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Terrorist attack in London [up: 6 people killed, ~50 injured, 3 attackers dead]

D4Danger

Unconfirmed Member
eyewitness on bbc news saying he saw three people shouting and stabbing people. they stabbed one women 10-15 times and he tried throwing a stool and bottle at them but had to run. He tried to warn people as he was running and he saw them stab a bouncer and go into a bar.
 

Betty

Banned
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Well the suspect in the twitter pic does look like he's wearing a bomb vest, it wouldn't shock me if they have explosives.
 
You don't even need a bomb. That's the scary thing

bomb one week. van one week.

Seriously, it'll come to a point where normal citizenry should carry these:

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if a few people had it, they could at least have a red hot go at fighting back

The last thing we need is citizens walking around armed as the norm. That's basically lawless anarchy. People would reach for weapons every time there's any kind of confrontation. We have police for a reason.
 

Juicy Bob

Member
I got drunk last night and went to bed about 10:00pm.

I've woken up at 2am unable to get back to sleep, thrown on BBC just for something to do.

This is not what I was expecting to see at all. Fucking hell.
 

Ether_Snake

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Absolutely disgusting .
The government should be given more sweeping powers to crackdown on extremist groups.

Pretty sure the government already has the power now to arrest such people without warrants and hold them indefinitely.
 

Moosichu

Member
Tell that to the people at London Bridge.

What's happened is horrific, why would I do something so callous? I was responding to a poster suggesting we arm ourselves, that kind of thing can lead to way more deaths than any terrorist attack. We are in a safe country.

Compare the UK to the US for example, many Americans like to feel safer by being armed, but does it actually make them safer?
 

gngf123

Member
Nevermind, BBC reporting on the explosions now.

Could be a controlled explosion. Could be a flashbang. It's irresponsible to report an explosion without confirmation.

Yeah, and the BBC are more cautious than most too. Makes sense.
 

Oriel

Member
Eyewitness on BBC just said some of the perpetrators were shouting 'this is for Allah!'

Ughh... Really fucking sad.

Yeah, I'm sure "Allah" was chuffed to pieces at innocent people having 10" blades driven into their torsos in his name. Fucking muppets.
 
eyewitness on bbc news saying he saw three people shouting and stabbing people. they stabbed one women 10-15 times and he tried throwing a stool and bottle at them but had to run. He tried to warn people as he was running and he saw them stab a bouncer and go into a bar.
These kind of details are heartbreaking
 
And hopefully torture him.

Torture has already been proven to do absolutely fuck all in terms of getting solid concrete info for the person who getting tortured. It likely just leads to more fallout and innocents getting caught up as the perp just blurts out any old shit to make the torture stop.
 

D4Danger

Unconfirmed Member
That guy got released from Guantanamo bay got reportedly a 1m in comp then went on to jihad now is dead, cant remember his name but its pretty recent.

Jamal Al-Harith

released from gitmo in 2004 with £1m then blew himself up in 2017
 

Yoda

Member
Why would they have controlled explosion on the bridge? Disarming a bomb?

The last thing we need is citizens walking around armed as the norm. That's basically lawless anarchy. People would reach for weapons every time there's any kind of confrontation. We have police for a reason.

The weapon in the picture isn't a lethal weapon, so it's no different than someone carrying pepper spray or a taser (a taser is actually prob more effective than the item pictured).
 

Moosichu

Member
This is equally naive. Doing nothing and carrying on as normal won't stop the attacks. People in London carried on as normal after the last Westminster attack and yet here we are again. Terror planners don't sit there and think, oh, #WeAreNotAfraid is trending, so I guess we might as well cancel our attacks. Nobody blows up schoolgirls at a concert because they think it will somehow lure the West into a trap of 'reacting' and doing some vaguely racist things to Muslims - I mean, they may hope for this outcome as a secondary objective, but ultimately do it simply because they hate and despise Western society and civilisation, and really so believe that God commands them to the righteous duty of killing the unbelievers, and that paradise awaits this holy work.

You can't understand the phenomenon of Islamic terrorism if you try and sterilise discussion by pretending it's some kind of passing fad that will fade if the West ignores it and turns the other cheek. There is no evidence that Salafism/Wahhabism is terminally exhausted as an ideology/theology; you can't say that it will fade away if the West stoically refuses to react to it. This strain of Islam has been developing for decades and it's not going anywhere.

The notion that Islamic fundamentalists are simply trying to 'sow division among communities' is far too simplistic. This misapplies Western secular thinking to a deeply religious community. ISIS is deeply committed to an extremely conservative theology. Their jihadists believe they are spiritually commanded to butcher unbelievers and punish the crusader states. They will keep attacking for as long as they, and their interpretations of Islam, persist. How the unbelievers react is of secondary importance only. If we sit here and do nothing, it makes very little difference to them - they don't define success as 'increasing racism in Britain', they define it as 'slaughtering the kuffar'. They are content to keep on killing us because that's what God instructs them to do.

These attacks won't just stop. Doing nothing won't help. ISIS won't give up if we sit tight. There is no reason to say that 'living normally' somehow switches off the theological magnets powering salafist jihadism. This is naive denialism.


It won't get better until Western authorities start taking a smarter approach to integration and religion.

Good points.
 

TTOOLL

Member
That's not what Khan was saying at all. He was on point.

Thats not what he said, we've been over this a million times.

Thanks, I looked up the quote again and he said that being prepared for attacks should be the norm. For me it's pretty much the same. Also, there are plenty of big cities around the word that are not targets of terrorist attacks.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sadiq-khan-london-mayor-terrorism-attacks-part-and-parcel-major-cities-new-york-bombing-a7322846.html
 

gngf123

Member
What are controlled explosions? Is it safely detonating explosives that they have recovered?

Basically that but more general, yes.

Anything suspicious that was left around and could be risky to fiddle with? Police will safely blow it up. Often without knowing for sure if it was a bomb or not.
 
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Deleted member 325805

Unconfirmed Member
Jesus I just logged​ into Reddit and saw we'd been hit again, I was just chilling watching Supernatural and had no idea about any of this. The attack happend only 40 minutes away from me :/
 
Why would they have controlled explosion on the bridge? Disarming a bomb?

What are controlled explosions? Is it safely detonating explosives that they have recovered?

Controlled explosions are a means of attempting to destroy a potential, unexploded device within relatively contained confines and/or controlled conditions so as to minimise damage if it is a device. This is typically safer than trying to relocate the device elsewhere, or defuse it.

So it would be they found something they considered a possible device, decided to deal with it.
 

Dopus

Banned
Thanks, I looked up the quote again and he said that being prepared for attacks should be the norm. For me it's pretty much the same. Also, there are plenty of big cities around the word that are not targets of terrorist attacks.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sadiq-khan-london-mayor-terrorism-attacks-part-and-parcel-major-cities-new-york-bombing-a7322846.html

His statement is about being prepared for things like this if they happen and for citizens to stay vigilant. It's called being responsible. So really, it's not the same whatsoever.
 
You don't think the perpetrator(s) of this attack deserve torture? I think they deserve far worse than torture.

wtf do people expect to gain from torture? sink to their level and do some inhumane shit?
The fact thats even suggested makes me nauseous. Take a step back and think about it.
 
What are controlled explosions? Is it safely detonating explosives that they have recovered?

Police will routinely sweep the surrounding area, any and all packages, bags, or even discarded clothing - basically anything that could have been carried by the attackers and can also hold an explosive, they will quarantine the area, then bomb specialists will set off their own explosion in order to remove the threat.
 
wtf do people expect to gain from torture? sink to their level and do some inhumane shit?
The fact thats even suggested makes me nauseous. Take a step back and think about it.

I wouldn't advocate for torture, but since they want to die anyway, I'd advocate possible psychometric analysis, maybe a bit of brainwashing. See if you can deprogram these people etc.
 

Newline

Member
All the people say keep calm carry on, its hard man and im not sure how people can't be affected by this.
If my parents could live in London during the IRA terrorism of the 80's and 90's, I can continue to live in London during this period of radical Islamist terrorism. Keep calm and carry on indeed.
 

Ashes

Banned
I just dont understand...what god would be ok with the killing of innocent people...

Killing innocent civilians is wrong in Wahhabism too. They do technically allow for death via collateral damage - unintentional killings like the majority of Western countries.

Isis don't really need hadiths or mainstream Islamic scholars, they use the above and say you can kill everyone not on Isis side as an enemy combatant. Babies or anybody.
 
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