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UK General Election 2017 |OT2| No Government is better than a bad Government

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That £100 tax rebate is probably going to end up how much money they saved per person by not paying the £2 extra per sqm for the fire-resistant cladding

If there's any budding folk songwriter out there, they should be immortalising this. £100 gifts for the people who matter to the council while £2 per sqm. is too much to protect hundreds who don't. Disgraceful doesn't begin to cover it.
 
LOL, some Conservatives are talking about ending austerity and to start spending money.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ammond-pressure-increase-spending-lure-voters

Yeah austerity is over, they know that now. Ten years of it and no end in sight, change in approach needed. Might as well do what most other countries did to end recession, spend on infrastructure and people's education etc. Leads to a more efficient and happier work force, uk productivity needs improvement and asap.
 
Not exactly a supporter of most of their editorials but Spiegel absolutely nails it concerning the May situation:

Once upon a time, under the leadership of Margaret Thatcher, the Tories filled all of Europe with trepidation. French President François Mitterrand complained to his psychologist that he was plagued by nightmares caused by the British leader and German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, as unclassified British documents revealed in late 2016, once preferred to chow down on a cream pie in Salzburg than meet with the British prime minister.
Many in the UK thought a bit of fear was a good thing. Fear sounded like respect and influence -- and, more than anything, like good deals. But now, after two catastrophic elections in less than a year, that is over. Completely.

"The country looks ridiculous," the Financial Times -- not exactly a leftist mouthpiece -- wrote recently. Indeed, the party of Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher has turned into a gaggle of high rollers and unwitting clowns.

First came Boris Johnson, who vociferously supported Brexit last year to show his boss, Prime Minister David Cameron, what an outstanding orator he was even though he, Johnson, didn't really want Brexit. They both went all in, and the country lost.
And now we have Theresa May, who didn't really want Brexit either, but decided after last summer's referendum to throw her support behind leaving the European Union if it meant that she could become prime minister.

"The lady's not for turning," is one of the more famous quotes uttered by Margaret Thatcher. But her heirs currently leading the Tories are now turning so quickly that many observers aren't just getting dizzy. They are becoming nauseous.

Great Britain may be an island, but economically it is the most interconnected country in Europe: The financial center in London, the country's carmakers, what's left of British industry and even the country's infrastructure. France delivers electricity, water sanitation facilities in southern England belong to Germans and large airports such as Heathrow are owned by Spaniards. One quarter of the doctors who keep afloat the NHS -- Britain's comparatively deficient health care system -- come from the Continent.

The promise of Brexit was steeped in ideology from the very beginning, a fairy tale based on dark chauvinism. The Spanish Armada, Napoleon, Hitler and now the Polish plumbers who allegedly push down wages -- when in reality they ensured that, after decades of lukewarmly dripping showers, the country's bathrooms gradually returned to functionality. Brexit was never a particularly good idea. Now, following the most recent election, Brexit is defunct. That, at least, is what a member of Theresa May's cabinet intimated last weekend. "In practical terms, Brexit is dead," an unnamed minister told the Financial Times.

If she weren't so incompetently cool and calculating, one could almost pity Theresa May. Even as her supposed allies begin sharpening their knives at home, Brexit negotiations are set to begin in Brussels next week. And she also has to find time for a bit of begging at the door of a former party to the civil conflict in Northern Ireland known as the Troubles, the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), so that she can have them sign a coalition agreement. Anything at all would be fine, as long as she can continue to govern.

It won't be a hard Brexit. The best case is a soft Brexit, which would mean that the UK could remain a part of the common market, but that the government would have to accept immigration from Europe and regulations from Brussels -- without having a vote in the EU. To paraphrase May, this would indeed be a bad deal, but still better than no deal at all -- the scenario she threatened when she still had a comfortable majority in the House of Commons.

Investors hate nothing more than uncertainty, but that is exactly what experts are predicting for Britain in the coming years. Uncertainty combined with stunted growth, less trade, higher taxes and worse national health care.

As things look now, last week's election was only the first wave of anger that is currently breaking over the country. The worse the times get, the more powerful it will become. And in a few years, it is almost certain that there will be a government interested in rejoining the EU. Which is possible, but the conditions offered are almost sure to be worse.
http://www.spiegel.de/international...it-at-the-hands-of-theresa-may-a-1152330.html
 
Holy shit at that dead toll rise for green fell. Absolutely tragic and depressing series of events.


Enough is enough, I was disgusted at the terrorist attacks on their watch, but this is something else. I've voted labour in the election(s) but I'm going to start to donate to them and become more involved. The tories have cut this country to the bone and fucked over an incredible amount of decent, hardworking people. I'm sick of all the shit they have done and will do to this country.

They have blood on their hands, no two ways about it.
 
It will be interesting to see the May versus Hammond in the next short while. Definitely seems like the Chancellor hold more cards than the PM.

If we get a Conservative government committing to spending a lot of money just to win votes at an inevitable coming election, we've literally entered a parody world where every attack the Tories threw themselves has boomeranged around and hit them back.
 
He's basically dead right. About 68% of Tory voters voted Leave, while about 64% of those who voted Labour voted Remain. See Ashcroft. So the typical Labour voter was a Remainer.

But! Scroll further down. While 48% of Tory voters named Brexit as their #1 most important issue in determining their vote, only 8% of Labour voters did. The NHS was by far the #1 reason for those voting Labour, followed by spending cuts generally. So although the typical Labour voter was a Remainer, they weren't as energised by it (if at all) as by other issues. Contrast Lib Dem voters, whose #1 issue was Brexit. This is why Lynton Crosby tried hard to get the campaign back on to Brexit in the final weeks, as it was by far the Tories' strongest issue (especially once May's perceived leadership strength had been weakened by her "dementia tax" and subsequent U-turn, robotic repetition of soundbites contra Corbyn's ability to talk like a real person, and inability to connect with the public).

This is a good post. Post EU ref, Brexit basically meant nothing to me because there were far more urgent matters, the EU never captured me like seeing cuts to social care. I think if people could see how others have to live their lives wth absolutely no dignity in their final years, I (like to think) they would change there minds.

I understand the EU is tied to a lot of funding but we can get funding outside the EU, people will always lend us money and freeing up private businesses that suck the NHS dry would alleviate a lot of problems. Just remember where the NHS was in 2010, it's just ironic and fucking sad it was Labour that kicked the whole privatisation thing off, Red Tory fucks.
 
This is a good post. Post EU ref, Brexit basically meant nothing to me because there were far more urgent matters, the EU never captured me like seeing cuts to social care. I think if people could see how others have to live their lives wth absolutely no dignity in their final years, I (like to think) they would change there minds.

I understand the EU is tied to a lot of funding but we can get funding outside the EU, people will always lend us money and freeing up private businesses that suck the NHS dry would alleviate a lot of problems. Just remember where the NHS was in 2010, it's just ironic and fucking sad it was Labour that kicked the whole privatisation thing off, Red Tory fucks.

The problem isn't funding outside the EU, it's essentially the entire economic model we have is predicated on our single market membership. Leaving that has always been madness. Our main competitive advantages were single market membership, the language, the time zone and a strong reliable common law underpinning. Of these, the single market was the big fish, you might not be able to get the rest of them in an alternative country but you can get most.

Given the underlying problems in our economy, undertaking what would be a monumental change in the best of times is and has always been madness. We're replacing the roof while the foundations are sinking.
 
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Unbelievable. Cut corners to give rich residents only a wad of cash.

edit: here's the online version

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...te-from-kensington-and-chelsea-is-blood-money
 
argh why don't we just NOT FUCKING LEAVE THE EU

when is that going to be floated as an idea? who cares if 4% more of the public thought it seemed like an all right idea last summer. ask them again, or don't even bother and ignore them.

yeah the guys down the pub will sputter bile about it but who cares what they think, and they aren't the type to start causing a ruckus anyway. let them talk. they'd vote yes to 'get them nuked'.

what is the point in taking a course of action with the intention to make it as little as possible like you are taking that course of action because actually doing it would be suicidal

everything else will shake itself out, the political instability will shake itself out, but this brexit horseshit should just be stuck a cap in and left to gather dust.
 
argh why don't we just NOT FUCKING LEAVE THE EU

when is that going to be floated as an idea? who cares if 4% more of the public thought it seemed like an all right idea last summer. ask them again, or don't even bother and ignore them.

yeah the guys down the pub will sputter bile about it but who cares what they think, and they aren't the type to start causing a ruckus anyway. let them talk.

what is the point in taking a course of action with the intention to make it as little as possible like you are taking that course of action because actually doing it would be suicidal

everything else will shake itself out, the political instability will shake itself out, but this brexit horseshit should just be stuck a cap in and left to gather dust.

Don't take it for granted those people won't do anything. Disenfranchise someone enough and they'll do pretty much anything to be heard and ignoring the referendum result would be disenfranchising a lot of people.

The only hope for the UK is that it'll be Brexit in just name only. They'll give up their right to the veto but retain market access and allow free movement. Maybe they'll even start to use those powers to control EU migration they've had since the beginning...
 
Yeah it's total nonsense.

Ultimately there's either no Brexit, pointless Brexit that helps politicians save face or shoot ourselves in the head Brexit.

It will inevitably be the middle one. Keep things as close as possible to how they are now but pay a tariff to do so and have less influence. All to appease the Little Englanders.
 
The problem* with soft brexit is that once we accept that immigration control isn't a hard line in order to allow ourself to remain in the single market, the question logically becomes 'if we can't control immigration then what is the point of remaining in but without any political control?' To which the answer is, don't leave at all.

*good thing
 
The problem* with soft brexit is that once we accept that immigration control isn't a hard line and in order to allow ourself to remain in the single market, the question logically becomes 'if we can't control immigration then what is the point of remaining in but without any political control?' To which the answer is, don't leave at all.

*good thing

The one sole thing that really, really, really needed to be absolutely smashed over the head of anyone considering voting Leave in 2016

Twist: it kinda was anyway
 
It will inevitably be the middle one. Keep things as close as possible to how they are now but pay a tariff to do so and have less influence. All to appease the Little Englanders.

Yep. So much for that £350m a week for the NHS and ending freedom of movement!

The EU keeps all the economic benefits of the UK being in the single market and the UK castrates itself of any influence. Good job.
 
The EU keeps all the economic benefits of the UK being in the single market and the UK castrates itself of any influence. Good job.

From my perspective that is a win. The UK can't really be trusted to do the right thing in the EU. Like the mentally unfit that are a danger to themselves and others, the UK deserves the straight jacket.
 
Having no influence over EU policies wouldn't be that big a change to what we had under Cameron or May, given their efforts at the whole diplomacy thing.
 
The tariff-free access with no non-tariff barriers isn't happening. It can't. Going from a customs union to not a customs union introduces lots of NTB's

Labour's policy is to stay in the customs union. There are non-EU states who participate in the customs union - e.g., Turkey. They have tariff-free access to some aspects of the single market (essentially any physical good excluding agricultural products).

I mean, the UK is mostly a service economy, so this isn't wildly helpful as those services would still face tariffs and regulatory obstructions, but it is better than nothing and it is something that the EU would actively want the UK to participate in, so it's not entirely crazy.
 
Almost all of a central London hospital is to be sold and its services diverted to already stretched facilities around the capital under plans for NHS modernisation seen by the Guardian.

Charing Cross hospital, a flagship NHS facility in the heart of London, is to be cut to just 13% of its current size under proposals contained in sustainability and transformation plans published last year in 44 areas across England.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...n-hospital-to-be-sold-off-secret-plans-reveal

Fuck the Tories
 
Almost all of a central London hospital is to be sold and its services diverted to already stretched facilities around the capital under plans for NHS modernisation seen by the Guardian.

Charing Cross hospital, a flagship NHS facility in the heart of London, is to be cut to just 13% of its current size under proposals contained in sustainability and transformation plans published last year in 44 areas across England.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...n-hospital-to-be-sold-off-secret-plans-reveal

Fuck the Tories

Charing Cross is thought to be one of five London hospitals that a recent government-commissioned review – by a former University College London hospital chief executive, Sir Robert Naylor – identified as each being worth more than £1bn if sold.

The NHS in England is gearing up to start selling off billions of pounds worth of land and property in order to free up cash to tackle what Naylor estimated to be a £10bn backlog of repairs to sometimes crumbling old buildings.

Sell your resources to repair your other resources. That's a sustainable strategy.
 
Plus Norway has to pay money into the EU budget and follow regulations on all aspects they have free-tariff trade

Of those three, freedom of movement is the hardest to sell politically to the morons. Ironically, it is also the biggest non-issue of the three.
 
Almost all of a central London hospital is to be sold and its services diverted to already stretched facilities around the capital under plans for NHS modernisation seen by the Guardian.

Charing Cross hospital, a flagship NHS facility in the heart of London, is to be cut to just 13% of its current size under proposals contained in sustainability and transformation plans published last year in 44 areas across England.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...n-hospital-to-be-sold-off-secret-plans-reveal

Fuck the Tories

What's baffling is that they're even considering this when London has been through three major incidents in the last few months which required getting a lot of people into hospitals on short notice. And they want to basically abolish one of the biggest hospitals in the capital?

Bastards.
 
Almost all of a central London hospital is to be sold and its services diverted to already stretched facilities around the capital under plans for NHS modernisation seen by the Guardian.

Charing Cross hospital, a flagship NHS facility in the heart of London, is to be cut to just 13% of its current size under proposals contained in sustainability and transformation plans published last year in 44 areas across England.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...n-hospital-to-be-sold-off-secret-plans-reveal

Fuck the Tories

The same Tories right now that are 'terrified' of what Corbyn will do if he comes into power.

Fuck. This. Shit.
 
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