Woman Goes on Racist Rant at Target

You know what, at the end the woman says she will leave if the security dude releases her, so she acknowledges her wrong behavior. That weakens the argument of a mental illness causing her to say all that racist shit.
 
Having a mental illness can potentially cause people to say or do irrational things.
She can very likely be racist, and her mental illness caused her act crazy pike this and blurt out stuff.

Would you feel a little bit worse about her if she was a mentally ill racist?

Every asshole MIGHT be a good person that just needs help, I dont see the point of watching a youtube video of a violent racist asshole and assuming the best. Do you guys give every belligerent racist this benefit of the doubt? Its also very silly to watch this and try and diagnose her mental health from whats available in the video, especially based on stereotypes of mentally ill peoples behaviors, like she threw stuff and talked funny, come on. That is not indicative of mental health and doesnt look like a manic episode. What is it that makes her a victim here? Every terrorist and criminal could be a person with issues that needs help, whats the point here?
 
You think a racist can be mentally healthy?
Every racist is mentally ill.
She is prob racist but that video reminds me of psychosis.

I say this having seen a family member go through it a couple weeks ago. It can make people say crazy stuff.

Either way, I'm glad they got her out of there. Nobody took her seriously either which is good. Nobody bought the bait and it seems the guard waited as long as he could till she started throwing shit. Wow.
 
Agreed. We should start with this idea that mentally ill people randomly call people sand niggers

You have no idea what mentally ill people do during episodes and without help. Doesn't matter if their actions are racist or not, they're still mentally ill and need help.
 
I'm not 100% sure she has mental health problems, that's for a doctor to decide. But the behavior she's displaying should and I hope landed her in a hospital bed where she's being observed to make that determination.

I don't see anybody saying she should be given 20 years to life in this thread. To be honest, if every person who had a racist outburst in public in America had to (and I mean legally had to) attend counseling and get a mental health evaluation, it would be a huge win just by sheer deterrence. And it would never happen. Sure, she should get checked out, I am not in disagreement at all. To me, to be racist you almost have to be some kind of mentally ill. I don't think there's anything rational about racism. But it's real, it's a thing, and she has suggested (loudly) that she is.
 
Every asshole MIGHT be a good person that just needs help, I dont see the point of watching a youtube video of a violent racist asshole and assuming the best. Do you guys give every belligerent racist this benefit of the doubt? Its also very silly to watch this and try and diagnose her mental health from whats available in the video, based on stereotypes of mentally ill peoples behaviors, what is it that makes her a victim here? Every terrorist and criminal could be a person with issues that needs help, what the fuck is the point here?
Anyone that goes into a store and throws stuff around like that while screaming is 99.9% of the time is being influenced by something. It could be drugs, alcohol, or mental illness. The signs she shows could very likely be the third one, but can't be said for sure.
 
What? I don't think the two things I said are at odds at all. I expressed my frustration at the poster who seems to believe all we want to do is laugh and point at a racist, And then I stated another purpose to pointing out her racism besides to laugh at her.

You've spent much of the thread scorning the notion that people would want to talk mental health about someone who very much moves, speaks, and behaves like somebody with mental health issues, though, asking incredulously what is to be gained by that conversation, only to get frustrated that people who are incredulous about your own conversational inclination aren't affording it any consideration.

This kind of prescriptivist approach to conversational flow is fairly toxic to message board discourse.
 
You know what, at the end the woman says she will leave if the security dude releases her, so she acknowledges her wrong behavior. That weakens the argument of a mental illness causing her to say all that racist shit.

No it doesn't.

Especially as the look of irrational fear on her face presents a heavy argument that shes experiencing some kind of psychosis and doesn't fucking understand what she's done.


And racists scream and do irrational shit all the time.

Again, look up videos of people being angrily racist, even drunkenly, see the way they respond to being caught etc... they don't usually scream "I didn't do anything" in such a desperate way because they /know/ they're racist pieces of shit and they just lost control of their carefully placed mask.

Then compare it to the look on this woman's face at the end of the video.

Then look up people suffering mental breaks and compare everything. Outside of people suffering from severe mental issues, It's very rare you see this kind of deluded hyper-exaggerated reaction /at all/.
 
Two things:

1. This isn't like the majority of times where the footage just shows a person shouting racist shit without any other factors on display and people using the "mental health" defense.

2. Negative perception of mental health is a real issue that needs talking about.

As someone with mental issues I'd like to personally thank you for associating my issues with racism on no evidence whatsoever. It's nice to know if I bring up my issues people will automatically think is this person...

Going to shoot people
going to go into a racist tirade
A sexual predator

Thank you for raising awareness on this subject.
 
No it doesn't.

Especially as the look of irrational fear on her face presents a heavy argument that shes experiencing some kind of psychosis and doesn't fucking understand what she's done.




Again, look up videos of people being angrily racist, even drunkenly, see the way they respond to being caught etc... they don't usually scream "I didn't do anything" in such a desperate way because they /know/ they're racist pieces of shit and they just lost control of their carefully placed mask.

Then compare it to the look on this woman's face at the end of the video.

Then look up people suffering mental breaks and compare everything. Outside of people suffering from severe mental issues, It's very rare you see this kind of deluded hyper-exaggerated reaction /at all/.

It's hard to say. One could argue she's on some heavy drugs too.
 
A member of my family has severe mental health issues. Perhaps as a result of long hospital stays during which they had run-ins with mental health nurses, who happened to be predominantly West Indian, they often throw blood-curdling racist slurs around when they're in the middle of a psychotic episode.

When they're lucid they're a very different person, and express contempt for racism. It really is like a Jekyll and Hyde situation. In reference to Bruce Banner's alter ego in The Avengers, they've taken to referring to this other side of themselves as "the other guy."

Correct. Psychosis can make you say horrible stuff about anyone even family. And depending on the mental issue, you can go back and forth from psychosis to mania to stable to psychosis again. All in an hour.

And then they don't remember anything.

Mental illness is a scary thing and until you've seen it in person just hearing about it doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
She was repeating the racial slur, and grouping the entire race by saying "you're all shit". Even if she has some kind of intellectual disability, it doesn't negate what she did in the video.
 
As someone with mental issues I'd like to personally thank you for associating my issues with racism on no evidence whatsoever. It's nice to know if I bring up my issues people will automatically think is this person...

Going to shoot people
going to go into a racist tirade
A sexual predator

Thank you for raising awareness on this subject.

No evidence other than her behavior in the video that is very much akin to the patterns I witnessed in mentally ill individuals I cared for in the community, in terms of body language, thought processes, and word usage/articulation.

Obviously, none of this is a slam dunk, only a doctor could properly diagnose and treat her, but the reasons people would think this are hardly obscure.

Edit: And, yes, it is also significant to remember that people who suffer psychotic breaks use every weapon in their arsenal available to them and can say absolutely heinous shit that bears little relationship to their personality or beliefs when lucid and controlled.
 
You have no idea what mentally ill people do during episodes and without help. Doesn't matter if their actions are racist or not, they're still mentally ill and need help.

Sure I do, I spent two years working with autistic children, ive seen them go into episodes, even seen their anxiety turn to unintended violence. My mother is also schizophrenic, OCD, and has bipolar disorder. My grandfather was suicidal. I have mental health issues of my own, and have had manic episodes. Also its not some secret? It isnt impossible for someone with mental issues to lose control or do something they wouldnt normally do. That doesnt mean everyone being a racist asshole is a good person that needs help, nor that every person that throws a temper tantrum is mentally ill. Thats not how it works. Im not advocating against empathy for the mentally ill, im saying you cant watch a video of a woman being an asshole and yelling "sand nigger" and then bargaining with security to be let go and assume the best of her and associate that shit with mental illness. Maybe shes just a fucking asshole? Most criminals and deviants are people with issues that need help, whats the point of watching someone yell racial slurs at target workers and throw a tantrum and defending her or even lumping her in with mentally ill people? Based on what evidence can you make that assumption? Because she didnt just calmly whisper nigger into someones ear? Fuck that bullshit even if shes mentally ill she can be an asshole


Yall can fuck right off with this armchair psychiatrist bullshit of watching a youtube video and talking about the "signs she displays" and "can confirm, based on what ive seen mentally ill people act like" bullshit. The spectrum of "mental illness" is so vast and her behavior could be explained by a billion normal things even something as simple as shes a spoiled entitled brat or drunk that its fucking ridiculous to be drawing these conclusions. She could VERY easily just be a big asshole, and even if not and she did turn out to be mentally ill, there are millions of mental ill people who dont "act" how shes acting and millions of mentally healthy people who do, so fuck assuming that. Its not sound logic to assume so.
 
As someone with mental issues I'd like to personally thank you for associating my issues with racism on no evidence whatsoever. It's nice to know if I bring up my issues people will automatically think is this person...

Going to shoot people
going to go into a racist tirade
A sexual predator

Thank you for raising awareness on this subject.

There is plenty of evidence in the video or I wouldn't be here writing what I am.

Have you ever seen a severe mental break? It often plays out exactly like this video, ending in a person sobbing and pleading to be let go. A person not understanding they just said/did some terrible shit, or even a person under the weight of the full realisation of it. It's a terrible thing.

I've never suggested what you say I have.
 
In a way, it kind of reminded me of my mom when she was constantly drunk, especially at night (minus the racist parts). This was especially bad in the last year of her life when she eventually passed away due to alcoholic liver disease. She was basically all over the place, screaming, grabbing and throwing things, threatening others, shit like that.
 
What? Yes it does.
No, it doesn't. Racism is the feeling that a specific race is lower, it's not a diagnosable mental illness regardless of what some people say.

If a racist happens to act crazy, then they very likely are mentally ill, and also happen be racist.
 
No, it doesn't. Racism is the feeling that a specific race is lower, it's not a diagnosable mental illness regardless of what some people say.

If a racist happens to act crazy, then they very likely are mentally ill, and also happen be racist.

I'll just quote a post I made earlier.

We have people that do worse shit than this online on a daily basis. Don't see them getting called mentally ill. Actually wait, when they are white, I do.

Being a loud asshole doing weird things doesn't automatically make you mentally ill. Like I said, you'll clearly don't know what some people will feel emboldened to do by their racism.

People's racism has been used as a justification to enslave, rape, toture, experiment on people and children, sic dogs on people, throw acid at them, shoot them, beat them, lie and say they commited a crime to get them arrested or executed.

All by people completely sane.
 
Sure I do, I spent two years working with autistic children, ive seen them go into episodes, even seen their anxiety turn to unintended violence. My mother is also schizophrenic, OCD, and has bipolar disorder. My grandfather was suicidal. I have mental health issues of my own, and have had manic episodes. Also its not some secret? It isnt impossible for someone with mental issues to lose control or do something they wouldnt normally do. That doesnt mean everyone being a racist asshole is a good person that needs help, nor that every person that throws a temper tantrum is mentally ill. Thats not how it works. Im not advocating against empathy for the mentally ill, im saying you cant watch a video of a woman being an asshole and yelling "sand nigger" and then bargaining with security to be let go and assume the best of her and associate that shit with mental illness. Maybe shes just a fucking asshole? Most criminals and deviants are people with issues that need help, whats the point of watching someone yell racial slurs at target workers and throw a tantrum and defending her or even lumping her in with mentally ill people? Based on what evidence can you make that assumption? Because she didnt just calmly whisper nigger into someones ear? Fuck that bullshit even if shes mentally ill she can be an asshole


Yall can fuck right off with this armchair psychiatrist bullshit of watching a youtube video and talking about the "signs she displays" and "can confirm, based on what ive seen mentally ill people act like" bullshit. The spectrum of "mental illness" is so vast and her behavior could be explained by a billion normal things even something as simple as shes a spoiled entitled brat or drunk that its fucking ridiculous to be drawing these conclusions. She could VERY easily just be a big asshole. There are millions of mental ill people who dont "act" how shes acting and millions of mentally healthy people who do, so fuck that.

Maybe you should read the video description? It clearly states:

6. I don't think the lady was on drugs, but if she was, she was also mentally ill. She talked a lot about terrorists keeping prisoners in a 'Flesh Cave' down in the basement prior to the video.
 
She may have a diagnosed, or undiagnosed condition, I would require receipts before rendering an opinion on her mental health. I frankly don't care that much.

What does strike me as galling in this perpetually pedantic argument of Ill vs. Bigoted, is the fact she was well acquainted with the slur, enough to know that she was targeting it at people who she perceived to be vaguely Sub-Saharan.

In a fog of mental illness, drugs, whatever, she knew who her targets of hate were. She pointed them out for rebuke in connection with her flesh cave fantasy. The same spaces she absorbed 'sand nigger', she fed her bigoted fears. The overlap between conspiracy and hate is real; let's stop trying to atomize, or obscure their interplay and symbiosis.
 
Maybe you should read the video description? It clearly states:

6. I don't think the lady was on drugs, but if she was, she was also mentally ill. She talked a lot about terrorists keeping prisoners in a 'Flesh Cave' down in the basement prior to the video.

Do you feel sorry for the guy who shot up the pizza shop in DC because he believed in pizzagate? He was insane, what about his poor mental health? He was rambling on about a pizza shop and sex trafficking to pedophiles, total loon. Did you go into that thread and say guys, what about his mental health
 
Do you feel sorry for the guy who shot up the pizza shop in DC because he believed in pizzagate? He was insane, what about his poor mental health? He was rambling on about a pizza shop and sex trafficking to pedophiles, total loon

I wonder if he feels bad for Alex Jones. Clearly mentally ill right?
 
Do you feel sorry for the guy who shot up the pizza shop in DC because he believed in pizzagate? He was insane, what about his poor mental health? He was rambling on about a pizza shop and sex trafficking to pedophiles, total loon

I'm not saying I feel sorry for anyone. I'm saying that the video and context given strongly suggest that the person in question is mentally ill.
 
How ironic she is yelling "please help me" to the people 1 minute ago was berating.

Reminds me a different video where this woman is getting arrested (I think she was pulling some sovereign citizen shit) and she yells "Help! Call the police!" and the cops arresting her just respond with "We are the police..."
 
I'm not saying I feel sorry for anyone. I'm saying that the video and context given strongly suggest that the person in question is mentally ill.
You can believe crazy shit, say crazy shit, and be an asshole, and still not be entitled to a mental health defense. Look at Trump
 
She may have a diagnosed, or undiagnosed condition, I would require receipts before rendering an opinion on her mental health. I frankly don't care that much.

What does strike me as galling in this perpetually pedantic argument of Ill vs. Bigoted, is the fact she was well acquainted with the slur, enough to know that she was targeting it at people who she perceived to be vaguely Sub-Saharan.

In a fog of mental illness, drugs, whatever, she knew who her targets of hate were. She pointed them out for rebuke in connection with her flesh cave fantasy. The same spaces she absorbed 'sand nigger', she fed her bigoted fears. The overlap between conspiracy and hate is real; let's stop trying to atomize, or obscure their interplay and symbiosis.

All behaviour is learned. Generally though, as we grow we get to use our mental faculties to unpick this shit, take responsibility, change...

If you lack the mental capacity to do this though you're simply stuck with a bunch of learned behaviour you don't understand and no capacity to control or change it.

This is a huge part of dealing with suffers of severe mental health issues. A lot of the time they do hugely inappropriate things and have no idea they're inappropriate. That's why at a certain point care is required, or even institutionalisation, because they literally can't control it or understand why it's wrong.

And there's enough evidence of a severe mental break in this video to have the conversation here, imo.
 
You can believe crazy shit, say crazy shit, and be an asshole, and still not be entitled to a mental health defense. Look at Trump

What a weak argument. It's true that you can just be a racist asshole, but you can also be mentally ill too.

If combined then you'd probably see something like this. I'm not denying that there's a possibility that she's racist, but the fact that you're denying any possibility of her being mentally ill despite the context given prior to the video recording is straight up asinine. It makes it all the more sad that someone who has experience with mental illness in the family would straight up deny the possibility of a stranger being mentally ill as well. So much for awareness.
 
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