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[Calibos]

Once again, some possible positive news for MS and Xbox fans being turned into a negative. What is the shit?

Games like this coming to Xbox isn't just about sales or markets, but also about brand visibility. They are late sure, but at least it can't be used as a negative for not being on the console if it does come.

Hopefully, Nioh makes it over too.

 

[KamasakiDrgn119]

"The xbox one sales not strong in Japan."
I don't think they are much stronger anywhere else ether!
This!

Why? Because Platinum fcked up? It's not Microsoft's fault that Platinum mismanaged their time and money and tried working on like...5 games at once despite being a small studio.

 

[Vawn]

Nier Automata is an AMAZING game, I think it would have got more GOTY if not for BoTW, Persona 5 and Horizon. It was just smashed in between HUGE heavy hitters, in another time, this would easily be GOTY, this is a must own for anyone that like JRPGs (along with the PS4)

Those were all great games, but the GOTY (obviously, imo) was either Nioh or Super Mario Odyssey. Honorable mention to Resident Evil VII and Prey too. 2017 was just a ridiculously good year for games.

 

[rokkerkory]

Any amazing 3rd party game should come out to as many platforms as possible so more people can enjoy.

 

[Danjin44]

Any amazing 3rd party game should come out to as many platforms as possible so more people can enjoy.

This true. I especially want NieR Automata come other systems to get even more sales so that way Yoko Taro can make games with bigger budget.

 

[WaterAstro]

Any amazing 3rd party game should come out to as many platforms as possible so more people can enjoy.

It's a nice sentiment, but studios' pockets aren't lined with gold.

 

[Nikana]

"The xbox one sales not strong in Japan."
I don't think they are much stronger anywhere else ether!
This!

35 million plus isnt a good base? Since when?

 

[rokkerkory]

It's a nice sentiment, but studios' pockets aren't lined with gold.

They could have more monies if they brought it to more platforms.

 

[WaterAstro]

They could have more monies if they brought it to more platforms.

lol it doesn't work like that at all. There is no guarantee they will make more money bringing it to Xbox. They have made calculated assessments on whether the Xbox market would be profitable, and it didn't work out. That's why we have this thread, and that's why it's not coming to Xbox.

 

[rokkerkory]

lol it doesn't work like that at all. There is no guarantee they will make more money bringing it to Xbox. They have made calculated assessments on whether the Xbox market would be profitable, and it didn't work out. That's why we have this thread, and that's why it's not coming to Xbox.

It's a proven winner of a game. It would have made $.

 

[VectorVictor]

35 million plus isnt a good base? Since when?

Since we're dealing with wounded fanboi logic. :-|

Seriously, all of the shade and ignorance from the SDF is a pestilence that needs to die out, quickly. Crash, Spyro, No Man's Sky, now Nier: Automata(sp) threads that announced XBO ports all had the same problem with Sony fanbois crapping all over said ports, and it is asinine.

Microsoft is still doing well, and these games finally making the trek over says as much, or the time wouldn't be spent porting the titles over. Plus, there's genuine enthusiasm by hardcore gamers for the XBO:X and having ports that take advantage of the hardware.

All of this this is a good thing, not just for Microsoft, but for the industry and gamers in general. Let's start thinking big picture here folks.

 

[Vawn]

It's a proven winner of a game. It would have made $.

Not really. Lost Odyssey was a great game and an exclusive, yet struggled on the 360. Xbox gamers just don't support many JRPGs.

These companies want to make money. They do their research and concluded it's unlikely worth the effort to support Xbox. PS4 and Switch is where their audience is.

If this is your type of game, you almost certainly already purchased a PS4 and/or Switch where almost all jrpgs reside.

 

[WaterAstro]

It's a proven winner of a game. It would have made $.

Not if there's no market for its target audience. They've hit the PS4 and PC market. They will have little to nothing to gain from the Xbox market, especially since it's non-existent in Japan.

 

[Arefu]

It would be cool, but I doubt it would sell well. Just look at the current track record for Japanese game sales on the Xbox One

 

[rokkerkory]

Not really. Lost Odyssey was a great game and an exclusive, yet struggled on the 360. Xbox gamers just don't support many JRPGs.

These companies want to make money. They do their research and concluded it's unlikely worth the effort to support Xbox. PS4 and Switch is where their audience is.

If this is your type of game, you almost certainly already purchased a PS4 and/or Switch where almost all jrpgs reside.

Proven winner in terms of ROI

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Any amazing 3rd party game should come out to as many platforms as possible so more people can enjoy.

True, but it costs money to port over the games and if you do not sell enough units to make up for the development costs, you could lose money. Same reason why games like gta6 and red dead 2 will probably skip Nintendo systems.

 

[EDMIX]

True, but it costs money to port over the games and if you do not sell enough units to make up for the development costs, you could lose money. Same reason why games like gta6 and red dead 2 will probably skip Nintendo systems.

Agreed. I don't get why most can't get this logic.

"Should" is a nice wish, but games cost money to make and that install base clearly doesn't really buy JRPG or really Japanese games compared to PS and Nintendo. Why should publishers keep wasting money on a install base that doesn't buy their content compared to PS and Nintendo?

 

[EDMIX]

35 million plus isnt a good base? Since when?

When that base doesn't buy the same amount of Japanese content compared to PS and Nintendo.

If "base" was simply the only reason to put a game on a system, Wii should have all the major 3rd party games right? Same with 3DS right bro? /s

If that base doesn't buy a certain type of game compared to other systems, you won't see those type of games. Very simple.

 

[cireza]

When that base doesn't buy the same amount of Japanese content compared to PS and Nintendo.

If "base" was simply the only reason to put a game on a system, Wii should have all the major 3rd party games right? Same with 3DS right bro? /s

If that base doesn't buy a certain type of game compared to other systems, you won't see those type of games. Very simple.

Obviously the install base is not the only parameter. When porting your game to the other system is equivalent of pushing the "compile for the other console button", you don't have to invest that much. This is of course an exaggeration, but it is not like making a specific port for an underpowered console like the Wii.

35 millions users of a console where the first episode of the series was released on the previous console looks like a good enough reason to give it a try.

So let's stop creating absurd reasons that the game won't sell on Xbox. It will make decent sales, there is no reason against it. Just like Catherine Full Body would also make good sales on Xbox One. The first game is available on Xbox One already, by the way. And I believe that Nier will follow the same path.

People buy and love their games on Xbox too.

 

[Koala Driving a Ferrari]

If "base" was simply the only reason to put a game on a system, Wii should have all the major 3rd party games right? Same with 3DS right bro? /s

What a hilariously stupid thing to say. And a complete false equivalence. You're either an idiot or a fanboy. The Wii was technically a generation behind the -then- current generation. Game ports to the Wii platform (Gamecube architecture repackaged) from the "next-gen" 360/PS3 required massive amounts of re-engineering &/or a change or third party game engines.

The Xbone is of the same core PC-inspired x86/AMD architecture as the PS4 and a port between the two systems takes *no* effort (in business terms). But you're not an idiot, so you know that already; you're just being intentionally disingenuous to propogate your bullshit fanboy narrative. Can you even code bro?

Hell, the X is technically half a generation ahead of the current PS4 Pro platform. It makes *complete* sense to quickly compile a superior version of Nier Automata to the Xbox One series of consoles regardless of your predicted % of sales to the current audience. Why? Because it's free money. And that free money goes back to the publisher which funds new games on your preferred platform (and the next iteration of Nier). Grow up. It's time to move out of your mom's basement, get a job, stop being a fanboy and get a girfriend. You're not 3 years old anymore EDMIX .

 

[nowhat]

The Xbone is of the same core PC-inspired x86/AMD architecture as the PS4 and a port between the two systems takes *no* effort (in business terms). But you're not an idiot, so you know that already; you're just being intentionally disingenuous to propogate your bullshit fanboy narrative. Can you even code bro?

Same processor architecture, sure, but a different OS and API. Now, as NieR:A already runs on Windows as well (or "runs", rather, but still a port already exist) surely the engine is abstracted to a point where porting would be rather trivial. But if this were not the case (say, if Sony would go completely bananas and start to port their first-party games to different platforms), porting would definitely be more than changing a compile flag, x64 or not.

(this is not to say I'd have any objections to NieR:A being available to a wider audience, everyone should play it)

 

[Danjin44]

So let's stop creating absurd reasons that the game won't sell on Xbox. It will make decent sales, there is no reason against it. Just like Catherine Full Body would also make good sales on Xbox One. The first game is available on Xbox One already, by the way. And I believe that Nier will follow the same path.

People buy and love their games on Xbox too.

Speaking of Catherine Full Body, I hope we see some info on it this E3. I also hope to see Catherine Full Body on othe platforms like PC, Switch and Xbox and if does sell well enough maybe Atlus will decide make series out of Golden Playground. With each entry it will have its own unique story and gameplay.

With that being said, after seeing Nier Automata not getting released on Xbox even tho the pervious games was on 360, there is little hope Catherine Full Body getting released on Xbox One. Heck!!! Even Star Ocean 4 HD remastered didn't came out on Xbox one which is weird because when SO4 first came out it was 360 exclusive. I feel like MS it's slowly giving up on Japanese games all together but thankfully Xbox one is getting some big upcoming Japanese games like Valkyria Chronicles 4, Kingdom Hearts 3 and Code Vain.

 

[Nikana]

When that base doesn't buy the same amount of Japanese content compared to PS and Nintendo.

If "base" was simply the only reason to put a game on a system, Wii should have all the major 3rd party games right? Same with 3DS right bro? /s

If that base doesn't buy a certain type of game compared to other systems, you won't see those type of games. Very simple.

First, you should consider maybe lightening up your tone because you come off as a jerk saying stuff like I don't get why people don't get this topic and it's simple.

I'm very aware how this industry works and don't need to be lectured to. If you want to have a discussion then let's have a discussion without the condescending tone

I was simply replying to the console war reply that was given as a weak attempt to be a "burn."

 

[VectorVictor]

I feel like MS it's slowly giving up on Japanese games all together but thankfully Xbox one is getting some big upcoming Japanese games like Valkyria Chronicles 4, Kingdom Hearts 3 and Code Vain.

What you're discussing in bold aren't current politices, but the policies (and general malfeasance) of Don Mattrick from when he tanked the XBox One launch. The same Don Mattrick that bombed at Microsoft, and then went over to Zynga and got jettisoned after tanking that company too (though to be fair, Zynga was in a bit of a downward slide when he hopped on--he just helped accelerate said slide exponentially).

These policies are sometimes like large ships at sea--they require a wide berth and ample time to turn them--and we're seeing the fruits of that turn now with Phil at the helm. Remember, development doesn't happen overnight or in a vacuum. Yes, it's taken a long time, but things are getting a lot better on the Microsoft front when it comes to Japanese games, and I think we'll see more positive news down the road.

Plus...with the Japanese developers, they tend to skew more art than entertainment when it comes to the culture surrounding gaming (this is a good thing IMO). As a result, they want to see the best delivery of their vision, no matter when, where, or how, if they have a choice in the matter and the economics are friendly. The XBO:X, save for a $1000 gaming PC, is the best place for them to see that vision realized on the market right now.

 

[Silent Viper]

"The xbox one sales not strong in Japan."
I don't think they are much stronger anywhere else ether!
This!

Please share the details of what happened between both? Gaf and era members jumping to conclusions based on things they hear on social media. No one knows what actually happened and no one knows If relationship are bad or unchanged between both.

 

[Silent Viper]

Even that will be a challenge. The audience for niche JRPG isn't necessarily large on ps4 either, but on Xbox it is near nonexistent. If a major franchise like ff15 struggles to hit 1 million on a 30 million userbase, what chance does a niche JRPG have?

Share source of latest Xbox FF 15 numbers please.

 

[cireza]

Speaking of Catherine Full Body, I hope we see some info on it this E3. I also hope to see Catherine Full Body on othe platforms like PC, Switch and Xbox and if does sell well enough maybe Atlus will decide make series out of Golden Playground. With each entry it will have its own unique story and gameplay.

With that being said, after seeing Nier Automata not getting released on Xbox even tho the pervious games was on 360, there is little hope Catherine Full Body getting released on Xbox One. Heck!!! Even Star Ocean 4 HD remastered didn't came out on Xbox one which is weird because when SO4 first came out it was 360 exclusive. I feel like MS it's slowly giving up on Japanese games all together but thankfully Xbox one is getting some big upcoming Japanese games like Valkyria Chronicles 4, Kingdom Hearts 3 and Code Vain.

I would also like to see the game released on all current consoles in the west (Swith, PS4, One and PC, and also Vita but I don't know if this will happen). You know, Atlus is now part of Sega, and Sega has been shifting the way it makes games and localizes them recently.

We are seeing the fruit of the restructuring the company went through 4 years ago, the new CEO is young and looks like he knows what he is doing. A Sakura Wars game has been announced recently, Valkyria Chronicles 4 is the dream game we have been waiting for etc...

Quality has become the essential aspect of the games for him, and I see that efforts have been made about localization as many recent games have been announced in the main European languages, games like Dragon's Crown, Valkyria 4 etc... I don't know if Shining Resonance Refrain will be translated into French as well (I guess so), it will be released on Xbox One as well. Shenmue I & II too, with French subtitles. Etc...

I believe that, for the new CEO, taking into account the west correctly means releasing games on all platforms, focusing on quality and localizing in several languages. Then only after that, will he make the right conclusions on the state of the market. If you have a good product, you need to make all the efforts to give it a proper chance to succeed. If your effort is half-assed, what can you learn ?

He looks like a wise, young man

 

[B_Signal]

I like how some members downplaying Nier coming to Xbox. Must be PS fanboys who are salty inside that this game is coming to Xbox

or, and I'm bracing myself to the reaction to this, they look at a niche, year old JRPG coming to a platform not known for having clamouring fanbase for those types of games, and many who have that platform and do want those games will have picked it up on another platform already, and thought "Nier might not do too well"

If it does go to xbox I hope it includes the dlc, maybe even something extra that goes back over to PC and PS4 too, but I'm with the people that don't really see the value in this for Square

 

[LOLCats]

i would buy it and play it again, hopefully it would come with DLC.

 

[Vawn]

The original NieR sold more than 2 to 1 on PS3 compared to 360, despite 360 having a larger install base at the time.

Now, the PS4 is ahead by more than 2 to 1 over the Xbox One. The game has been out over a year and even those who own both consoles, likely already played the game in PS4 if they ever planned to.

I can't blame SquareEnix if they don't port this to Xbox. It's a business. They have too make decisions that make financial sense.

 

[rokkerkory]

i would buy it and play it again, hopefully it would come with DLC.

I'd buy it too

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Share source of latest Xbox FF 15 numbers please.

http://n4g.com/news/1991124/79-of-uk-final-fantasy-xv-sales-were-on-ps4-21-xbox-one

Almost four out of every five physical launch copies sold on PS4.

https://www.psu.com/news/final-fantasy-15-ps4-sales-stomp-all-over-the-xbox-one-version/

https://www.onmsft.com/news/only-21-of-final-fantasy-xv-physical-sales-were-on-xbox-one-in-the-uk


I cannot find the original link that gave the actual sales figures unfortunately, but I am positive that I read the difference in units sold for each console was substantial. I do not know how accurate these sources are, but judging by the sales of MGS5 as well, I think the ratio split is feasible. I think there was also a big difference in Tekken 7 as well. Now the sales for FF15 on the XBx One are not bad by any stretch, but from what I heard it was a significant difference in sales.

 

[AgentP]

35 million plus isnt a good base? Since when?

You mean 2,000 in Japan? Xbox people don't play many Japanese games, if they did they would own PS4s. Looks at all big Japanese titles, even install base normalized, they sell much less (FFXV, Monster Hunter World, etc.). Of course that doesn't mean they can't make money, but like people have said there are finite resources and you have to pick the best bang for the buck and that isn't the Xbox.

 

[RiccochetJ]

Unfortunate. I would definitely double dip if it came to the Xbox. If you have a PC or a PS4 though, you should definitely check it out. Wonderful game.

 

[Barakov]

Unfortunately, I think the time for a port has long since past. As much as I'd like to see it on the X1 it probably wouldn't be worth the investment. The majority of people who were interested in it probably played it on PS4 or PC.

 

[Danjin44]

Unfortunately, I think the time for a port has long since past. As much as I'd like to see it on the X1 it probably wouldn't be worth the investment. The majority of people who were interested in it probably played it on PS4 or PC.

So maybe next time Yoko Taro makes his next game they might release it on X1 as well.

 

[Vawn]

So maybe next time Yoko Taro makes his next game they might release it on X1 as well.

They might, but Xbox gamers need to demonstrate they're now more interested in buying these types of games.

Publishers are studying the data. They're not making these decisions out any sort of loyalty to Sony and Nintendo or bias against Microsoft. They care only about financial risk vs reward.

There isn't a ton of JRPGs on Xbox One, but there are some. Buy them.

 

[GTR R35_Supra RZ]

Please share the details of what happened between both? Gaf and era members jumping to conclusions based on things they hear on social media. No one knows what actually happened and no one knows If relationship are bad or unchanged between both.

Agreed

Shit will never change, It's neogaf..console warriors doing nerds work..it is a never ending cycle.

Btw, install base is way psssed the 35 mill mark, prolly close to 50 mill. Who has the #s i need receipts and not a guessing gm.

 

[Hotspurr]

Something good happening to Xbox and this thread has turned into a firestorm, I wonder why...
It seems that...

Nier Automata will come to the X.
Many more people will get to play it.
The X will likely be the superior version by a good margin.
Some PS fanboys will get irritated because they want Sony to "win" and Xbox to "fail".
Many Xbox fans will try this game and might get motivated to try other Japanese titles (which are great BTW, after all they brought MH:World to Xbox).
Someone somewhere will moan about how Japanese titles don't do well on Xbox in Japan, ignoring most other major markets.
I will likely get this near release day, being glad that I waited and didn't pick it up for my vanilla PS4 which is showing its age.

 

[nowhat]

If it does go to xbox I hope it includes the dlc

Tangentially related, but this doesn't merit a thread of its own - to those who've played it, how's the DLC? I basically only know there's the absurd bossfight, but nothing else.

 

[Dabaus]

This post will come across as biased but here goes, I understand companies want to make as much money as possible but...A lot of Japanese games sell at least 7:1 playstation to xbox. Ill never understand a Japanese developer giving xbox priority unless MS fully funds the game. I get MS wanting games like Neir and other Jrpgs for street cred but at the end of the day these games sell fractions compared to their playstation counterparts.
Look, let me be clear, im a fan of Japanese games, I care and give a damn that they sell well because those are the games I want to play. Last generation was frustrating seeing MS sign exclusive deal after deal with Japanese pubs just to time and time again watch the game either outright bomb or under perform. My personal opinion is MS meddled in a market they don't understand and cant compete in damaged a lot of Japanese franchises and id hate to see a repeat of that.
Yoicha wada of SE shares a lot of the blame too for taking MS money for short term profits but long term damaging brands like Star Ocean for example. Do you think if ff13 would have been developed for one platform in mind (ps3) with blu ray disc as the standard the linear nature of the game could have been different? Possibly but we'll never know. Im glad xbox players get a chance to experience new games but I hope it pays off for the developer and not just a talking point for an MS e3 press conference for "hardcore street credentials"

 

[VectorVictor]

http://n4g.com/news/1991124/79-of-uk-final-fantasy-xv-sales-were-on-ps4-21-xbox-one


https://www.psu.com/news/final-fantasy-15-ps4-sales-stomp-all-over-the-xbox-one-version/

https://www.onmsft.com/news/only-21-of-final-fantasy-xv-physical-sales-were-on-xbox-one-in-the-uk


I cannot find the original link that gave the actual sales figures unfortunately, but I am positive that I read the difference in units sold for each console was substantial. I do not know how accurate these sources are, but judging by the sales of MGS5 as well, I think the ratio split is feasible. I think there was also a big difference in Tekken 7 as well. Now the sales for FF15 on the XBx One are not bad by any stretch, but from what I heard it was a significant difference in sales.

Huh...last I recall, the sales were directly proportional to the install base position in the market for Final Fantasy XV, and it was considered a success by SQEEENIX across the board. If it was a failure on the XBox One, I seriously doubt they would have spent the time to create the superior console version for the XBO:X, and instead been content to let it ride as-is and focus efforts on the PS4/Pro upgrades.

Plus, it's interesting that there's a lot of new JRPGs popping up on the XBox Marketplace. Just saw where Ys Origins was released a couple of weeks ago, and other Ys titles are now being prepared for digital release. Obviously *someone* is buying enough of these titles on the XBox One platform to warrant conversion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Dabaus]

Something good happening to Xbox and this thread has turned into a firestorm, I wonder why...
It seems that...

Nier Automata will come to the X.
Many more people will get to play it.
The X will likely be the superior version by a good margin.
Some PS fanboys will get irritated because they want Sony to "win" and Xbox to "fail".
Many Xbox fans will try this game and might get motivated to try other Japanese titles (which are great BTW, after all they brought MH:World to Xbox).
Someone somewhere will moan about how Japanese titles don't do well on Xbox in Japan, ignoring most other major markets.
I will likely get this near release day, being glad that I waited and didn't pick it up for my vanilla PS4 which is showing its age.

-Great for X owners
-Based of historical trends, especially for this generation, many people probably will not play it
-This is probably true.
-Maybe PS fanboys want Japanese games to have success because they enjoy playing them and want them to do well? Being tied to xbox has been a death knell for many a japense rpg?
-Besides the U.S. and the U.K. what other major markets is the xbox one relevant in?

 

[B_Signal]

Tangentially related, but this doesn't merit a thread of its own - to those who've played it, how's the DLC? I basically only know there's the absurd bossfight, but nothing else.

I'm wondering the same myself. I think it's still on offer on psn, but I'm not really in the mood to relearn the game just to do battle arenas or boss fights... I could always buy the platinum I guess

 

[cireza]

-Besides the U.S. and the U.K. what other major markets is the xbox one relevant in?

This kind of thinking will only lead you to shrink your target audience year after year. Wrong way of thinking, and certainly not a good reason to not give a Japanese game a try on Xbox.

 

[Danjin44]

Tangentially related, but this doesn't merit a thread of its own - to those who've played it, how's the DLC? I basically only know there's the absurd bossfight, but nothing else.

I one part is arena fights, another part is side story about one defective machine.

 

[nowhat]

I one part is arena fights, another part is side story about one defective machine.

So not that substantial DLC? That's what I've gathered so far. It feels like SE forced Yoko Taro to come up with a DLC. He responded in kind with the bossfight.

 

[Danjin44]

So not that substantial DLC? That's what I've gathered so far. It feels like SE forced Yoko Taro to come up with a DLC. He responded in kind with the bossfight.

Yeah, it might not be substantial but if you liked combat and mastered it, the arena fights can fun and very challenging. Also at in the end you fight

Spoiler

SE's CEO

 

[Pejo]

Cool news for Xbros if true. Wonder if there was any bad blood between P* and Xbox division, or if Square Enix stepped in and took control.

 

[nowhat]

Yeah, it might not be substantial but if you liked combat and mastered it, the arena fights can fun and very challenging. Also at in the end you fight

Spoiler

SE's CEO

Yeah, I'm aware of that (some gaming websites should really try to keep their headlines spoiler-free), that's exactly what I meant with "absurd bossfight"