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[proto]

But as a basic rule of thumb: If your game actually is for everyone, regardless of what your characters are wearing, don't treat your entire audience like they're straight men.

But how are they going to make money!? They gotta make what sells and girls don't play fighting games

Spoiler

/s

For real though, Capcom's best female characters tend to be the ones that are least sexualized (I'm thinking Makoto and Ibuki, both of their movesets are so dope).

 

[joe2187]

Fanservice done right is great

 

[Dice//]

Am girl:

I don't care when girls are wearing shorts or sports bras. I get that, *I* have that when I work out.

I just hate gratuitous ass and cleavage shots and the horny cameraman that likes circling women's bodies while men parade around like "it's just part of it". It's not. Tits and ass shots are so goddamn ingrained into the whole thing that we barely notice it when it's there in unfair amounts and get super defensive when someone says something about it.

But no one would care what a woman would think about her own gender's objectification; and it's threads like this where I'm told a million times over that women (or people who support them) are the ones in the wrong about this by guys who just won't fess up and say they really really like sexy women and (clearly) ONLY want their game women to be sexy.


Aren't us girls lucky that we have a pretty great bar for that:

Oh.... oh my....

Aww shame the camera doesn't pan around Ryu's ass to get a more dramatic fireball shot.

Damn that's some difference in dramatic camerawork.

If Im cherry-picking by picking the obvious "bad lookers", then consider how many "unique looking women" (daresay with a strange joke/gimmick/style to their appearance like Abigail, Rufus, Dee Jay even) there are compared to men in these games. The women are gratuitous and have sex appeal in common waaaay before any any other visual gimmick (like Abigail's mass, E Honda's weight, Sagat's height, Blanca's...green?). The ladies are lovely, just very much the same even with the lengths taken with the male cast.

Yes, these SF women, though an admirable representation of muscle mass, still adhere to a pretty strict and sexualized mould.

 

[Platy]

What you guys are calling Wrestling is NOT A SPORT.

they are awesome, but they are as much sport as Kamen Rider

So stop using it as an example of sports

 

[Sami+]

Fanservice done right is great

This is creepy

 

[Nephtes]

Man, I am so damn tired of the same bullshit in these threads.

"Oh you're just a prude" - no, I actually look at lots of sexy stuff (and by that I mean actual porn) on a daily basis. That argument has no place here. I'm fucking sick and tired of seeing this repeated ad nauseum every time this topic comes up.

Look, the reason I don't like it is because it's sexist, and also, btw, nudity barely has anything to do with sex despite what society may have taught you. Exposed human skin is not sexuality, it is not a display of sexuality, it's just the display of human flesh for the sake of straight male libidos at the expense of actual characterization. It's nonsense.

Doesn't help that they have this annoying tendency to give every female character the same overly sexualized body type, and it's not a body type patterned after actual female fighters, oh no! Yeah, sure, the male fighters are over-the-top, but they get to pack tons of muscle while the female fighters only get the suggestion of muscle? There's no equality here, folks. If they exaggerated the bodies of actual female MMA fighters we wouldn't even be having this conversation (and Laura wouldn't have those stupid pornstar boobs, for that matter).

Always the same shit. Always me repeating myself ad nauseum because people just don't read and listen. I'm so damn tired, man.

I think a lot of us are tired of it.

Over a year after SFV came out, we're still talking about it.
Nothing is changing because we (as in people on NeoGAF) are talking about it, but there's no one of importance listening.

Yoshinori Ono isn't hanging out on GAF.
He's off in Japan, taking pictures of a toy Blanka with his lunch for Twitter and thinking about what awesome (bad) things he can do to the franchise now (See: Abigail).

To my knowledge, no one is directly confronting Ono or his team on their sexually explicit characterization of women in any meaningful way with any regularity.

Basically, nothing is going to change until the culture at Capcom changes or is forced to change by the player base mandating the change.

At the end of the day, SFV is developed in Japan by a team largely consisting of Japanese men. And Cammy's ass cheeks hanging out and the camera zooming in on her crotch is totally A-OK over there.

 

[Lyte Edge]

It's not about what will make fighting games main stream, but what will make fighting games more approachable for people who aren't straight males.

Street Fighter came out when I was 6.
Street Fighter II came out when I was 9.

I played those games in the arcade at those ages.

There was nothing specifically in them that was sexually overt. I mean, the only female playable character was Chun Li and she was quite covered. There was nothing objectionable in those games (except maybe the Last Vegas showgirls in Boxer's stage)

If I had a 6 year old or a 9 year old girl or even a boy, I wouldn't let them close to Street Fighter IV or Street Fighter V. That's not the kind of female representation someone that young needs to be exposed to.

And that's upsetting to me because Street Fighter, before V, has been one of my favorite franchises. A game I would like to share with the next generation... But shit... Not till they're adults with the kind of content on display...

I don't know how SFV gets a teen rating from the ESRB anymore.

So it's OK to let young children play games where you beat the shit out of each other (including men fighting women) as long as the females are more clothed and/or the camera angles aren't so crazy? I dunno, man, I'd prefer to have my child less exposed to violence, too.

 

[kirblar]

I think a lot of us are tired of it.

Over a year after SFV came out, we're still talking about it.
Nothing is changing because we (as in people on NeoGAF) are talking about it, but there's no one of importance listening.

Yoshinori Ono isn't hanging out on GAF.
He's off in Japan, taking pictures of a toy Blanka with his lunch for Twitter and thinking about what awesome (bad) things he can do to the franchise now (See: Abigail).

To my knowledge, no one is directly confronting Ono or his team on their sexually explicit characterization of women in any meaningful way with any regularity.

Basically, nothing is going to change until the culture at Capcom changes or is forced to change by the player base mandating the change.

At the end of the day, SFV is developed in Japan by a team largely consisting of Japanese men. And Cammy's ass cheeks hanging out and the camera zooming in on her crotch is totally A-OK over there.

The US/Japan gulf is key to understanding what's going on. This stuff is completely normalized in Japanese pop culture while there's been mass pushback against it in the US. Hence, wildly different directions for SFV vs MKX and how they handle these issues.

 

[Lyte Edge]

What you guys are calling Wrestling is NOT A SPORT.

they are awesome, but they are as much sport as Kamen Rider

So stop using it as an example of sports

Stop being ridiculous. They are still athletes putting on a show.

 

[Laiza]

But how are they going to make money!? They gotta make what sells and girls don't play fighting games

Spoiler

/s

For real though, Capcom's best female characters tend to be the ones that are least sexualized (I'm thinking Makoto and Ibuki, both of their movesets are so dope).

Speaking of movesets, it's a crying shame we never get to see female characters with movesets as raw and brutal as Necalli's. Leo is the closest I can think of and even then they're (with all the pronoun confusion I can't even say definitively that they count as a "female character") more clean and technical than raw and aggressive.

Forcing female characters into a limited mold just makes things more boring for everyone involved.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

I think designing characters in a way that doesn't relegate them to sex objects is a reasonable expectation.

 

[Sami+]

That's really a shame. I obviously know some of the things that have happened, and having ties to the community to various degrees for 20+ years now, I'd never say there aren't problems.

My own experiences, however, have been really positive for the most part. I've had a few funny cases of guys trying to explain things to me I've long known, or really not take me seriously at all until they see if I can play, but one of the things I love about the FGC over a lot of other gaming communities is that if you CAN play, it's easier to earn respect, and I think it becomes more a question of what your skill is and not who you are as a person.

So yeah, there are definitely problems, but it's still a community I'd encourage other female players to try to be a part of—definitely more than some others.

I mean, at the end of the day, those friends of mine do still choose to be a part of the community because of their love for it and the games. All I'm saying is that the culture can be problematic and the fact that there are so few women at every event is indicative of a problem. Improving the games' portrayal of women is a start.

 

[Ouren]

Didn't they made Gief cover up too? lol

 

[Lulubop]

Didn't they made Gief cover up too? lol

No Itazan always uses that alt.

 

[Ouren]

No Itazan always uses that alt.

ok i was actually wondering this

 

[Nephtes]

So it's OK to let young children play games where you beat the shit out of each other (including men fighting women) as long as the females are more clothed and/or the camera angles aren't so crazy?

Yes.
Boxing was all the rage when I was 6 and Mike Tyson was in his prime.

Punch Out (the game) was awesome.
Karate Kid? We ate that shit up.
And yes. Street Fighter.

I like to think I turned out pretty good despite being subjected to senselss violence at a young age via Nintendo games...

 

[Steve Youngblood]

So it's OK to let young children play games where you beat the shit out of each other (including men fighting women) as long as the females are more clothed and/or the camera angles aren't so crazy? I dunno, man, I'd prefer to have my child less exposed to violence, too.

Hmm.... I mean there's a point here for sure, but I feel like there almost has to just be a line drawn at the appropriateness of the brutality displayed less so than just "I don't want my child exposed to violence." Because there's basically two distinct concerns at play

1.) Overly gory content that is just simply too graphic (i.e. Mortal Kombat fatalities)

2.) Kids are impressionable and you don't want them acting out inappropriate behavior they see on screen.

If we're zeroing in on the latter, you really limit your options. I mean even stuff like the LEGO games will involve LEGO block characters beating other characters up. I'm not saying non-violent games are non-existent, but it is honestly a little difficult where some form of beating up or shooting enemies to progress isn't the primary mechanic.

 

[Sami+]

Stop being ridiculous. They are still athletes putting on a show.

Part of that show is sex appeal.

Duh.

 

[JusDoIt]

Am girl:

I don't care when girls are wearing shorts or sports bras. I get that, *I* have that when I work out.

I just hate gratuitous ass and cleavage shots and the horny cameraman that likes circling women's bodies while men parade around like "it's just part of it". It's not. Tits and ass shots are so goddamn ingrained into the whole thing that we barely notice it when it's there in unfair amounts and get super defensive when someone says something about it.

But no one would care what a woman would think about her own gender's objectification; and it's threads like this where I'm told a million times over that women (or people who support them) are the ones in the wrong about this by guys who just won't fess up and say they really really like sexy women and (clearly) ONLY want their game women to be sexy.


Aren't us girls lucky that we have a pretty great bar for that:

Oh.... oh my....

Aww shame the camera doesn't pan around Ryu's ass to get a more dramatic fireball shot.

Damn that's some difference in dramatic camerawork.

If Im cherry-picking by picking the obvious "bad lookers", then consider how many "unique looking women" (daresay with a strange joke/gimmick/style to their appearance like Abigail, Rufus, Dee Jay even) there are compared to men in these games. The women are gratuitous and have sex appeal in common waaaay before any any other visual gimmick (like Abigail's mass, E Honda's weight, Sagat's height, Blanca's...green?). The ladies are lovely, just very much the same even with the lengths taken with the male cast.

Yes, these SF women, though an admirable representation of muscle mass, still adhere to a pretty strict and sexualized mould.

Excellent, thoughtful comment here. And that's coming from somebody who plays Laura in SFV.

 

[PSqueak]

.

I mean, come on, on a game where you have cammy, you go for Mika?

Mika is a wrestler and shit like that is part of the wrestling industry, is it problematic? Yes, but that's because of wrestling itself, Mika behaving like a flashy wrestler is not something to blame fighting games for.

Cammy would make a more powerful statement since she's a bloody agent of the crown, she has no business being all stripper like as she is portrayed or having a phobia of pants; Laura i guess too is unnecesarily slutty; Juri could be toned down too.

What im getting at here is there is a lot to change, but going for the flashy over the top wrestler is weird.

"But, zangief!"

What about him? have you seen the story mode? they portray him on the ring just as ridiculously as Mika, they even appear with matching suits.

 

[Laiza]

I think a lot of us are tired of it.

Over a year after SFV came out, we're still talking about it.
Nothing is changing because we (as in people on NeoGAF) are talking about it, but there's no one of importance listening.

Yoshinori Ono isn't hanging out on GAF.
He's off in Japan, taking pictures of a toy Blanka with his lunch for Twitter and thinking about what awesome (bad) things he can do to the franchise now (See: Abigail).

To my knowledge, no one is directly confronting Ono or his team on their sexually explicit characterization of women in any meaningful way with any regularity.

Basically, nothing is going to change until the culture at Capcom changes or is forced to change by the player base mandating the change.

At the end of the day, SFV is developed in Japan by a team largely consisting of Japanese men. And Cammy's ass cheeks hanging out and the camera zooming in on her crotch is totally A-OK over there.

Yeah, pretty much. I don't know if any of our words will ever reach their ears.

I still can't help myself from trying, though. At the very least, if the player base itself, however minutely, starts learning and asking for better, maybe that could move the needle just a little bit? One can only hope, anyway.

I mean, come on, on a game where you have cammy, you go for Mika?

Mika is a wrestler and shit like that is part of the wrestling industry, is it problematic? Yes, but that's because of wrestling itself, Mika behaving like a flashy wrestler is not something to blame fighting games for.

Cammy would make a more powerful statement since she's a bloody agent of the crown, she has no business being all stripper like as she is portrayed or having a phobia of pants; Laura i guess too is unnecesarily slutty; Juri could be toned down too.

What im getting at here is there is a lot to change, but going for the flashy over the top wrestler is weird.

"But, zangief!"

What about him? have you seen the story mode? they portray him on the ring just as ridiculously as Mika, they even appear with matching suits.

Does it matter? It's incredibly off-putting no matter whether or not it's lampooning actual wrestling shows.

I say this as someone who's been gaming for the better part of her lifespan - shit hasn't been this bad in the past and doubling down on it is not doing them any favors. This is the first time I've felt the need to outright skip a Street Fighter game to avoid giving them the wrong idea (that this is an acceptable way to move forward with female character design).

 

[gypsygib]

Not sure if it's sad that my understanding of sexualization, based on this and other forums, is that it's only sexualized (in relation to the manner of dress) if the women are generally regarded as sexy to begin with and the more curvaceous, young, or innocent in appearance the woman, the more sexualized she can be.

 

[PSqueak]

Does it matter? It's incredibly off-putting no matter whether or not it's lampooning actual wrestling shows.

I say this as someone who's been gaming for the better part of her lifespan - shit hasn't been this bad in the past and doubling down on it is not doing them any favors. This is the first time I've felt the need to outright skip a Street Fighter game to avoid giving them the wrong idea (that this is an acceptable way to move forward with female character design).

I believe context matters.

Is it off putting? Yes, but using Mika as your example of how fighting games are to blame is weird, if anything Mika is example of a bigger problem (why are wrestling women still like this?), but seeing Mika and going "FIGHTING GAAAAMESSS!!" is a bit disingenuous when her fanservicey act if part of the character's gimmick, while characters like Cammy, Juri and Laura don't even have a half assed attempt to explain why the fuck they are embarrassingly over sexualized, and that IS something you can blame on fighting game "culture".

 

[kirblar]

I mean, come on, on a game where you have cammy, you go for Mika?

Mika is a wrestler and shit like that is part of the wrestling industry, is it problematic? Yes, but that's because of wrestling itself, Mika behaving like a flashy wrestler is not something to blame fighting games for.

Cammy would make a more powerful statement since she's a bloody agent of the crown, she has no business being all stripper like as she is portrayed or having a phobia of pants; Laura i guess too is unnecesarily slutty; Juri could be toned down too.

What im getting at here is there is a lot to change, but going for the flashy over the top wrestler is weird.

"But, zangief!"

What about him? have you seen the story mode? they portray him on the ring just as ridiculously as Mika, they even appear with matching suits.

If Mika was the only example and was deliberately OTT, she'd be fine in context.

But unfortunately that's not the case and she's an example of a trend instead of being an outlier.

 

[Innolis]

I don't see why capcom would need to change their design to please ESPN when they can simply change to a different outfit. This whole thing is blown out of proportion. The fan service level on SFV is through the roof, there's no logical way to deny that. It's not a bad thing either, I enjoy fan service and make no excuses (nor should I) about it. Just change the costume if the sponsor asks you to and that's that.

 

[Trickster]

Female characters in most games of any genre need more diversity in terms of body, age, and looks.

However I also hope that we never get to a point where games no longer have characters designs like Mika or Cammy. Yeah they're obviously designed to be titillating for people attracted to fit women. But I honestly do not see that as an issue. The issue as I see it, is the amount of female characters that are designed to be titillating, not the individual characters.

As a sidenote, I also think that we need more sexy/fanservice type male characters.

...Frankly I always find these kinds of topics strange. For some reason Cammy showing her buttchecks on tv is something that needs to be censored. Meanwhile the entire entertainment industry is pumping out violence and murder day in and day out and it seems to be bothering absolutely no one.

Spoiler

Feel free to avatar quote me

 

[PSqueak]

If Mika was the only example and was deliberately OTT, she'd be fine in context.

But unfortunately that's not the case and she's an example of a trend instead of being an outlier.

That's what im getting at.

Over the top sexualized gimmick characters are fine when that's their gimmick, but when everybody gets all slutty and it makes zero sense for their gimmick, that when we have a problem.

Laura is a freaking Martial Arts instructor, she shouldn't be slutty.
Cammy is a soldier, she shouldn't be slutty.
Juri is a super villian... well i guess there is tradition of slutty super villians, but that's also wrong and unnecessary.

I feel that these characters being all tits and ass with close ups are much more problematic than a wrestler.

 

[Primethius]

Forget esports, SFV just needs less garbage female design to begin with.

Laura, in particular, is straight trash.

 

[Kaleinc]

Aww shame the camera doesn't pan around Ryu's ass to get a more dramatic fireball shot.

Ryu with big tits and ass would get a shot of those. The camera shows what he has - yuge muscles. Cammy would look pretty bad with all that meat too. Oh, males and females are different so it makes sense when the approach is not the same.

Surprisingly you have nothing agains Ryu's ridiculous eyebrows.

 

[Number_6]

Women in real life make the choice--for whatever reason--to be sexy, to dress and behave for the sake of the male gaze, every day. It's not all women. It's not most women. But they're out there, and it's their choice.

Fictional/cartoon/video game women can be written or created to make that same choice, but ultimately the choice was their creator's, not their own. Perhaps a straight male creator designing a female character to be supersexy is automatically offensive, or wrong. I disagree. I believe that the people creating characters need the freedom to design all sorts of people, including designs that may provide a bit of a cheap thrill for the boys.

However, framing is important. If the character is designed to own and desire her own sexual appeal, that's one thing. If a character is designed as someone for whom being ultra sexy is not a priority, but is treated that way anyway, that's a problem. Laura I can picture as the former. Cammy I can picture as the latter. Hell, if the character of Cammy 'chooses' to wear that leotard, for whatever reasons, more power to her, but she clearly isn't a character trying to act sexy, so the issue I have with her is the way the camera treats her more so than how she currently dresses. I wouldn't mind pants though.

I don't think designing characters for the "male gaze" is inherently bad. I think the issue is more quantitative than qualitative. That is, the biggest problem is that practically all the female characters are designed this way. A woman wants to play a game, read a comic, whatever, and she wants a female character to look up to, a role model, a hero, someone to relate to--and all she gets are walking, talking, cheap thrills for the boys. That's fucked up.

 

[Catphish]

I took back SFV after it became perfectly evident that I would be unable to play this in front of my 8 year old daughter, and that I couldn't let her play it.

Many costumes are unnecessarily sexualized and in very poor taste.

 

[Theonik]

Sounds like US TV needs to be less shit more like.

 

[Sami+]

Sounds like US TV needs to be less shit more like.

Haha sick dude you sure showed those regressive feminists LOL. People gotta stop being shitty prudes haha, dumb Americans. This isn't even a problem in glorious nippon so obviously people should shut up.

Haha I love anime titties can I get a bro fist ✊

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

This is Android 18.

This is Videl.

These are the two most likely women to be included in Dragon Ball FighterZ at launch. If they are as faithful to their designs as they are to the other characters DBFZ will be the only fighting game that I know of without cleavage and women in revealing outfits.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

...Frankly I always find these kinds of topics strange. For some reason Cammy showing her buttchecks on tv is something that needs to be censored. Meanwhile the entire entertainment industry is pumping out violence and murder day in and day out and it seems to be bothering absolutely no one.

I would say two things about this. One, I absolutely think there should be more thought put into appropriate depictions of violence in terms of concern about what we expose children too. Secondly, I sometimes think that this sort of accusation of hypocrisy can be tossed out lazily. I said earlier that I do think it's a problem that violence as a default mechanic for so many video games is an issue. But moving past that, I'm not sure that I'm completely convinced that pearl clutching parents are by and large overly concerned about T&A and completely blind or apathetic to over-the-top violence. And what I'm angling at here is just that I'd like to see more evidence of people out there who are grossly offended by big boob warrior women in revealing outfits in Mortal Kombat 9 that were simultaneously completely fine with the general violence and especially the fatalities on display.

 

[Puruzi]

Sounds like US TV needs to be less shit more like.

ye

 

[Laiza]

Sounds like US TV needs to be less shit more like.

ye

Sounds like you two need a lesson in what sexism looks like.

Ryu with big tits and ass would get a shot of those. The camera shows what he has - yuge muscles. Cammy would look pretty bad with all that meat too. Oh, males and females are different so it makes sense when the approach is not the same.

Surprisingly you have nothing agains Ryu's ridiculous eyebrows.

Oh, look. It's these same arguments all over again. Yaaaaay.

Yes, obviously men and women are different... but we don't need them to be treated as differently and as blatantly sexist as they are in this game. If all the female characters dressed more like and had bodies more like actual female MMA fighters I wouldn't be so annoyed, but here we are.

I took back SFV after it became perfectly evident that I would be unable to play this in front of my 8 year old daughter, and that I couldn't let her play it.

Many costumes are unnecessarily sexualized and in very poor taste.

I feel like this is a great litmus test for character designers in general.

If you're not designing an R-18 game (and to be clear, everyone that isn't Netherrealms is clearly trying to avoid that M-rating), then you should be asking yourself this for every female character you design: "If I show this to my daughter or to my mother, how would they react?"

Sure, they might not necessarily be your target audience, but you don't want to turn off a significant chunk of women and even men with dignity, either. Especially when we're talking about something pretty damn close to half the population here. (Inb4 "but women don't play games" claptrap. Sigh.) I shouldn't even need to explain this to people, but apparently this is going to be going on for a long, LONG time.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

This is Android 18.


This is Videl.



These are the two most likely women to be included in Dragon Ball FighterZ at launch. If they are as faithful to their designs as they are to the other characters DBFZ will be the only fighting game that I know of without cleavage and women in revealing outfits.

It really feels less like you're participating in this thread in good faith and more like you're just advertising FighterZ.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Fanservice done right is great

Need the name of the show

 

[Nephtes]

Yes, obviously men and women are different... but we don't need them to be treated as differently and as blatantly sexist as they are in this game. If all the female characters dressed more like and had bodies more like actual female MMA fighters I wouldn't be so annoyed, but here we are.

I feel like this is a great litmus test for character designers in general.

If you're not designing an R-18 game (and to be clear, everyone that isn't Netherrealms is clearly trying to avoid that M-rating), then you should be asking yourself this for every female character you design: "If I show this to my daughter or to my mother, how would they react?"

Sure, they might not necessarily be your target audience, but you don't want to turn off a significant chunk of women and even men with dignity, either. Especially when we're talking about something pretty damn close to half the population here. (Inb4 "but women don't play games" claptrap. Sigh.) I shouldn't even need to explain this to people, but apparently this is going to be going on for a long, LONG time.

Best takes in the thread.
These are the distilled thoughts that I want to jam into Yoshinori Ono's thought processes...

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

It really feels less like you're participating in this thread in good faith and more like you're just advertising FighterZ.

I'm giving an example of how a Japanese product is not including sexual fanservice, thus further deconstructing the argument that "Capcom is Japanese and it's a different culture so it's okay".

 

[trixx]

They can have their fanservice no problem but I don't know why people make a big deal if a big corporation asks for less revealing costumes for live t.v. I think the same thing happened at E-League.

I honestly don't understand what the problem is. You can go to training mode and look at the costume there. For me I want to see high level street fighter, reavealing or non revealing

 

[PSqueak]

It really feels less like you're participating in this thread in good faith and more like you're just advertising FighterZ.

Any fighting game thread is an excuse to talk about how much superior DBFZ is (specially to MVCI!!!) in GAF, apparently.

 

[Kaleinc]

but we don't need them to be treated as differently and as blatantly sexist as they are in this game.

Gief and Mika, you need them both wearing only pants like Gief? Something tells me SF community would roll with that.

 

[joe2187]

Need the name of the show

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1407733

 

[Laiza]

Gief and Mika, you need them both wearing only pants like Gief? Something tells me SF community would roll with that.

Completely disingenuous comparison. In a perfect world female breasts would be de-sexualized like male breasts are, but we obviously don't live in that kind of world.

And by that same token, female bodies are obviously sexualized in ways that male bodies are not, and the way they blow up the breasts and butts of female characters in games like these is a big part of that.

 

[Playsage]

This is Android 18.


This is Videl.



These are the two most likely women to be included in Dragon Ball FighterZ at launch. If they are as faithful to their designs as they are to the other characters DBFZ will be the only fighting game that I know of without cleavage and women in revealing outfits.

And those are the only you are going to see.
Maybe.

 

[Spinosaurus]

It really feels less like you're participating in this thread in good faith and more like you're just advertising FighterZ.

And it's not even that great of an example considering we'd be lucky to get any female character besides 18.

Woman representation in FGs is really dire in the end. :/

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

And those are the only you are going to see.
Maybe.

And it's not even that great of an example considering we'd be lucky to get any female character outside 18.

Woman representation in FGs is really dire in the end. :/

It's unfortunate that Dragon Ball never had many women characters and most of those it did got Wifed, but if 18 in the ToP and the two women Saiyans are any indication they are improving.

 

[Neoxon]

It's unfortunate that Dragon Ball never had many women characters and most of those it did got Wifed, but if 18 in the ToP and the two women Saiyans are any indication they are improving.

There was a glimmer of hope when Chi Chi trained Goten after the Cell Saga, but that didn't really go anywhere. But yeah, they're starting to make up for it in Super thanks to 18 having more to do as well as the introduction of Caulifla & Kale (among the other female fighters in the Tournament of Power).