Cosmetics are rewards that gamers value. In some games, like Overwatch, they are the primary reward. All the problems of loot boxes still apply to them.
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Jim Sterling: Microsoft, You Greedy Wankers! Let's Talk Forza 7...
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Cosmetics are rewards that gamers value. In some games, like Overwatch, they are the primary reward. All the problems of loot boxes still apply to them.
Audioboxer
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Forza will sell well. This is the saddest thing. Turn 10 look to have made the best Forza yet. All these years of working and building the brand to go up against the old faithful in GT and they've decided to shit the bed at a pinnacle moment. GT Sport is a huge gamble by PD at a time where there is frustration and apathy around GT.
Turn 10 couldn't just go and knock it out the park without deciding we'll ramp up the F2P, switch the VIP/assists and just turn this game into a cash cow. Let's not forget here Forza has almost become an annual franchise when you throw in Horizon too. They're different games, but it's all generating revenue for the brand. None of that is enough though considering what MS and Turn 10s plans seem to be for turning Forza into an economy.
Crayon
Member
This is the beginning of gaming counter-culture. We'll turn to indies and mid tier and they will flower and diversify into the true next generation of games. Leave all this mainstream shit to the birds.
As much as I hate his tone, the cursing and the hyperbole he is right when he says that the mods being in loot boxes seems like just subtracts from the game, adding nothing in return.
That said, just dont buy the game if that makes you not like it. Plenty of people enjoy and partake in loot boxes and micro transactions so I guess this reward system works in some way. Personally I think its way too close to gambling for me to feel its ever justified but if the audience is buying (and isnt regulated) theres no reason to stop.
It is what it is. In the end these games are popcorn entertainment and being mad about them will always seem like too much for me. And I dont think this stuff ever really bother me so I guess theres that.
That said, just dont buy the game if that makes you not like it. Plenty of people enjoy and partake in loot boxes and micro transactions so I guess this reward system works in some way. Personally I think its way too close to gambling for me to feel its ever justified but if the audience is buying (and isnt regulated) theres no reason to stop.
It is what it is. In the end these games are popcorn entertainment and being mad about them will always seem like too much for me. And I dont think this stuff ever really bother me so I guess theres that.
It's a big budget LOTR game, I don't see not selling well in the tea leaves.
I am sure someone somewhere did the analysis and found that they will get higher review scores if the real currency spending is off pre-review. Fuck them for doing it, but I have to also respect crafty bastards.
Forza 7 has potential to sell more than GT:Sport and Project Cars 2 because it is well regarded series, this iteration has good reviews, and is finally available on PC in its full form.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Perhaps it will sell a large amount but less than its prequel.
Forza has never been a big seller despite the critics reviews (1-2 million). PCars sold in that ballpark and GT is several times bigger.
Maintenance
Member
Not gonna happen. Not even close.
His non-Jimquisition videos are monetized.
Ah ok, guess i just never noticed.
LiquidSolid
Member
Don't do drugs.
plasmawave
Banned
Forza 7 is currently 54th place in Amazon best seller. I think it's doing terrible compared to past entries.
NoPiece
Member
Depends what your problem with loot boxes is. If your problem with them is that they are gambling, them yes. If your problem with them is they muck up the gameplay, then no. I don't care about the gambling aspect if you can opt out and it doesn't affect the game.
What's the best selling PC game that's only available on the Windows Store?
ronaldthump
Member
because it's a new shit thing every week.
mysteriousmage09
Member
100% spot on again.
The Last Wizard
Member
Itll happen too late if it ever does.
I wouldn't say that. I wanna say Forza 6 sold less than 200k in its opening NPD. Motosport doesn't sell as well as Horizon
plasmawave
Banned
Do you think this game will do worse than 6?
It's in your nature to destroy yourselves.
Yeah, major drag huh.
It's a pity JS didn't address the skullduggery of the VIP bait and switch. Is we're sorry you're confused the new please understand?
This was fairly weak week. Complaining about stuff they haven't even done yet. Sure it's coming but takes a bit of the steam out of it.
Personally I'm more bothered about the this trend of winning mods to make games easier. Why would I want to that? I selected the current difficulty for a reason. This really bothered me in Pinball FX 3. Pinball is about besting your high score with skill and a bit of luck. Not the other be way around. Beating my previous high because I used my 50% more points on bumpers is meaningless. Nevermind the fact that they display winning these awards on the field while the ball is in play.
Personally I'm more bothered about the this trend of winning mods to make games easier. Why would I want to that? I selected the current difficulty for a reason. This really bothered me in Pinball FX 3. Pinball is about besting your high score with skill and a bit of luck. Not the other be way around. Beating my previous high because I used my 50% more points on bumpers is meaningless. Nevermind the fact that they display winning these awards on the field while the ball is in play.
wapplew
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It's streamlined, instead of farming particular event or boss, everything you do give you universal currency.
Traditionally you want special drop from a boss, you farm the boss, now you can do anything you like, play the part you enjoy, earn currency and still got a chance to get the item you want with loot box.
I dont think THIS part is all that nefarious. Previous forza iterations delayed the real currency- and the result was an in-game economy that was pleasing to the audience without the influence of MTs. When the MTs were turned on, the economy remained unchanged- players were never pressured to spend extra. In one game, they've even of made the ingame economy MORE GENEROUS prior to turning MTs on.
Fm7 is different because the economy and UX prior to the real currency being accepted is already clearly designed to push people towards mts/lootboxes. They've made the in-game economy worse than ever in anticipation of the fact that they will be charging extra to make it feel better.
DriftingSpirit
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The Horizon series is what sells the best. Motorsport is okay to decent sales wise.
killatopak
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If there's one thing I agree with Jim, it's his hate for the disgusting practices the gaming industry is doing.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
What makes you think it is Turn10's call?
PCars on 3 platforms sold in Forzas ballpark on one? Hot take right there
Banjo-Kazooie
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edit: double post
They'll probably try & sell you ice creams & other snacks during the intermission too.
matrix-cat
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You don't even pay to skip the grind any more; it's obfuscated behind layers of fuckery. First you pay $60 to get your foot in the door, then you pay again for a Loot Box that might contain the consumable item you're looking for, then you use that consumable item to trigger a brief window during which the grind is slightly alleviated. Because why would publishers let you pay just once when they can keep you paying for the entire lifespan of the game?
Samanosuke Akechi
Member
Oh its clearly not.
AntraxSuicide
Banned
People like me don't really care and continue to buy games without touching the loot boxes or caring about their inclusion. I'd wager that more people are like me than you (given the popularity of these games which seems unaffected by the loot boxes), and so doing this would just be some arbitrary score alteration.
If reviews mention these are included, use that to decide if you want the game or not.
Muppet of a Man
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Haha at the last few lines of the video. So true. Where is your fucking self respect?
Publisher: over there in the corner, buried under that pile of cash.
veterangamerUK
Member
This is making me reconsider my Xbox One X pre-order. I want a 4K bluray player and thought it would be good to also play the latest games at the best resolution.
Reading this, and other threads, I don't like how the industry is heading.
Nice work MS, your only flagship game now ironically may be the thing that loses another sale.
Reading this, and other threads, I don't like how the industry is heading.
Nice work MS, your only flagship game now ironically may be the thing that loses another sale.
Daffy Duck
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Spot on Jim.
I wish/cant wait for the day that some insider at a CoD/EA developer whistle blows about this stuff from behind the scenes, I think it would be horrible to learn about it from the inside.
Funny, its having the exact same effect on me too.
I wish/cant wait for the day that some insider at a CoD/EA developer whistle blows about this stuff from behind the scenes, I think it would be horrible to learn about it from the inside.
Funny, its having the exact same effect on me too.
the_darkness
Banned
The most pathetic thing is that we KNOW Turn10 and Microsoft reps are reading these threads, filled with posts questioning console purchases and game purchases and they're too fucking gutless to engage in the conversation.
Prototype Viktor
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just pounding it pounding it pounding it the point home
veterangamerUK
Member
I guess at this stage I'm as well just to get the S to play 4k blurays and use it as an entertainment & indie machine
DISSESHOWEDO
Banned
With movies getting longer and longer, that would be a nice bathroom break, as getting older and older! 😂
Speaking of reviews, Eurogamer once again shows they're one of the better review sites out there, with six whole paragraphs dedicated to loot boxes.
Audioboxer
Member
Turn 10 should at least have a bit more influence than the average 3rd party dev at MS considering they're 1st party.
VG247 has posted this
https://www.vg247.com/2017/10/04/forza-7-feels-like-a-free-to-play-game-you-paid-60-to-play/amp/
TwiztidElf
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As a long time Forza fan, I've played every one up until now, I'm out.
I don't understand why they don't just go full blown F2P with Forza at this point.
I don't understand why they don't just go full blown F2P with Forza at this point.
I thought the mods in Forza 6 were worse, the boosted your cars stats. This is just bonus credit for when Racing.
I havent even touched a loot box, the VIP thing is worse, they need to change that for those guys back.
Its a shame this is easily the best looking, handling and racing Forza yet, with the most content too.
I havent even touched a loot box, the VIP thing is worse, they need to change that for those guys back.
Its a shame this is easily the best looking, handling and racing Forza yet, with the most content too.