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[Fallout-NL]

Mandalay Bay has some explaining to do as to why moving that much gear didn't seem odd to them.

You can pack that much in a couple of large weekend bags.

 

[Oriel]

I get thats its the American way and part of the constitution and all that, but something has to chang, it has too.



http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/17/world/europe/dunblane-lessons/index.html

You can do this, you just have to want too.

Britain doesn't have a constitution, their Parliament can write any law it wants. It's much harder to change their constitution.

Note that I'm not saying it's impossible to do something either, the 2nd Amendment should be repealed entirely. But with a country like the US where guns are so ingrained into the culture of the nation it'd be very hard to accomplish.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Mandalay Bay has some explaining to do as to why moving that much gear didn't seem odd to them.

It wouldnt be hard to hide 10 rifles in 2 duffle bags. Theyre not gonna check your suitcase at a hotel.

 

[Chumly]

How do you get 10+ rifles into a hotel? I mean surely someone would notice that unless you doing it in multiple trips but even then that looks odd.

To be fair.... taking multiple suitcases into a hotel or taking multiple trips to get suitcases in a hotel is NOT suspicious

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Would it not seem odd though if someone kept going out and coming back with their suitcase?

Why would he need to make multiple trips? There are suitcases large enough to hold at least 5-6 rifles and ammo, right?

How do you get 10+ rifles into a hotel? I mean survey someone would notice that unless you doing it in multiple trips but even then that looks odd.

Would be super easy if you think about it, drive up to the Hotel parking garage, open trunk... just wheel in two oversized luggages into your hotel room? Not like anyone is screening them, or even going to get near them.

 

[outunderthestars]

If this does not lead for a push of gun control I will be pissed. Even though I do not live in the States something truly needs to be done. The 2nd amendment needs to be either rewritten or abolished entirely. I feel only the army and law enforcement should have access to sniper rifles and assault rifles, not Joe Schmoe American.

Someone murdered a room of school children and nothing happened. What makes you think this will?

 

[Not]

It's always a dude.

And god help every woman alive when it's not.

White men remain the only group allowed to have freak exceptions.

 

[hughesta]

Nothing is going to be done, unless the shooter is brown, in which case things are going to get a lot worse. But not for gun owners.

 

[Marion Cobretti]

America is showing what humans are capable of.

Empathy isn't valued in our culture. Tribalism and greed is. Even in the face of a tragedy like this.

We, and much of the rest of the world, appear to indeed be fucked.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Sevenfold]

Holy shit.

Crazy numbers right?

The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.

Just London. No guns.

40% year on year increase.
Mass production of firearms is good for the human race.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39578500

Edit: Made that last bit US centric and read after posting it seemed bad form.

 

[BitStyle]

406 people in hospital
1 officer dead
still 50 dead.

according to a press release from police via KTNV

Horrifying

 

[Gai Murakumo]

Someone murdered a room of school children and nothing happened. What makes you think this will?

I know it should have happened then but sadly it did not

 

[Epsilon-delta]

This is terrible.

RIP to all those that died and my condolences to all of the victims.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Crazy he was able to get 10 rifles to his hotel room without being suspected of anything.

It's not that crazy:

 

[WesternHeretic]

My cousin a doctor who works in the ER. They called him in around 2 and pretty much nonstop work since then. He said he has never seen the hospital in such a frantic scramble. They pretty much called in every vascular surgeon because of so many gunshot wounds, and O.R is swamped.

 

[Ros8105]

Any more info on the woman who said they would die before the shooting happened?

 

[Arcteryx]

10+ rifles with thousands of rounds is a lot of suitcases.



Saturday the 28th.

Actually not that many as you would think.

 

[Cow Mengde]

Someone murdered a room of school children and nothing happened. What makes you think this will?

Not to mention with Trump in the white house.

 

[platocplx]

Any more info on the woman who said they would die before the shooting happened?

sounds like it was a hoax.

 

[HariKari]

Any more info on the woman who said they would die before the shooting happened?

The woman identified as a person of interest was found out of the country. They still are looking into whether or not he had an accomplice.

 

[always crazy bacon]

Mandalay Bay has some explaining to do as to why moving that much gear didn't seem odd to them.

No hotel has ever searched my bags on check in.

 

[Andrew Korenchkin]

Wow, just awful. I love Vegas and this is like seeing my home being attacked, so this has even more personal tragedy for me.

 

[AusRoachman]

Crazy he was able to get 10 rifles to his hotel room without being suspected of anything.

Crazy he was able to legally access 10 rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

 

[choodi]

But did Australia such an insane obsession with guns as America does? I don't think it would work the same way unfortunately.

Nope, Australia has never had a culture of guns for self defence. We have a guns for hunting culture, that's it.

Very, very different cultures, attitudes and beliefs towards guns between the two countries.

 

[Garlador]

If this does not lead for a push of gun control I will be pissed. Even though I do not live in the States something truly needs to be done. The 2nd amendment needs to be either rewritten or abolished entirely. I feel only the army and law enforcement should have access to sniper rifles and assault rifles, not Joe Schmoe American.

Sandy Hook was our "make it or break it" moment.

Alas, the deaths of nearly two dozen small children didn't even get one piece of legislature passed. "Truthers" decided it would even be better to claim the tragedy never even happened than accept any new gun regulations. If that didn't do it, NOTHING will.

 

[Hydrus]

Fucking hell, this is not the news I wanted to wake up too.

 

[CHC]

How do you get 10+ rifles into a hotel? I mean surely someone would notice that unless you doing it in multiple trips but even then that looks odd.

Step 1: Be in an inland part of the United States.

Step 2: Be white.

Step 3: .....actually, steps 1 and 2 just about take care of it.

 

[Finn of Ooo]

Would it not seem odd though if someone kept going out and coming back with their suitcase?

I'm sure it's not uncommon in Vegas to have wealthy individuals transporting a large amount of luggage.

 

[pushbyte]

How many of the performers at this concert are "NRA Country" featured performers? At least one.

The NRA has, year over year, seeded cultural warfare. What happens when their sponsored violence meets their sponsored entertainment?

They tell them to buy more guns. Seriously, the NRA thrives off of fear of others (particularly non-white people) with guns, so--although it may seem counterintuitive--increased gun violence only further entrenches American gun culture.

 

[DieNgamers]

America is showing what humans are capable of.

Empathy isn't valued in our culture. Tribalism and greed is. Even in the face of a tragedy like this.

We, and much of the rest of the world, appear to indeed be fucked.

I've seen empathy form many people during and after all this. People offering their cars for victims transports, people helping each other. It's not all bad.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Apparently he was camp'd there since sept. 28th?

Like, booked into the hotel and stuff?

 

[M.J. Doja]

Channel it. Going numb helps no one and nothing.

Ah yes. I need to do this. Just feel so useless trying to comment on such tragic events. But you're right.

Gun ownership should be forbidden.

 

[HariKari]

No hotel has ever searched my bags on check in.

Probably going to change. At least for very large resorts with public areas.

 

[Meadows]

Lone Wolf wtf ? But when it's a muslim he's a terrorist?... My condolences for all the lives lost and i pray for the people that were hurt to be healed

To be a terrorist you have to have a political or religious motive for what you are doing. For example, the Columbine High School massacre was not a terror attack, as the perps were teens that were bullied and wanted to "take revenge".

Same as when a divorced man shoots up a party his ex-wife is holding or something like that. You have to have a political or religious motive.

terrorism
ˈtɛrərɪzəm/Submit
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"the fight against terrorism"

 

[Nazgul_Hunter]

The worst part is this is literally a textbook case where gun control could’ve prevented pretty much 100% of the deaths. The range those weapons afforded him was ridiculous.

 

[BobNewbert31]

Crazy that no one found suspicious that this guy owned so many rifles

Many, MANY people own that many rifles.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

I am so upset at how numb to this I am

 

[Messofanego]

Politicians will give out thoughts and prayers for a week and nothing will happen.

Of course yeah, thoughts and prayers.

 

[le.phat]

Crazy he was able to get 10 rifles to his hotel room without being suspected of anything.

What's crazy is he was able to purchase 10 rifles without being suspected of anything.

 

[llien]

Like, always.

No, but quite rare. One out of 33 are women:
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/s...g-joins-small-list-women-mass-killers-n473536

 

[2blackcats]

Crazy he was able to get 10 rifles to his hotel room without being suspected of anything.

But even if they saw him bring them in he could just be a sales man or whatever. I presume he legally owned all the guns.

 

[Dreadnought]

Probably going to change. At least for very large resorts with public areas.

Yeah, no. People value their privacy there’s no way hotels will start checking luggage because of this.

 

[DrForester]

Like, booked into the hotel and stuff?

That's what the sheriff said. You can throw the do-not-disturb sign on the door and no one would come in.

 

[Fox318]

If this does not lead for a push of gun control I will be pissed. Even though I do not live in the States something truly needs to be done. The 2nd amendment needs to be either rewritten or abolished entirely. I feel only the army and law enforcement should have access to sniper rifles and assault rifles, not Joe Schmoe American.

Nothing will change.

Only way things change is if the head of Fox News suddenly changes his mind.

 

[guybrushfreeman]

Any more info on the woman who said they would die before the shooting happened?

There's no evidence that was related so far.

The women they were looking for is not inside the USA and was not at the time of the shooting.

Sherriff Joseph Lombardo said Marilou Danley, an associate of Stephen Paddock who police had appealed for help in locating, had been contacted and was currently outside of the US.

He said she was not believed to have had a connection to the shooting and it was thought Paddock had been using some of Ms Danley’s documents.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-...shooting-on-las-vegas-strip-live-blog/9008460

 

[hughesta]

Of course yeah, thoughts and prayers.

Yeah I thought about posting this too. Sickeningly on point.

 

[platocplx]

If this does not lead for a push of gun control I will be pissed. Even though I do not live in the States something truly needs to be done. The 2nd amendment needs to be either rewritten or abolished entirely. I feel only the army and law enforcement should have access to sniper rifles and assault rifles, not Joe Schmoe American.

Someone murdered a room of school children and nothing happened. What makes you think this will?

Literally Congresspeople got shot at and they still haven't done anything. So I honestly dont know they will do anything unless all the minorities start ramping up buying guns because the only thing the moves the needle in one direction in this country is racism.

 

[LNBL]

Crazy he was able to get 10 rifles to his hotel room without being suspected of anything.

To me its crazier that he is able to purchase 10 rifles to start with.

 

[Neith]

People are literally going out of their fucking minds. They are treating life like some random videogame, and they don't care anymore.

There is something especially fucking sick about these people that choose to just shoot a bunch of random innocent people.

RIP.

At the very least we need more detectors and gun laws in public buildings that can be enforced. This is ridiculous.

The fact this guy probably bought all this shit legally or not at some gun show or whatever is ludicrous. It's time to grow up. We can't trust people with automatic guns anymore. We can't trust people with normal guns, and anything even remotely automatic needs to be taken out of the hands of normal people.

You can't tell me there were no warning signs here. There damn well had to be.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

To me its crazier that he is able to purchase 10 rifles to start with.

My father has over 30, though the majority were inherited. There's people with literally hundreds.