Kotaku's Heather Alexandra gives example of what coined the term 'sjw'

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Whether or not you like the term 'sjw', the term once originated from a very specific attitude/behavior found in certain people. The popular definition of 'sjw' is something like 'person who feels the need to show the world how progressive he/she is, without actually accomplishing anything, because they're not really doing anything'. That's where the following blog posting comes in.

Amazon has bad practices towards its employees, that much is known. It should change, yes. Heather Alexandra wants to change that, too. Does she do something?
No.
But she writes a whole lot about how much she's doing. While at the same time admitting she's not really doing anything, because 'it's not practical'. Read for yourself:

Today is Prime Day, the Amazon-invented international shopping holiday that involves offering extensive deals on the digital storefront's products. Amazon workers across facilities in Europe are celebrating this artificial holiday with a multi-day strike, and I've decided to join them in my own way.

I stream video games on Kotaku's Twitch channel multiple times a week. That can mean playing Monster Hunter: World with readers or sitting down for a full playthrough of Metal Gear Solid. Amazon acquired Twitch in 2014 for $970 million, and as workers in Europe strike for better working conditions, I have chosen not to stream tonight.
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Given the field I work in, it's not practical to avoid using Twitch altogether, but today, I can't shrug and do nothing. On a day when workers are risking their livelihoods, I believe it is important to stand with them, in one of the few visible ways that I can, as a person who doesn't work at a facility herself. Canceling a stream and avoiding Amazon is the bare minimum of what I believe that I owe in solidarity with workers who deserve better
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https://kotaku.com/why-im-not-streaming-on-twitch-today-1827640034

If in the future anyone ever wonders what a 'sjw' is supposed to be, you can point to this thread. She's writing about how bad amazon is. She'll stop supporting amazon for one day. Then goes back to supporting amazon. Because it's practical. But she told everyone. So she's a good girl. Look at her, admire her. Because that's what a 'sjw' desires. Will amazon treat its employees any better tomorrow? No. Will Kotaku/Heather keep pressuring amazon timely? Probably not. But it made Kotaku/Heather appear progressive. Goal met.


PS: Do not use this as an excuse to harass her on Twitter. It's about the example of a 'sjw', not about any specific person. Thank you.
 
One of the first times I posted on the black community thread, I used "SJW," unironically, and the person who runs the BCC discord hates me to this day.

I once saw elsewhere that someone was banned for using SJW uniroincally.

I'm the last person to talk about "PC" and all that, but I think there are appropriate times to use SJW as a pejorative.

A slactivist, however, is not the same as a SJW. If the author of the KOtaku piece were a SJW, she would make a point to trash Amazon, even during times where it might not be deemed approrporate to do so, to demonstrate how much she hates Amazon's business practices.


"Amazon is sold out of Octopath Traveler"
"*** em, I'm glad they're not making money because they suck"


"I have 2 day shipping. Do you need anything?"
"YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!"


And so on.


Kotaku author, taking a day or two off from streaming, is slactivism. IF she were really bout it, she would write about why she's quitting Twitch forever.
 
I have always hated using the terms "sjw", "social justice warrior" and "progressive". As somehow I am meant to feel that I am opposed to those things. I like justice. I like progressiveness. I just don't like group think and Marxists. I have finally settled on a new name I'm going to call these types of people.

Mushrooms.

I'm going to call them mushrooms. Because they grow in....well I don't want to say bad words. You know where they grow.
 
"Some believe it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love. Why Bilbo Baggins? Perhaps because I am afraid, and he gives me courage." - Gandalf
 
LordPezix said:
"Some believe it is only great power that can hold evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love. Why Bilbo Baggins? Perhaps because I am afraid, and he gives me courage." - Gandalf
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I don't know much about you yet. Keep quoting "Lord of the Rings" and I'll follow you to the gates of Hades.
 
Isn't complaining about stuff online while at the same time not actually doing anything about it like internet 101 ? Is there really the need for a new name when this is done regarding social issues ?
 
Fbh said:
Isn't complaining about stuff online while at the same time not actually doing anything about it like internet 101 ? Is there really the need for a new name when this is done regarding social issues ?
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That's pretty much where I stand, lol.

They're literally the Paper Tigers of activism.
 
Fbh said:
Isn't complaining about stuff online while at the same time not actually doing anything about it like internet 101 ? Is there really the need for a new name when this is done regarding social issues ?
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What was the old name? I don't know it. I've been thinking about it for over a year!
 
Fbh said:
Isn't complaining about stuff online while at the same time not actually doing anything about it like internet 101 ? Is there really the need for a new name when this is done regarding social issues ?
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(green gate represents the internet)
 
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Fbh said:
Isn't complaining about stuff online while at the same time not actually doing anything about it like internet 101 ? Is there really the need for a new name when this is done regarding social issues ?
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Some folks can chew and walk at the same time.
 
Clickbait has been the norm for going on a good decade now. It's just so damn effective at narrative building and pushing traffic. And people fall for it. You think this person gives two shits? I see little evidence of that. They are already writing apologia for the corporate dominated environment they choose to work at. This is where the corporate entity conflicts with the social ideal, because every bad thing then can be blamed on the entity, rather than the individual who chose to work for that entity to further their goals.
 
5secondrulesucks said:
i like term sjw i think its pretty funny but man people get heated when its used
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You don't feel like it gives them more honor than they deserve? It always makes me feel like I'm wrong to oppose them. In the sixties, it was common for subversive groups to call themselves "Students for freedom" or other such nonsense. If you opposed them, it was like you were opposing freedom. It's like a reverse psychology, or something. It just doesn't sit right with me.
 
Barsinister said:
You don't feel like it gives them more honor than they deserve? It always makes me feel like I'm wrong to oppose them. In the sixties, it was common for subversive groups to call themselves "Students for freedom" or other such nonsense. If you opposed them, it was like you were opposing freedom. It's like a reverse psychology, or something. It just doesn't sit right with me.
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It's to subversive. Mosy people probably don't get it.

Slactkvist is probably the most "accurate" term, but that also has issues.
 
I used mushroom already in another thread and am waiting to see if it goes over.

I wish I could add more than "I don't like the term" to this thread. KevinKeene KevinKeene did a good job of making his point. He has no takers to give him a contrary view.
 
Phoenix RISING said:
Some folks can chew and walk at the same time.
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True, but keyword is some.

Still doesn't dismiss those that are just in
Barsinister said:
You don't feel like it gives them more honor than they deserve? It always makes me feel like I'm wrong to oppose them. In the sixties, it was common for subversive groups to call themselves "Students for freedom" or other such nonsense. If you opposed them, it was like you were opposing freedom. It's like a reverse psychology, or something. It just doesn't sit right with me.
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Oh there's definitely weaponization on words, as you described with the feelings that are invoked with "progressive" and the like when they abuse it.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Oh there's definitely weaponization on words, as you described with the feelings that are invoked with "progressive" and the like when they abuse it.
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Someone with the name of Coliflower, or whatever, saw my post about mushrooms and he got what I meant! He complimented me on it's cleverness. I am glad that this thread exists, it helped me.

I'm gonna weaponize him if the compliment was backhanded, though. He is a mushroom, I suspect.
 
Barsinister said:
Someone with the name of Coliflower, or whatever, saw my post about mushrooms and he got what I meant! He complimented me on it's cleverness. I am glad that this thread exists, it helped me.

I'm gonna weaponize him if the compliment was backhanded, though. He is a mushroom, I suspect.
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I actually complimented Cauliflower of Love Cauliflower of Love in the neogaf ban reinstate thread, while I don't always agree with everything he says, he is actually a trooper and takes criticism in stride and that's something I can admire.

And you don't always have to agree with people to understand where they are coming from. That's the beauty of open discourse, you can find respectful qualities as well as communicate different opinions in a less stressful manner.
 
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Yeah, I know. I am probably going to be banned as an instigator. I had this account ten years and posted less than ten times. I never felt I could add any to what was being said. My dislike of people pushing their ideology like they are better than the rest of us ignoramuses gets to me. And they don't apologize when they're wrong, either.
 
KevinKeene said:
Whether or not you like the term 'sjw', the term once originated from a very specific attitude/behavior found in certain people. The popular definition of 'sjw' is something like 'person who feels the need to show the world how progressive he/she is, without actually accomplishing anything, because they're not really doing anything'. That's where the following blog posting comes in.

Amazon has bad practices towards its employees, that much is known. It should change, yes. Heather Alexandra wants to change that, too. Does she do something?
No.
But she writes a whole lot about how much she's doing. While at the same time admitting she's not really doing anything, because 'it's not practical'. Read for yourself:





https://kotaku.com/why-im-not-streaming-on-twitch-today-1827640034

If in the future anyone ever wonders what a 'sjw' is supposed to be, you can point to this thread. She's writing about how bad amazon is. She'll stop supporting amazon for one day. Then goes back to supporting amazon. Because it's practical. But she told everyone. So she's a good girl. Look at her, admire her. Because that's what a 'sjw' desires. Will amazon treat its employees any better tomorrow? No. Will Kotaku/Heather keep pressuring amazon timely? Probably not. But it made Kotaku/Heather appear progressive. Goal met.


PS: Do not use this as an excuse to harass her on Twitter. It's about the example of a 'sjw', not about any specific person. Thank you.
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She's begging for praise for doing virtually nothing. That's what children do. I say the defining characteristic of the sjw is moral superiority and condemnation. She would have to heap guilt on society for patronizing Amazon, shitting on capitalism in the process. What she's doing is picking up a soda can by the highway and blogging about being an environmentalist.

Needs more finger pointing. Way more finger pointing.
 
Barsinister said:
Yeah, I know. I am probably going to be banned as an instigator. I had this account ten years and posted less than ten times. I never felt I could add any to what was being said. My dislike of people pushing their ideology like they are better than the rest of us ignoramuses gets to me. And they don't apologize when they're wrong, either.
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If everything remains as it is right now, you won't receive a ban. Just as long as you remain tactful in your responses and don't directly result to attacking the person with immaturity, something I have not seen in you yet.

Do you have some backhanded sarcasm but an eloquent way, of course, but I can respect that because I understand it, and I do that sometimes as well. I also can respect when people give that back to me, because it shows that they get it and it's more of a perspective playfulness.
 
I think it is really funny that she did cancel a stream which maybe has 100 viewers . If you do this for a living and you cancel a normal scheduled cast then you will lose subscribers on mass. When these people get invited to e3 they will lose sometimes eben 1000subs. That is quite some money. Streaming as a job seems really exhausting. But yeah that's kotaku alright
 
That is why I like new coined therm "cuck" it fits much much better sort of people usually you would use sjw for.

Because it properly represents sort of mentality you have to have in order to do what those people are doing.

Sjw is just lazy virtue signaler who will talk about grand narratives and doing nothing or just straight up lying to get virtue points. Cuck is active one who will want to be degraded in order to get kick out of what they are doing. They wish to be attacked online to show everyone they are victims just like cuckolds would love their wives to be fucked which anyone normal would see as something anyone should not experience in their lives.
 
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Barsinister said:
I have always hated using the terms "sjw", "social justice warrior" and "progressive". As somehow I am meant to feel that I am opposed to those things. I like justice. I like progressiveness. I just don't like group think and Marxists.
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When it comes to those terms, it's the "w" and the "warrior" that people typically have a problem with. Everyone supports some sort of unwritten social behavioral contract, and has their do's and don'ts. Even stereotypical racists will often push back when their own race is being generalized and hated, hypocrites though they are.

But when people talk about social justice, they're usually referring to social judgement.

We're all judgmental to some degree. That just human nature. It's when judgement is equated with justice that things can fall off the rails. Justice is an important part of society, but social justice can be a poor excuse for justice.

A large part of what our society calls justice depends on finding people to judge someone's actions who are not personally invested in seeing someone punished, and who carefully weigh all sides of a story before they're even allowed to render a verdict. This is frequently the complete opposite of social justice, as explained rather nicely in this clip.



Justine Sacco is a excellent and frequently referenced example of this.

But I'm right there with you in hating "SJW" and "social justice warrior" as terms, and usually avoid them myself. They're unnecessary, needlessly dismissive, and don't attack actual arguments.
 
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KevinKeene said:
Whether or not you like the term 'sjw', the term once originated from a very specific attitude/behavior found in certain people. The popular definition of 'sjw' is something like 'person who feels the need to show the world how progressive he/she is, without actually accomplishing anything, because they're not really doing anything'. That's where the following blog posting comes in.
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That's what I class an SJW as. Someone that only cares about the likes, for that little rush when someone validates their nonsense that they heart on heart don't really believe or care about, but the self delusion is enough to power them through. Twitter is currently a hilarious hot bed un-ironic insanity and reality denying lunatics. It's really quite something, both entertaining and enraging at the same time. The latter when they band together to get someone sacked or their account closed down because of the authoritarianism that they unconsciously adhere to.
 
What SJW means to me and what I strongly dislike about it is the cult like behavior the people who could be termed SJWs exhibit.

And I mean that literally, it's like a cult, like Scientology or something.

The way SJWs all agree with on each other on everything, there's never any calm disagreements or discussions within the group, it's either agree with the hive mind or face harassment, bullying and intimidation until you either submit or you're shunned from the group.

I've seen far too many people I used to like and respect online change radically over the last few years and act and talk in a way they didn't used to, it's like Invasion of The Body Snatchers or something, it's downright creepy and proof of the cult like aspect of this mindset and culture.

Never before did I realize the pure fallibility of human beings than the fact that many of the same people who a decade ago espoused ideas like "question everything" and claimed to be the free thinkers, the rational thinkers, the open minded ones and accuse the other side of being brainwashed fall prey to brainwashing themselves and get so radically ANGRY if you question them on it the same a way deeply Religious person gets outraged over blasphemy, again, it's a cult.

It's like a fucking Twilight Zone twist or something.

And no, I don't think it's just people who are lazy, who espouse beliefs just for a pat on the back, though there is an element of that, but it's deeper and more dangerous than that, many of these people are true believers.
 
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I'm not sure you people understand how much money Twitch streamers lose when they decide not to stream for one day. It's actually a pretty big deal for them, thousands of dollars in some cases. Now, whether we should consider this girl a streamer or not, that's another story. Really depends on where most of her money is coming from, but I doubt it's from Twitch.
 
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I'm not sure you people understand how much money Twitch streamers lose when they decide not to stream for one day. It's actually a pretty big deal for them, thousands of dollars in some cases. Now, whether we should consider this girl a streamer or not, that's another story. Really depends on where most of her money is coming from, but I doubt it's from Twitch.
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Kotaku streams usually have less than 100 vierwers
 
Barsinister said:
You don't feel like it gives them more honor than they deserve?
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I don't, because the "warrior" part is blatant mockery, a bit like "knight" in "white knight".

I hate SJWism personally. It's essentially a cult built around identity politics that's full of unhinged narcissists. Their own ideology seems to make them miserable and angry all the time, and the only cure is a temporary one in the form of social media likes and retweets. The most important thing is that I'm reassured that I'm sufficiently woke! Pour some praise on me today, then I can go back to Twitch streaming tomorrow.....
 
I avoid using amazon as much as possible because amazon.ca is absolute garbage and amazon shipping is region locked for games, which is fucking ridiculous.
 
ILLtown said:
I don't, because the "warrior" part is blatant mockery, a bit like "knight" in "white knight".

I hate SJWism personally. It's essentially a cult built around identity politics that's full of unhinged narcissists. Their own ideology seems to make them miserable and angry all the time, and the only cure is a temporary one in the form of social media likes and retweets. The most important thing is that I'm reassured that I'm sufficiently woke! Pour some praise on me today, then I can go back to Twitch streaming tomorrow.....
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Right here - the suspension of her stream just kills me. You've nailed it. She says this:

On a day when workers are risking their livelihoods, I believe it is important to stand with them, in one of the few visible ways that I can, as a person who doesn't work at a facility herself. Canceling a stream and avoiding Amazon is the bare minimum of what I believe that I owe in solidarity with workers who deserve better

This bolded section is le mot juste. She's a staff writer for Kotaku. Solidarity with workers? You're telling me that you couldn't get on a plane and stand with them? Report on it to spread awareness? That's journalism. That's what actual writers do. I suspect Kotaku might buy your ticket and pay for your hotel to get the story. The might give you the company credit card and let you buy gas and food!

Nah. You didn't stream. One evening. But you made sure that everybody knew about it. It's almost as though you're using this strike to let people that might not know about your stream that there is a stream, since you've taken the time to let us know:

I stream video games on Kotaku's Twitch channel multiple times a week. That can mean playing Monster Hunter: World with readers or sitting down for a full playthrough of Metal Gear Solid.

Ah. I see that you've taken time that should be dedicated to working conditions at Amazon to let us know about the service that you offer. Wow! A full playthrough of Metal Gear Solid! With commentary? And you're playing Monster Hunter with readers? Sign me up and take my bits!

See, SJW I can respect. There's at least some conviction in that. This? This is marketing your own stupid shit at the expense of a story that deserves attention. You're a grief hawk. And not a very subtle one.
 
The first thing that comes to my mind when someone says SJW is a a person who will throw there toys outta the pram for the slightest of disagreements , who believe wholeheartedly their opinions are 100% correct and anyone who challenges there thoughts are automatically the devil incarnate . the kind of person who's so intellectually immature , that if they generally have any kind of traumatic experience they will wilt like wet toilet paper.
 
It's Jeff said:
She's begging for praise for doing virtually nothing. That's what children do. I say the defining characteristic of the sjw is moral superiority and condemnation. She would have to heap guilt on society for patronizing Amazon, shitting on capitalism in the process. What she's doing is picking up a soda can by the highway and blogging about being an environmentalist.

Needs more finger pointing. Way more finger pointing.
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You are so wrong. She did something very noble and brave. She took the day off from work. How can you say taking a day off from work is nothing???? Do you know how many people hate taking a day off from work? Pretty much everyone on the planet hates days off. This is well known. Stop arguing in bad faith.
 
To me a "sjw" is someone who only pretends to be good or to have good intentions but deep down has some authoritarian or even fascist ideas about how society should work. Definitely shouldn't be used to describe everyone who fights for social justice. And not everyone who is virtue signaling is a "sjw", tho there seems to be an overlap.
 
NickFire said:
You are so wrong. She did something very noble and brave. She took the day off from work. How can you say taking a day off from work is nothing???? Do you know how many people hate taking a day off from work? Pretty much everyone on the planet hates days off. This is well known. Stop arguing in bad faith.
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Damn it. I've been exposed.

You know where to find the report button.
 
I almost wonder what percentage of the SJW crowd have parents were part of the moralizing 90's christian right crowd. The tactics both sides use are very similar.

SJWs are neither progressive nor do they seek justice.
 
Yup on resetera there is a thread on Amazon prime deals and one on boycotting Amazon.

Lots of people are mad and hate nationalism and racist polices but they still buying Japanese videogames.

If anyone gave a fuck they would be trying to make sure children are not dying rather than real issues like is female a derogatory term or can I wear x item of clothing.
 
In her line of work she's not able to avoid twitch? Does she know you tube gaming exists, or heck even mixer. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to get their less than 100 viewers to transfer over. She's basically complaining because she wants to hurt amazon but put no work in to do it. Shouldn't the readers step up and do it for her.
 
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