firehawk12
Subete no aware
Surprised they didn't make a "guys wear makeup now?" joke.
Wonder Woman |OT| The World is Ready for You, Gal Gad [SPOILERS]
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Sunster
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I thought it was amazing. as did most the audience in my theater, clapping and gasping and laughing at some parts. this was my favorite hero movie after the batman trilogy.
question: I arrived in the theater maybe 5-10 minutes in, at the part where Diana is being trained by Antiope. Can someone tell me what happened before then?
question: I arrived in the theater maybe 5-10 minutes in, at the part where Diana is being trained by Antiope. Can someone tell me what happened before then?
GeorgioCostanzaX
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I'm with you there and I actually haven't hated the DCU films to date...but goddamn this is the direction they need to maintain with Justice League: keep the heart up.
Wouldn't have minded seeing his reaction to that lolSurprised they didn't make a "guys wear makeup now?" joke.
But going by Joss Whedon's deleted scene from Avenger, they wanted to play off his detachment as more sad than funny.
Nemesis121
Member
You complain about the CGI just remember this, a female director with limited funds, WW cost $149million, they gave Zack $300m to make BvS...
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The first part is basicallyMoana. She wants to train but her mother doesn't think it's safe so she forbids her.
Maybe that would have been an interesting way to play the scene, to show how innocent or disconnected she is from reality.
I get that it's a comedy scene though, but they apparently just waited for hours while she tried out over TWO HUNDRED dresses.
Yeah, you have to save the world... but first, let's play dress up?
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Oh boy. It's practically an indie film.
Young Diana running around the island and the story of Themyscira's creation.
On reflection, my favorite moment in the film is when Diana turns around and starts to take her hair down, while in the trenches along no mans land. It was a quiet little moment ahead of a bombastic one that is getting the most attention, but that small moment resonated more strongly; literal goosebumps. She's like, fuck this shit, enough talk.
I also really enjoyed the scene of Steve trying to explain to her, after she's killed who she thought was Ares, that things are complex and messy and there are lots of bad people and you can't just solve that. I thought Pine did a good job with his apologetic frustration, and Gal's naivete slowly crumbling down was affecting.
I also really enjoyed the scene of Steve trying to explain to her, after she's killed who she thought was Ares, that things are complex and messy and there are lots of bad people and you can't just solve that. I thought Pine did a good job with his apologetic frustration, and Gal's naivete slowly crumbling down was affecting.
SCULLIBUNDO said:
So I take it, you didn't like it?
BronsonLee
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150 mil is a lot of goddamn money guys
They actually did a real good job setting this up the whole movie. Steve's extremely polite and rather passive - Diana tends to steamroll over him on most things they discuss even though she's usually not entirely right (talking about sex, not picking up that he was lying to his boss, etc)
Then they get to that point, and he can't really be passive about it anymore
They actually did a real good job setting this up the whole movie. Steve's extremely polite and rather passive - Diana tends to steamroll over him on most things they discuss even though she's usually not entirely right (talking about sex, not picking up that he was lying to his boss, etc)
Then they get to that point, and he can't really be passive about it anymore
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Good guess. I also didn't hate it.
I was disappointed because the opening half hour showed a good amount of promise.
Am I still allowed to stick around here and discuss it?
Nemesis121
Member
You making a big budget movie with a famous character, and you get half the budget BvS got, and shot on different locations, the burial scene for Superman in BvS with Jets and horse carriage and soldiers is 75% fucking CGI filmed on WB lot...
My favorite part of the movie too. Gave me chills and brought tears to my eyes. What kind of world is worth saving if she's abandoning those people? And then the gas takes them out anyway. Brutal.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Dude, pointing our that WW has half the budget BvS got, pointing out it's only $145m, doesn't suddenly make that a small budget. Jesus. It's plenty of money to work with for a tentpole blockbuster. It's the same budget as Mad Max: Fury Road.
It had a smaller budget than a lot of other more bloated super hero movies, but that's a big enough budget that it's hard to excuse away the problems with the CG. I suspect most of the CG problems came down to time rather than budget.
Seriously. It's a huge budget. We have to compare it to some of the most expensive movies ever to make it sound small. It's not small.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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I was talking to someone who used to work at MPC (a Montreal visual effects company) and he told me they were still working on film until April, so it's certainly possible the effects of the film were ultimately pretty rushed.
That seems to fit with my impression of the effects: they don't seem "low budget" but ultimately unfinished in a lot of cases. There's a number of moments, like that scene where Diana knees a soldier out of a window, where her face does not look right at all but otherwise the shot looks fine.
That seems to fit with my impression of the effects: they don't seem "low budget" but ultimately unfinished in a lot of cases. There's a number of moments, like that scene where Diana knees a soldier out of a window, where her face does not look right at all but otherwise the shot looks fine.
Discotheque
Banned
Yeah 150 is still huge
This genre got budget bloat though where that is on the lower end these days. Particularly with dceu movies. JL is prolly 250+
Only times where I was put off by cgi here were where they showed her face on a stuntdouble. It looked outright awful but they were small moments.
Oh and also when little Diana jumped off a cliff or whatever. Lmao at the greenscreen effect they had there
This genre got budget bloat though where that is on the lower end these days. Particularly with dceu movies. JL is prolly 250+
Only times where I was put off by cgi here were where they showed her face on a stuntdouble. It looked outright awful but they were small moments.
Oh and also when little Diana jumped off a cliff or whatever. Lmao at the greenscreen effect they had there
DecoReturns
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Wonder Women had the same budget (well q million less ) as Batman Begins. Doesn't mean anything, just a little fact. (2005 vs 2017 tho).
I appreciate the on-set locations. I also guess right which country they used for Themyscria. Beautiful area
Edit: I would say Wonder Woman has a big budget, but BvS and Man of Steel had a way too big of a budget.
) as Batman Begins. Doesn't mean anything, just a little fact. (2005 vs 2017 tho). I appreciate the on-set locations. I also guess right which country they used for Themyscria. Beautiful area
Edit: I would say Wonder Woman has a big budget, but BvS and Man of Steel had a way too big of a budget.
BronsonLee
Member
Yeah that warehouse fight was cut weird
But oh mah gawd her kneeing the poor sod right out the window got me good, like when Cap kneed the shit out of Bucky into a van
BewareTheBatsie
Member
My favorite little scene was Diana losing her mind over the baby and straight away running for it. Since she was the only child at her home and everyone else was grown up, it was the first time she had ever seen a child before so her freaking out was quite cute.
Discotheque
Banned
Diana doing a lasso kick and also the tiger knee was so dope
Nemesis121
Member
$150m IMO is not huge if you going to have a CGI battle at the end with Ares, there were many moments in which you could see the budget stretching to the very end, quite a lot of slowdown and bad CGI, looks like the CGI budget started to get thin right after no man's land, when she jumped off the wall into building and fought all those soldiers that was rough..
Also, the biggest cheer in my theater came when Diana ripped the generals a new one for being cowards in their war room. Most movies like this, the big super hero moments get cheers (HULK SMASH). Tearing into men in power for making callous decisions from the safety of their offices resonates as strongly now as ever.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
It was an extra-lenghth comic as well.
I loved thise dollar comics.
Regular comics at the time we're 35 cents, and about the same length as modern comics.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Bro, again, this movie had the same budget as Mad Max and maybe half the amount of action.
$150m is a big goddamn budget.
Wonder Woman had a higher budget than Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol (aka Ghotocol).
Discotheque
Banned
Whew. Beautiful gifs. Dude needs to announce his new movie already.
I think this movie was just a result of Pattys inexperience with directing effects work though, I imagine the next one will look better
I think this movie was just a result of Pattys inexperience with directing effects work though, I imagine the next one will look better
Nemesis121
Member
Bro, again, this movie had the same budget as Mad Max and maybe half the amount of action.
$150m is a big goddamn budget.
Wonder Woman had a higher budget than Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol (aka Ghotocol).
Yup you right.. sleep time for me on the east coast..
NotoriousPUG
Member
I felt the same. Some of the early stuff was really entertaining, but the action was fairly poor and the villain was weak. It was still better than Suicide Squad, but not as good as BvS or MoS.
All in all this movie made me more excited to see her in Justice League.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Bro, again, this movie had the same budget as Mad Max and maybe half the amount of action.
$150m is a big goddamn budget.
Wonder Woman had a higher budget than Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol (aka Ghotocol).
Period costumes cost a lot more that Mad Max outfits.
Fury Road is an anomaly.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Yeah I was actually enjoying everything prior to Wonder Woman leaving Outset Island.
Definitely kinda blown away by how much I enjoyed this. Managed to balance heart, character and humor while still carrying a lot of the weight the war setting brings. Gadot was solid. I think I most surprised by how great a lot of the action sequences were. Some cheez in the end, but not enough to really bother me. Just overall a very impressive package.
Up there with some of my favorites, alongside stuff like Iron Man, Begins/TDK, WS, etc for me.
Up there with some of my favorites, alongside stuff like Iron Man, Begins/TDK, WS, etc for me.
One thing I thought about on the way back was how far superhero films have come in the last decade in particular in the area of actually being comic adaptations. I thought about how if this film was made in say 2005, then Ares in the climax would have stayed as just a guy in a regular coat and clothes the whole time. Instead now he sheds that and appears in crazy armour straight out of the comics.
The whole "X-Men wear black leather and barely use codenames so you know this is a serious film and not Batman & Robin" era was very necessary in getting people to take comic book movies seriously but I'm glad it's passed now and we can have Amazons on secret Greek islands and daughters of Zeus wearing an absurd corset and skirt costume with a glowing lasso that causes truth telling.
Comic book superheroes are inherently silly, so just play it straight, audiences won't (and don't) mind one bit.
The whole "X-Men wear black leather and barely use codenames so you know this is a serious film and not Batman & Robin" era was very necessary in getting people to take comic book movies seriously but I'm glad it's passed now and we can have Amazons on secret Greek islands and daughters of Zeus wearing an absurd corset and skirt costume with a glowing lasso that causes truth telling.
Comic book superheroes are inherently silly, so just play it straight, audiences won't (and don't) mind one bit.
Saw this tonight and absolutely loved it. I'm actually kind of bummed we won't get another period piece for WW, but can't wait to see what happens for the sequel. I really hope JL doesn't poison the DC well again because this is so refreshing after Snyder's horrible takes on the universe.
It's also amazing how much more likable Gadot is as WW than Cavill is as Superman, though that likely has to do with her having better material here than anything Cavill has been given as Superman.
I dunno, I know people wanted X-Men to be all spandexed-out back in the day, but I think X-Men's overtones on minority rep, etc. are enough to make the "realistic" take work (and it has worked to a large extent in most of their films, IMO). It helps that those films haven't been tied into any of these cinematic universes, actually.
It's also amazing how much more likable Gadot is as WW than Cavill is as Superman, though that likely has to do with her having better material here than anything Cavill has been given as Superman.
I dunno, I know people wanted X-Men to be all spandexed-out back in the day, but I think X-Men's overtones on minority rep, etc. are enough to make the "realistic" take work (and it has worked to a large extent in most of their films, IMO). It helps that those films haven't been tied into any of these cinematic universes, actually.
There was, you just didn't see it.
It was in four scenes, man. Just squint.
Just chiming in to say I really loved this movie. It wasn't quite "captain america the first avenger" good but it was incredibly damn close and I'm very happy they didn't fuck up Diana's first big screen outing.
DC has had 3 strikes in my books but I badly wanted to see a Wonder Woman movie so I'm very happy it ended up better than those other 3 films combined... I may actually give Justice League a chance now but I'm really not expecting much there either even with the whedon news. There's a chance at least the quality bar might inch back to man of steel level but ... that still wasn't good.
Now I can't help but imagine what things would have been like if this was the first DCCU film... it's still a tiny bit bleak and sepia toned at points but imagine if we got a superman film that followed the lead here instead of superman being a depressing sad sack and batman being so old and bitter he kills people constantly and brands his perps.
Ah well, what's done is done. Even if JL and every other DC film sucks hardcore, at least a solid WW film came out of it.
DC has had 3 strikes in my books but I badly wanted to see a Wonder Woman movie so I'm very happy it ended up better than those other 3 films combined... I may actually give Justice League a chance now but I'm really not expecting much there either even with the whedon news. There's a chance at least the quality bar might inch back to man of steel level but ... that still wasn't good.
Now I can't help but imagine what things would have been like if this was the first DCCU film... it's still a tiny bit bleak and sepia toned at points but imagine if we got a superman film that followed the lead here instead of superman being a depressing sad sack and batman being so old and bitter he kills people constantly and brands his perps.
Ah well, what's done is done. Even if JL and every other DC film sucks hardcore, at least a solid WW film came out of it.
AntraxSuicide
Banned
I think the similar scene in Cap 1 would be when he goes and saves the POWs that were left for dead and everyone accepts that he's not some dancer.
Thor is actually a good comparison for the fish out of water thing. It's just instead of style of dress, it's him not getting social customs.
Isn't that classic supervillain behavior though? Always underestimating the hero / heroine?
I appreciated the villian didn't have some world ending agency in this, which is ironic considering he's literally a god among men. Instead it was about Diana.
That said, I don't think hiding him away untill the end worked well.
CadetMahoney
Member
lol.
I enjoyed the film. I don't think it lived up to the overwhelming positive feedback though. It was really good for a DCEU film, but when not comparing it to those movies it's just a good movie.
Kind of surprised at how highly it's being regarded. I don't think it's in the top of the genre. It's better than most of the MCU's efforts, but most of those are average to trash.
TheTylerDurden
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I'm not gonna lie. I got a bit emotional when she performed her first major act of heroism in the full costume. The quick decision to do it, the framing of her, the music, the way the rest of the men realized their opportunity and fought back- it was pitch perfect. Finally, a superheroine that isn't an absolute embarrassment. Gal Gadot knocked it out of the park. A well deserved success for the DCEU.
CadetMahoney
Member
Films like Thors have that McDonalds feel that makes want to avoid them like the plague. I went in prepared to be underwhelmed with this but it was a good movie even without comparing it to DC/Marvels.