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It's sickening people are showing their true color
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This was a tremendously worthwhile response. Enjoy whatever shithole you are scurrying off to.
KojiKnight
Member
Agreed, seeing a lot of the sentiment of 'remove the elements I don't agree with and everything will be great" from a lot of users... with many not being too subtle about what they mean by that.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
either way, reset is going to have the same issues as here, doesn't bother me but I do come here for just game news and information. may have to honestly find a good place just for that if it doesn't come back here as strong as it was
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Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
And she definitely wouldn't be surprised.
Paracelsus
Member
This is definitely Neogaf: Civil War, so Phase 3.
KojiKnight
Member
Comic book crash of the 90's?
RastaMentality
Banned
Mammoth Jones
Member
Thank you. I read Gaming side for the latest news. But I actively participated in OT to a great extent. Some fantastic debates and conversations. Even when I got dogpiled to shit for being unapologetically pro Second Amendment I appreciated the debate that forced me to analyze my perspective and see things from anothers point of view.
The strong moderation policy was what helped keep the discourse on topic and not delve into personal insults. But with the mod team gone with bedlam.
What bothers me is we lose an entire OT forum with so many great communities because of one individual shitty behavior.
Now mofos feeling froggy and wanna bitch about not being able to say "SJW sucks" in a serious sentence without getting banned.
Foxy the Fox
Member
Life is a PUBG with permadeath
Nobody was even responding to you. The other user was commenting on how paranoid people were becoming over bans. I'd ask WTF your problem is but I won't be seeing your next post. What's left here is looking to be on par with what preceded it. Fun times.
When did I say or even imply that? Dont be an ass.Yeah how dare people create fake drama about women being sexually assaulted
if the people with the disgusting suicide/ban ops are an example of what to expect in resetera i rather stay here.
prag16
Banned
What she and some others don't seem to want to accept or acknowledge is that it was entirely possible to get banned without being a bigot of any kind, and without being an asshole. And that was a problem.
What preceded this era was every thread shitted up with those stupid kelets or whatever those giraffe looking things were called and a site that was ok with nude pics of a GAFfers girlfriend being posted without her consent for a psp. This whole make GAF great again bullshit is transparent as fuck.
Pretty much this. Sad to see GAF turn into /pol/-lite in less than 12 hours. Also, Mammoth, are you migrating over to Reset, Slaent, or Waypoint? I always appreciated your posts and it'd be awesome to hear if you're gonna make the move.
Also on two occasions in the last few weeks, I witnessed someone make an ignorant post, get corrected or debated in subsequent posts in the midst of dogpiling, then *acknowledge* that their original post was ignorant and that they were wrong and didn't think it through... and still got banned.
Surely if someone is open to discussion and willing to listen and learn, they don't deserve a ban. Context surrounding the post needs to be taken into consideration. I'd rather people feel freer to express ignorance so they can be corrected than continue to harbour poorly thought through opinions because they've got nowhere to debate them.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
I distinctly remember being banned once over stating that it was fine for heterosexual men to not prefer transgender women; that the right to sexual preference was an individual right.
I support transgender rights mind you and yet somehow ended up on the 'wrong' side of this particular mods worldview.
The exact same argument would occur again from the same moderator in a chain of circumstances that ultimately led to their demodding and as now, ensuing drama.
One need only look at the user reaction currently to realize that something is off kilter about the environment. You could certainly experience a Neogaf free from this but in a lot of cases, issues approaching political or social discourse posed a problem.
The new approach is probably more sensible though not foolproof since politics and social discourse often intertwine into gaming.
The most toxic posts Ive seen have been rape jokes from people nuking their accounts. ResetEra has its work cut out for it if these are going to be its Day 1 users.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
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RastaMentality
Banned
what I think you don't understand is that you (not you specifically, but generally) can be an asshole who expresses bigoted opinions in innocence
being disrespectful isn't always a conscious behavior. more people need to realize this instead of falling back on the "oh but i'm a good person there's no way I said something wrong. they're just overly sensitive" defense
yes, sometimes evilore banned someone for just disagreeing but those instances were quite rare and not reflective of moderation on the whole.
All of this.
It's like saying you can't possibly have a broken leg because I didn't MEAN to run you over with my car. Because all that ever matters is intent.
Not to mention the irony of people protesting that evilore's unwanted exposure to his future gf was sexual assault... and so they account-suicide by exposing us to unwanted goatse. Real moral integrity there.
entremet
Member
There's gonna be a weird vacuum the next weeks. It will settle down as people are banned. Personal opinion about Evilore aside, he did commit to run well-moderated ship that eschewed the toxicity found elsewhere online.
Moderation was not perfect, but GAF is (was?) a huge forum that moved very fast. Moderating seemed very difficult as an outsider.
Moderation was not perfect, but GAF is (was?) a huge forum that moved very fast. Moderating seemed very difficult as an outsider.
silveralen
Neo Member
I question your view on this, given you've already expressed that some fairly benign statements qualify as bigoted or hateful. I'm actually curious what you'd say about the above poster banned for saying the above about sexual preference and transgender women.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I agree with you. We can only wait and see though. But I hope we can still have honest discussions about social issues in games too.
For instance, it would be weird to not be able to talk about a game like GTA3: San Andreas and it's main character being black without acknowledging the racism that was being used about that choice back then.
If something like that happened with a game now, we'd have to talk about it.
RastaMentality
Banned
i would need to see the post in question. i dont trust users' own accounts of what they said. they always frame it as innocuous after the fact
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
It's an amazing thing that GAF lasted as long as it did.
Face it message boards are from a bygone era. Posting on a forum is really a thing of the past. We have so many other means of immediate communication. Message boards is just about the least effective way to engage in real time conversations.
The only reason GAF lasted as long as it did is because of the amazing mod team. A team that has disbanded. They are the ones that fostered a place for reasonable discussion. Now that the great mods that were at GAF are gone it's going to devolve into every other shithole comment section on the internet.
All that said I still like posting on message boards. Especially those with tight moderation that foster good discussion. Forums are great for informational Official Threads, good for in depth discussion on breaking news, and also a good place to learn about new topics.
It's perfectly fine for members of this community to post where they are going to continue those discussions. It is very petty of you to want to deny the community WE built here from continuing in a place that will have the moderation we've come to expect from a message board. Get over yourself.
Face it message boards are from a bygone era. Posting on a forum is really a thing of the past. We have so many other means of immediate communication. Message boards is just about the least effective way to engage in real time conversations.
The only reason GAF lasted as long as it did is because of the amazing mod team. A team that has disbanded. They are the ones that fostered a place for reasonable discussion. Now that the great mods that were at GAF are gone it's going to devolve into every other shithole comment section on the internet.
All that said I still like posting on message boards. Especially those with tight moderation that foster good discussion. Forums are great for informational Official Threads, good for in depth discussion on breaking news, and also a good place to learn about new topics.
It's perfectly fine for members of this community to post where they are going to continue those discussions. It is very petty of you to want to deny the community WE built here from continuing in a place that will have the moderation we've come to expect from a message board. Get over yourself.
I feel like the boat I was on capsized, and I've just surfaced and I'm looking around like WTF at some of the recent posts. I don't know where the cool people I enjoyed went. And apparently I'm not cool enough to figure it out.
I started lurking GAF in 2008. Didn't bother to get a suitable email to register until 2012.
It was almost a revelation to me. A video game forum, where someone could be gay and mention it and not have to deal with the tons of childish and bigoted posts that would predictably follow on other similar forums in the early days of the internet.
I found the arguments and discussions on GAF almost unparalleled on the internet. It wasn't perfect. Sure, some past mods were sometimes almost too heavy handed. And sometimes posters would gang up on opposing opinions.
So again yeah it wasn't perfect, but overall I'll miss what GAF was, if it's never able to truly resurrect itself, here or somewhere else.
silveralen
Neo Member
That's actually enough to illustrate that you think the topic could at least potentially be discussed correctly and isn't inherently off limits. As long as people can at least keep that mentality I'm generally not too bothered.
entremet
Member
I do still think forums are viable. I'm on a few Discords and they're great for real time communitcation, but I like the assymetrical nature of forum.
Why can't you post the URL for SL&ENT? Is it a banned site on GAF? If so, why? Just seems like a halfway decent forum to me.
PS - Both SL&ENT and Resetera are horrible names for a website. What were they thinking?
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Sure, they are still viable I guess what I meant is I don't think there is room for many forums as large as GAF was. They have been 'out of style' for a while now.
I obviously enjoy posting on forums since I'm still here posting.
Slnt is banned, yea. Reset's name came about in literally 12 hours. I hope they'll change it down the line.
The loss of the OT forum hurts, it's where I ended up spending a lot of my time in the past couple years here.
And yeah, gotta love the anti-SJW folks all over the place going nuts, especially on Twitter.
As for here, I'm gonna' see how things play out.
Stop with the fud, those people are outing themselves and puttimg targets on their own backs, the forum rules haven't changed, if they're on some bullshit, the site does not need them. we just don't have the mod pwer to get them all at the moment.
Why is it banned? That seems pretty stupid to me.
KojiKnight
Member
It's not FUD if it's currently happening, and it's still a concern till the mods actually take care of it. Yes, steps have been made on some users and no doubt the mods are being overwhelmed... but I don't think it's unfair to voice my concerns as they currently are.
Are they on their way out? Social media is currently imploding with bots and astroturfing. The writing is on the wall... for social media.
Forums survived internet 1.0 and internet 2.0. They have longevity because they work. Kids wont be attracted to the dumpster fires Facebook and Twitter have become.
It was set up by banned folks. Whether you feel their bans were justified is a different story.
Anime Avatar
Neo Member
It was created by a group of ex gaffers. That's reason enough around these parts
Arkage
Banned
I'm going to join the new forum too. Whichever one bans me will be the one I don't use. It'll be interesting to see how moderation will compare between the two.
I like how you disagree with and concede my point in the exact same post.
People complain that posters jumped on others - wars for formats/platforms/politics/sports teams etc. But this was still a way more civilised place than most places. People are dicks generally, and more so when they have internet anonymity. Topics like politics etc are never going to be completely polite
John Wick
Member
Pretentias Prick. If you really cared??? Get off your Moral High Horse. There are people getting murdered killed every day. People living in apartheid state and you think this dip in the pond is some earth shattering event? The Law will deal with this matter if its worth pursuing. Don't judge before the full evidence ehas been presented
ZombieNapoleon
Member
For me, who is extremely novice in terms of navigating forums or the internet culture (just so much to take in, so little time), I just came across two camps:
- Those using it as means to kick and scream about sexual harassment and leaving ship (with one finger salutes held high). Though there could have been those doing the same in hopes of having members follow them to other ships of opportunity.
- Then there are those who accuse NeoGaf and users of being liberal echo chamber, SJWs who didn't like to hear the other side.
Full disclosure, I never checked out the off-topic section as I just enjoyed the gaming community and the opinions and scopes found there-in. I'm just happy to see that trying to remain by some on here.
- Those using it as means to kick and scream about sexual harassment and leaving ship (with one finger salutes held high). Though there could have been those doing the same in hopes of having members follow them to other ships of opportunity.
- Then there are those who accuse NeoGaf and users of being liberal echo chamber, SJWs who didn't like to hear the other side.
Full disclosure, I never checked out the off-topic section as I just enjoyed the gaming community and the opinions and scopes found there-in. I'm just happy to see that trying to remain by some on here.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
A person believes in his own views and are arguing in the wind when the other person is exactly the same in what they believe in..... think about it.
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