The state of NeoGAF

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This cult-like worship of specific forum members and moderators seems so weird to me. Some people will leave, who cares? People come and go all the time.

It's not really a cult, it's a normal human community thing isn't it? It's normal not to care as well, I haven't seen much on gaf that is really strange.
 
How was the revenge porn matter actually confirmed? Were people there during the time? It's mind-bogglingly evil.

This to me is the most troubling thing. For me the shower thing is a case of 'I believe her but I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions'. But I hadn't heard about the revenge porn thing until the last day-ish. That to me is 100x worse and a much bigger reason to be outraged. Is this something that has come out recently? If not why is this all happening now, rather than then? I'm so confused. Evil is the right way to describe posting revenge porn.
 
1. You're over exaggerating.

Maybe, it could be that everyone is on edge due to the situation. However in my limited time as a full member I've noticed quite a few instances of other members behaving very weirdly around prominent members and moderators.

2. In forums, members who establish a reputation for having insider knowledge, specialist knowledge/skills/hobbies or can conduct themselves and communicate with a high level of efficiency are super valuable.

That sounds reasonable, with one caveat. As long as these members still operate as part of the community they are indeed valuable. I get the feeling that some of these people, certainly not all, feel that they ARE the community, not a (quite important even) part of it.
 
This cult-like worship of specific forum members and moderators seems so weird to me. Some people will leave, who cares? People come and go all the time.

In my opinion, anyone in the GAF user base that I recognize has hinted that they are leaving. And I'm talking 12 years of user recognition.

No offence to anyone, but I don't recognize nearly anyone who has posted that they're proudly staying. Maybe it's just that the regulars aren't posting messages like this because it's a faux pas by the old mores of GAF, but it's pretty consistent. I've said to myself "wow, regular user X is staying?" maybe once? Maybe twice?

I'm sure the community will continue and become a new thing.... but the reason why I come to GAF is not the name, the forum software, or the owner. It's the community, and it looks from their statements or presence on other services like they're all jumping ship.

Perception isn't always reality, but that's what I see right now.
 
Are we allowed to make a good bye post that is not vile in any way and not be banned or if you make any of “those” threads your automaticly banned?

Sorry if aksed before

I'd say don't worry, I asked to be banned three times and yet I am still here. Make your goodbye thread, my ban me just got locked.

As for me, it's about sending a message because just logging off is too good for that asshole.

So fuck you EvilLore and fuck your skewed sense of liberalism. You deserve nobody's respect and should be glad at least some people are capable of looking past it so you can keep getting your click money for running this forum. As for me, this is where I'm off, you're a completely irredeemable jackass and I hope things eventually come back to bite you so hard into your own ass you can't spin it into you being the victim here.

You never were, you just hate admitting you're a douchebag and want people to believe you're better than you actually are.

These posts are the posts that matter.

Bro, you forgot the best one:

Guess I need to post this again since there are some people who seem to have already forgotten after 2 page. Wow, how the mind slips!

"Allegedly"

Opening admitting to sexually assaulting someone(then banning anyone who called him out for it)
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Posting revenge porn with their real full names then another admin(a now jailed pedophile) printed the photos and jacked off over them and sent it to the boyfriend.
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You're right, how can we even know if he's guilty or not? HMMMM

Also:
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And yes this is post 5.334 and I said three posts ago that it's my last one, but you know what? I don't give a fuck, at least this gave me a chance to quote this post into a new page because everyone should read it. Either way that's about all the energy I still care to invest, wish ya'll a good day.

Except EvilLore, he can go to hell.
 
Figured this would be the best place to as. How do I get an invite for ResetERA?

At this stage, you're too late. Vetted communities from discord are being able to create their OT's and register accounts (Should be occurring in the next 24 hours) and after that, regular registration should open.

I don't know what the URL is for the site yet, follow twitter.com/ReseteraForum for more info to come.
 
This to me is the most troubling thing. For me the shower thing is a case of 'I believe her but I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions'. But I hadn't heard about the revenge porn thing until the last day-ish. That to me is 100x worse and a much bigger reason to be outraged. Is this something that has come out recently? If not why is this all happening now, rather than then? I'm so confused. Evil is the right way to describe posting revenge porn.

I had seen the pic on GG forums before but didn't believe it was credible.
 
yup. the allegations were bad enough but the way that the website has been malformed in response is pathetic.
Now I've been reading this sentence a lot now. I wonder though how, according to you and others, a proper response should have looked like? How would you have reacted in such a situation? In fact, has anyone EVER reacted properly to such allegations? I cannot actually remember ever seeing one (apparently) proper reaction. Like, it's always wrong no matter what the blamed person did.

I always find it funny how people throw out stuff like this. Like they would have reacted any better, innocent or not. Especially when that shit spreads like wildfire (which it did in this case)... What a joke..
 
I guess it will be interesting to see what happens here in the future. I often enjoy lesser known games particularly in the SRPG genre. This is one of the few sites that has topics on games that aren't the big name sellers. Although even here, nobody cares about the Koei strategy games like Nobunaga's Ambition and Romance of the 3 Kingdoms. Which is a damn shame. Lol.
I played Romance of the Three Kingdoms XI and XIII...and I also noticed the lack of presence here. So I swung by some forum specifically about the time period and posted there.


It's probably best to just ignore him at this point because there is either something really wrong with him (selectively ignoring certain parts of what people write, changing the argument, deliberately accusing people of something (despite different people pointing out that he didn't even read their post properly), throwing posters into blanket categories, making generalized statements which are obviously wrong (like the one you quoted), contradicting himself on several occasions etc) or he is just playing people along.
 
In my opinion, anyone in the GAF user base that I recognize has hinted that they are leaving. And I'm talking 12 years of user recognition.

I know. We'll see what happens, NeoGAF will be different but that doesn't mean it will be worse. I'm willing to wait it out and see what happens and I will support the others in their new beginning.
 
It's why I have Ad Block enabled. Even if he is innocent, his actions in splintering communities and speed-approving accounts that are just troublemakers at best, and alt-right dicks at worst, means he won't get a penny from me.
Wait what?

This is going to be an alt right site now?
 
Now I've been reading this sentence a lot now. I wonder though how, according to you and others, a proper response should have looked like? How would you have reacted in such a situation? In fact, has anyone EVER reacted properly to such allegations? I cannot actually remember ever seeing one (apparently) proper reaction. Like, it's always wrong no matter what the blamed person did.

I always find it funny how people throw out stuff like this. Like they would have reacted any better, innocent or not. Especially when that shit spreads like wildfire (which it did in this case)... What a joke..

First of all, when the allegations come to light you don't try to ignore it or try to suppress it. That looks bad, real bad. The allegations themselves aren't that bad, so why the heavy handed response? You could have easily said "I fucked up, she forgave me, we continued on and things didn't work out. I've grown as a person yadda yadda". God damn show some humility or that you're actually taking these things seriously. Instead he swung in the opposite direction and called her batshit crazy, threw blame toward the community, and restricted topics on the forum.

This whole ordeal is more than just the sexual allegations, it extends to how he presents himself and reacts to these situations.
 
At this stage, you're too late. Vetted communities from discord are being able to create their OT's and register accounts (Should be occurring in the next 24 hours) and after that, regular registration should open.

I don't know what the URL is for the site yet, follow twitter.com/ReseteraForum for more info to come.

Thanks.
 
The people quitting are barely anything compared to the total user base. If anything we just got rid of a bunch of asshole just waiting to explode.
ah yes, 'a bunch of assholes'. not like anyone could have a genuine issue with the allegations and/or the way evilore has pathetically handled them? plenty of prominent, longstanding users have left, but i guess they were just assholes who were 'just waiting to explode' and not upset at the state of things.

as for your first point, whilst i very much doubt the majority of users have left and i'd imagine there's still plenty enough to keep this forum scraping along you'd have to be burying your head in the ground to act like there hasn't been a decent dent in the user base. the total user count on the homepage includes all members that have created an account here (and so therefore includes currently banned members) so it's hard to quantify, but there were a lot more people leaving than just the people posting account suicides - look at any of the now reopened community threads. the splinter forum isn't even up and it's twitter page only has one tweet posted a day ago yet already has 6.5k followers. i don't think any new forum spinning off is ever gonna be as popular as this was (and still is) but there's clearly been quite a lot of people who've wanted out from this mess, and not just the 'assholes' or trolls trying to shit-stir.
 
Eh it does. What crowd is GAF gonna attract in the future, what do you think?

Maybe a decent one if there is a rule change which allows for clear rules which are then enforced properly. I doubt that will happen though and the change of moderation into even more anonymity is the wrong one in my opinion.
 
First of all, when the allegations come to light you don't try to ignore it or try to suppress it. That looks bad, real bad. The allegations themselves aren't that bad, so why the heavy handed response? You could have easily said "I fucked up, she forgave me, we continued on and things didn't work out. I've grown as a person yadda yadda". God damn show some humility or that you're actually taking these things seriously. Instead he swung in the opposite direction and called her batshit crazy, threw blame toward the community, and restricted topics on the forum.

This whole ordeal is more than just the sexual allegations, it extends to how he presents himself and reacts to these situations.

He turned into the Rupert Murdoch of forums, it was the worst option he could have gone for.
 
Moderate users one can hope. There is not just extreme left and the right wing. There is a middle ground you know.

Gamers don't skew "middle ground". Try saying feminism (which IS the middle ground) is an unequivocally good thing on r/gaming and see what happens? Unless you moderate a gaming forum strictly, it's basically an empirical fact at this point that it turns pro-GG down the line. 99% of all gaming forums are pro GG, Alt-Right trash that couldn't produce worthwhile content to save their lives. Haven't you figured there's possibly something fishy about the "We just want to talk about games!!!!" crowd?

GAF was the middle ground, perhaps slightly left of it. Remember the political spectrum is a French invention, not an American one. And people sure seem to mistake a vocal resistance against far-right ideas as an overly left thing. The louder you rebel, the more left you are. Doesn't get much more stupid than that. Communism never got much traction here, did it?
 
Boogie, is that you? Also I love that you say "Extreme" left but then just "right wing". How very centralist of you.
I mean, we act like it wasn't but we all know the left wing was pretty extreme here up to the point where is actually hurt the community. Just compare GAF to what it was a couple of years ago. I've been on this forum for over 10 years and boy has it changed.

First of all, when the allegations come to light you don't try to ignore it or try to suppress it. That looks bad, real bad. The allegations themselves aren't that bad, so why the heavy handed response? You could have easily said "I fucked up, she forgave me, we continued on and things didn't work out. I've grown as a person yadda yadda". God damn show some humility or that you're actually taking these things seriously. Instead he swung in the opposite direction and called her batshit crazy, threw blame toward the community, and restricted topics on the forum.

This whole ordeal is more than just the sexual allegations, it extends to how he presents himself and reacts to these situations.
Look, I don't want to defend EviLore or anything but you guys acting so ass uptight is just ridiculous. Every single one of you would have crushed under the pressure and handled this just a bad as he did, maybe worse. Dude was probably neck deep into trying to explain the situation to his family, friends and mod teams. But nooo... uhhh.... he didn't probably address the community here within 10 minutes. I'm sorry, but gimme a break.
 
Look, I don't want to defend EviLore or anything but you guys acting so ass uptight is just ridiculous. Every single one of you would have crushed under the pressure and handled this just a bad as he did, maybe worse. Dude was probably neck deep into trying to explain the situation to his family, friends and mod teams. But nooo... uhhh.... he didn't probably address the community here within 10 minutes. I'm sorry, but gimme a break.

He nuked the site and it took him 3 days to come up with the "bitch is crazy" defense. Let's not pretend there's no room for improvement there.
 
Why are so many of you people with <1 post per day coming out of the woodworks now?

I've spent years talking to conservative voters in politics threads, it's utter bollocks that you can't be a normal Conservative on gaf. It's harder for the really hardcore types to survive because of some of their views are just plain bad for other members of the forum.
 
I mean, we act like it wasn't but we all know the left wing was pretty extreme here up to the point where is actually hurt the community. Just compare GAF to what it was a couple of years ago. I've been on this forum for over 10 years and boy has it changed.


Look, I don't want to defend EviLore or anything but you guys acting so ass uptight is just ridiculous. Every single one of you would have crushed under the pressure and handled this just a bad as he did, maybe worse. Dude was probably neck deep into trying to explain the situation to his family, friends and mod teams. But nooo... uhhh.... he didn't probably address the community here within 10 minutes. I'm sorry, but gimme a break.

Yesss this
 
Whats with your obsession with post rates? This site isn't just for the people that post the most.

It was just a question. I'm genuinely curious.

Every single one of you would have crushed under the pressure and handled this just a bad as he did, maybe worse.

I mean, it wouldn't have happened to me to begin with because I wouldn't have done what he did, so...

I've spent years talking to conservative voters in politics threads, it's utter bollocks that you can't be a normal Conservative on gaf. It's harder for the really hardcore types to survive because of some of their views are just plain bad for other members of the forum.

That's what I was thinking too. When I first joined, I'd argue in almost every thread I saw. I was a slightly right leaning moderate back then, never got banned because I argued with tact, reason and evidence. That allowed the mods to see that, even though I was being an ass, I had reasons for my posts that they could see.

Now I'm left leaning, but that wasn't until a couple years of arguing here and assessing the merits, evidence and objectives of every viewpoint.
 
Most of GAF considers anyone with dissenting politics to be alt-right, so I wouldn't put any stock in that.

Yes I hope you're correct.

As for people saying he took too long to reply, most of us won't understand but if he didn't find most of Saturday and Sunday consulting with lawyers, I'd be shocked. When you're in his financial position and someone starts dragging your nae around social media getting people to react overtly and wrote, sexual harrasment assault, etc etc under circumstances that are he said she said, then yeah, need to think about your response.

That would be called reasonable in tagt situation with so much at stake and so many people feeling personally involved somehow.

Much harder than a CEO if a company making a product that we might have bought a few times.

If this was something that was actionable on her part then it makes sense to wait and not kneejerk react.
like most of the rest of the internet haha
 
Look, I don't want to defend EviLore or anything but you guys acting so ass uptight is just ridiculous. Every single one of you would have crushed under the pressure and handled this just a bad as he did, maybe worse. Dude was probably neck deep into trying to explain the situation to his family, friends and mod teams. But nooo... uhhh.... he didn't probably address the community here within 10 minutes. I'm sorry, but gimme a break.

He's ran this place for 13 years, pawning it off like it was impossible for him to do the right thing is laughable and looks even more poor on his part.
 
"Hey mom, I invaded a girl's personal space, sexually harrased her and then give her the cold shoulder when she didn't accept my creepy advances. Now I'm gonna chill for 3 days, come back to my forum and tell everyone she's crazy and is making everything up. I'm the victim here! Don't listen to the fake news."

3 days.
 
Going to speak about my personal experience with GAF.
As you can all see I'm still a Junior and long time lurker.
I was fairly excited when I got the account to be able to participate in some discussion but fairly quickly I realised that I was better off just using GAF as a news source only.
The main reason I think is that I was scared of losing my account and the nice commodities that comes with it.
I think I am quite close to Boogie in term of philosophy, I don't like or don't even have the inclination to react emotionally to a lot of things and I like to get all the facts before throwing judgement. And so many people were hating on him with that gif posted over and over again that I thought I would get treated the same if I spoke up.
A lot of OT thread were just 'fuck trump', 'fuck the cops' etc I'm not American so I couldn't relate directly but these reaction did not make for good discussion imo.
Anyway maybe I'll post more now, maybe not.
 
Why are so many of you people with <1 post per day coming out of the woodworks now?

People here do sometimes rush out to label things/people as 'alt-right' though.

Saw it in one thread on Twitter's mishandling of abuse that the engineers who design the part of the platform that handles abuse reports are probably alt-right white supremacists. I think it was in the twitter boycott thread.

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Gamers don't skew "middle ground". Try saying feminism (which IS the middle ground) is an unequivocally good thing on r/gaming and see what happens? Unless you moderate a gaming forum strictly, it's basically an empirical fact at this point that it turns pro-GG down the line. 99% of all gaming forums are pro GG, Alt-Right trash that couldn't produce worthwhile content to save their lives. Haven't you figured there's possibly something fishy about the "We just want to talk about games!!!!" crowd?
This is exactly what I mean... Just because I don't fight for feminism and women's rights day and night I'm a what.... misogynist who hate women and treats them like shit? Because, you know, this is exactly the feeling you got when reading on GAF in the past couple of years. Does it have to be just one or the other? Does the forum have to be either "You get banned for saying you like games better when the main protag is a good looking women" or "Every 2nd thread dealing with nice asses and titties in gaming"? I really don't think so. I visist a couple of other forums (not as big as GAF though) and the middle ground works on all of them. Why can't it here?
 
This is exactly what I mean... Just because I don't fight for feminism and women's rights day and night I'm a what.... misogynist who hate women and treats them like shit?

Not at all. I don't know why you have such a persecution complex about this, I've never been to a feminism rally or anything and I've never been attacked for that, why do you think you would?

this place has been refreshing over the past day.

How so?
 
It was just a question. I'm genuinely curious.

Because they're a part of this community too? There are more lurkers\readers than active posters. Half a post a day isn't even that low and that poster has nearly two thousand posts Just seems like you're trying to diminish peoples credibility by their post counts.
 
I'm sure you are a white knight that didn't do anything inappropriate ever in your life. Check.

Of course I've done things that would be considered inappropriate in my life, don't be so fragile. It's just that when I do, I acknowledge what I did instead of blaming others. I use it as a learning experience. Also, saying I wouldn't sexually harass someone or try to take advantage of a heavily intoxicated woman is being a white knight now? Damn, dude.

Because they're a part of this community too? There are more lurkers\readers than active posters.

Yeah, definitely. I agree with that, it just seems like most of those people who never post are getting in on this.
 
This is exactly what I mean... Just because I don't fight for feminism and women's rights day and night I'm a what.... misogynist who hate women and treats them like shit? Because, you know, this is exactly the feeling you got when reading on GAF in the past couple of years. Does it have to be just one or the other? Does the forum have to be either "You get banned for saying you like games better when the main protag is a good looking women" or "Every 2nd thread dealing with nice asses and titties in gaming"? I really don't think so. I visist a couple of other forums (not as big as GAF though) and the middle ground works on all of them. Why can't it here?

I didn't fight for women's rights day and night and only ever got banned once for three days for necro bumping - in 6 years. How about you share a potential post you would have been afraid to post and I'll tell you whether you made the right decision to stay undercover or not?
 
I'm sure you are a white knight that didn't do anything inappropriate ever in your life. Check.
Might have misread a kiss opportunity, sure. But never tried to get into the shower with an intodicated woman who has a boyfriend then try to frame her as the mentally unstable liar.

You're reaching pretty far son.
 
Not at all. I don't know why you have such a persecution complex about this, I've never been to a feminism rally or anything and I've never been attacked for that, why do you think you would?



How so?

Oh, how about people being able to actually discuss shit instead of being banned?
 
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