save the world from it. Steve is pretty much always good. He's the Damsel Do-Good we're so used to seeing women play in these films. The Lois Lane, if you will.

And really, that's his role in the film. For Diana, he represents the flawed goodness in man, and that's why his sacrifice is important. We didn't need a Hero's Journey for Steve, because he's not the hero. He's the representation of humanity's ability to do good for good's sake, which if you recall Diana was just about to give up believing in.
What Nazis, this was World War I.
 
The final shot of WW leaping off the building was, I thought, not the best choice for closing the film. I get that the last shot needs to 'seal the deal' - it just looked more than a little fake to me. Minor complaint on my part, it does nothing to diminish the movie.
I don't mind the last shot, per se, but I've seen the movie twice and there is nothing on the Paris horizon that looks like it needs saving. Couldn't they have CGIed a burning building or something? lol
 
Yeah when the WW theme kicked in for the first time in the middle of village action segment that was pretty cool. And she OPed the bad guys in great fashion.

I actually like that theme. It is instantly recognizable as WW. If you gave me the themes for Marvel's movies (do they even have themes for every character??) I could never in a million years place them.


I actually don't remember Batman or Superman themes either off the top of my head now that I think about it.
 
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