The guy from Top Gear is more credible than that prick in a suit.
The Tories need to do the decent thing and fuck off right now.
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UK General Election 2017 |OT2| No Government is better than a bad Government
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The guy from Top Gear is more credible than that prick in a suit.
The Tories need to do the decent thing and fuck off right now.
If that's true then there's definitely a systemic failure going on in K&C. They should be able to handle this, it's what they prepare and plan for.
GamingKaiju
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The Tories are looking more and more into a unwinnable situation. They have no more candidates to put up for another GE. BoJo is very unpopular since the leave campaign and now with the cuts he drove through as mayor of London it will only back fire.
I'm not even sure if the Tories could axe may without triggering another GE considering parliament hasn't opened yet.
Hammond could take over as a place holder leader but I feel he doesn't want the job.
I'm not even sure if the Tories could axe may without triggering another GE considering parliament hasn't opened yet.
Hammond could take over as a place holder leader but I feel he doesn't want the job.
PJV3
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I hope so, but Corbyn is going to be treated differently in the next election, he's actually becoming a serious threat to some people.
Nah. The middle class & elderly seem to have a fetish for austerity forced on the poor.
Linkstrikesback
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UK General Election |OT3| Maymento Mori
frankie_baby
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I wonder if we'll see any newspapers switch sides for the next election, if Murdoch sees a labour victory as highly likely i could see him suppirting them in the hope they dont screw his papers too much
Very interesting twitter feed from Tim Shipman (who despite being an absolute twat is probably the best connected political journalist in the UK)
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/with_replies
Basically he's saying the only reason May hasn't gone is because the Tories are legitimately afraid for the country if Corbyn gets in.
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/with_replies
Basically he's saying the only reason May hasn't gone is because the Tories are legitimately afraid for the country if Corbyn gets in.
Principate
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Murdoch only cares about those that he can control and he even said as such (it's why he doesn't like the eu). The second those papers officially support Corbyn is the second you know Murdoch feels he's controllable.
Nah with proper left wingers the best you'll get from Murdoch is a ceasefire​.
Even that is highly, highly, highly unlikely. Blair had to basically promise the world to even get a meeting.
frankie_baby
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I think Murdoch has had it spelt out big time that his influence is waning, i could see such a move as attempt at self preservation
I fucking hate that cunt. His mask has repeatedly slipped in the last few months, unfortunately he knows shit so I can't just ignore him.
Dirtyshubb
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I just honestly wonder what world these people live in?
We had over 100 renowned economists sign a letter before the election saying the labour manifesto was the best way to help the country yet they are running around like he's some lunatic who's going to open up the banks and let people take what they want.
I guess they think Corbyn became more moderate for the campaign and when he gets in power he'll go far left?
Can't see it happening (would love it mind
) as whatever he wants to do he'll have to bring his party along with him, as well as the Lords.JonnyDBrit
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Basically. What they fear is honestly more that the nature of the economy would shift, as I imagine a successful Corbyn would be all too willing to to actually change it. Kinda ironic of course considering this is the party whose most iconic Prime Minister did the same back in the 1980s by turning us into the service economy we are today.
autumnleaf
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Seriously guys we'd stand aside and let anyone else take power but we can't in good conscious let Corbyn do it!
Cannot be stated enough.
The Tories simply do not get to play the 'we are fearful what Corbyn may do' card
I am terrified at what the Tories are DOING.
According to his Twitter ministers will not implement sprinklers or make changes to cladding unless there is an overwhelming response from the inquiry.
https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/875977891351330816
Essentially, they'll wait for everyone to forget and do nothing. Lessons will be learnt etc.
UpDownLeftRight
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Sounds more like the ramblings of mad men. Nothing all to surprising really. Let militants into no.10? Fuck off. Cause arming the Saudis has been such a great move from these degenerates.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
I agree it's complete nonsense. The most economically damaging thing done to this country in my lifetime is Brexit brought to you by the Tories.
There not going to scrap austerity ever. Its built in to their whole belief system, no matter how much it doesn't work they will carry on trying to balance government spending. Even though it has been proven time and again not to work. All they will do is dole out little bits of money her and there, to get rid of some of the criticism, but overall austerity will continue making everything worse.
The Tories understood Blair, kind of 'got' Miliband but Corbyn is a boogyman for a whole host of their political class. Partly that's because some of them came through when the Labour party was tearing itself apart, others remember the fights with the unions.
Mostly though it's projection.
ferrasvansen
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The Tories have a real brass neck fearing Corbyn wrecking the economy given what they have done with brexit, god only knows what husk of an economy will be left if negotiations fail and we hard brexit. They never gave a shit about that and here they are claiming paralysis by fear more like paralysis of stupidity and greed.
On the one hand I'd like to see this government tear itself apart this year so we can kick them out and end austerity once and for all
On the other hand, having the Tories own the poisoned chalice that is Brexit will kill their "trusted most with the economy" reputation for years to come.
On the other hand, having the Tories own the poisoned chalice that is Brexit will kill their "trusted most with the economy" reputation for years to come.
frankie_baby
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I'm not sure a tory brexit will be fixable though, for at least a decade or 2 anyway, i believe labour at least will get us a much better brexit and even if it is still damaging its effects will be mitagated at least with the massive investment labour promise
Facts prove Tories always borrow more and encounter more recessions than Labour.
Didn't matter though, the press makes lies repeated often enough truth.
Huw_Dawson
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It is not specifically just Corbyn - it is McDonnell.
I would not be surprised if there are Tory ministers out there who equate letting Corbyn in as setting the UK up to be Venezuela 2.
This is why it is important Corbyn does not get a majority. Having other parties be able to hold him to account is preferable, IMO, to him governing alone. Which is why I hope my party can move forwards during the campaign in the autumn, if it happens.
But honestly if the Tories cannot create a viable deal with the DUP their next best option is to only table votes on things either the SNP or my lot will be for. They're a horribly wounded party but there still is not scope for a Corbyn government prior to another election.
I would not be surprised if there are Tory ministers out there who equate letting Corbyn in as setting the UK up to be Venezuela 2.
This is why it is important Corbyn does not get a majority. Having other parties be able to hold him to account is preferable, IMO, to him governing alone. Which is why I hope my party can move forwards during the campaign in the autumn, if it happens.
But honestly if the Tories cannot create a viable deal with the DUP their next best option is to only table votes on things either the SNP or my lot will be for. They're a horribly wounded party but there still is not scope for a Corbyn government prior to another election.
Commander Jameson
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Excellent point!
HazySaiyan
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I don't know the Tories fucking dare say anybody else would ruin the country, with the misery they've caused over the past 7 years.
Huw_Dawson
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They'd probably be very happy if my lot dropped our opposition to a deal. Oh for the days when Liberal votes meant they could ignore the hard right of parliament!
What they should be doing is going across the bench and discussing how they can work together with Labour.
Dirtyshubb
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Scenes from the protests starting today "May must go!"
https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/875790557070721024
https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/875790557070721024
SlipperyFishes
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Youbare never going to stop posting this nonsense are you. What this country needs right now is a legitimate leader who cares about the people and the problems that Britain faces. Out of all the possibilities right now that is Corbyn. No it doesn't fit with your world view, Huw but your party has zero political capital - fuck you don't even have a LEADER who can speak to the views your party allegedly represents. Your last leader quit because he couldn't serve and hold his own personal views in check.
Right now it is important that we have a majority government that doesn't squabble over minutiae and that's what Labour can offer. Your tiny slivers of hope that LD will ever amount to anything more than a botched coalition that destroyed their credibility is all that - tiny.
Dirtyshubb
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I don't see any lies.
OverBlood 3
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It's so tiresome having to read every political detail on here through the prism of what Lib Dems think or what they'll do in response.
They're clinging onto relevance and not even worth talking about.
They're clinging onto relevance and not even worth talking about.
Billy_Pilgrim
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At times like this I like to remember Jeremy Thorpe hiring a hit man to kill his lover.
Spuck-uk
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They have one use, which is nicking seats from the tories in areas Labour don't yet have a chance.
Beyond that I could give a fuck what they are up to. Irrelevant to most political discussion.
Good point, beyond that I just expect and await the worst(Principles lol)if they ever get enough to influence anything again.
Makes sense. I imagine that the Tories are hoping that Labour go back to infighting, at least in the medium term when the Brexit discussions really start getting underway and decisions need to be made. They could get rid of May a little easier then, especially after Brexit is finalised, as they'll only have themselves to fight amongst. But obviously Grenfell Tower and May's response has thrown those plans out the window. Seems that the only thing keeping May in now is fear of Corbyn, given that he doesn't accept the Thatcherite consensus.
I'd be amazed if May's still in charge after the conference season.
Huw_Dawson
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Over two million voters disagree with you on irrelevance, and that is at our lowest eb.
Unless Labour win by a huge margin outside of Scotland next time they are going to struggle to form a government alone. In that case it is very much important how well my side do, as, indeed, it is important how well the SNP do, as they are the other likely party a Corbyn administration would be horse trading with.
It feels like alot of tories are starting to conclude this would of been a good election to lose - like 1974.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Corbyn's pro-electoral reform - so really the Greens and LDs should get behind him, at least in the short term.
Greens will. LDs heh, depends on which way the wind is blowing.
Huw_Dawson
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Where in the Labour manifesto does it commit to electoral reform? I saw a long term commitment to a fully elected House of Lords and that is it.
Huw_Dawson
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And yeah the Tories criticising Labour on economic policy is amusing when they are moving so far in the other direction - a low tax, small state economy versus a high tax, big state economy (if you want to caricature each side's specifics into big blunt concepts).
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