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Worth reposting:

Oh please...

She killed the Tarly's even though they refused to bend the knee and betrayed the Tyrells.

She killed her enemies by burning them alive, because she has dragons. Of course she is going to use them against her enemies. Her house motto is literally Fire and Blood.

This Reddit post says everything:

 

[Barnabot]

Just like to point out a few things here from my stand point:

1: Your first sentence comes off like "They killed my favourite character so I hate it". It's game of Thrones. You should be used to this by now.

2: They're just the Golden Company, Cersei didn't even care about her troops but I'd guess she'd still put them on a higher pecking order than the golden company so why not put them outside first? Plus the idea was to keep all the "innocent " people inside the town, she felt like Danny wouldn't attack if she know plenty of innocent people were there. She was wrong.

3: besides the fact he finds her hot she saved his life multiple times. He certainly has a bit of loyalty towards her.

4: not every single plan in the show has to succeed. They had a plan and it failed. It created a much more unpredictable show. Nobody can call what's going to happen in this show and I think it's a good idea to throw in a few potential outcomes to keep people guessing.

5: Her plot armor? Look I've heard this before and I think everyone is reading the same reviews and saying the same stuff because it's a REALLY weird thing to point out when criticising a 90 minute episode. I'd assume her clothing choice is a visual trick used for filming purposes to make her look better when she's flying. This trick goes back to Lois Lane's dress is the flying scenes in Superman. Heavy Armour wouldn't look the best in a TV show. Every little helps here they don't have a blockbuster film budget either.

1: My fav is/was The Imp. If the writters kill him for good next then I might as well stop watching the show even if there's a couple of episodes left. But I reckon the Varys survived so long because he was smart and he had whispers working for him. He could prevent himself to get killed by Danny. But I guess his plans were never godsproof ... I mean .... writtersproof.

2: You are rationalizing the writers stupidity. I can't go there.

3: He also had Ned's parenting in hist entire life. I expected a little bit of more self-awareness of his own action when he insistently was backing her up even though his whole home was againsta his decision.

4: You are trying to reason the writer's decision. Arya's entire plot was built on revenge by killing everyone who was in that list she made. including Cersei.

5: I don't know what are you talking about here but I am pretty sure saying that:

And Danny. Ah Danny. She wore her plot armour (also her dragon) and manage to destroy all the scorpions without getting a single hit.

if you have watched both ep. 4 and 5. Then you should know how she survived from Euron's fleet at the first time.

 

[mcjmetroid]

1: My fav is/was The Imp. If the writters kill him for good next then I might as well stop watching the show even if there's a couple of episodes left. But I reckon the Varys survived so long because he was smart and he had whispers working for him. He could prevent himself to get killed by Danny. But I guess his plans were never godsproof ... I mean .... writtersproof.

2: You are rationalizing the writers stupidity. I can't go there.

3: He also had Ned's parenting in hist entire life. I expected a little bit of more self-awareness of his own action when he insistently was backing her up even though his whole home was againsta his decision.

4: You are trying to reason the writer's decision. Arya's entire plot was built on revenge by killing everyone who was in that list she made. including Cersei.

5: I don't know what are you talking about here but I am pretty sure saying that:


if you have watched both ep. 4 and 5. Then you should know how she survived from Euron's fleet at the first time.

So if I'm trying to defend it I'm rationising stupidity?

Come on now this show is fairly complex we're going to have different outlooks on it but back to your points.

1: This is coming off like " I hate the show because they killed my favourite character and won't watch if they kill one of my other favourite characters.

2: Why though? She hired them to fight for her and I don't see why they shouldn't be the first in line. It's not completely ridiculous. I mean they could have been up there beside the scorpians I suppose but then the dragon would probably fire on them.
I don't see too much wrong with this.

3: yaaaa that's true but I don't think Jon saw her doing anything really questionable until she burnt Varys. The ship had sailed at that point though. Should he have spoken up? probably but Jon is fucked up as well from learning about his past. He's a character in turmoil. I think it's understandable that he'd be a little "different" from the previous series.

4: I it I agree but I guess they put a bow on that one with the ocnversation with the Hound where he basically told her to live her life and don't turn out like him. I agree it's not the best but let's see where they go in the next episode.

5: I thought you were giving out that she wasn't wearing more armour? I must have misread that one but on Danny defeating all the scorpions.
You might call me a bullshitter here but she DOES have more experience riding the dragons having had plenty of battles since the last time and also she's super pissed off and isn't holding back. She's blasting everything this time. That's literally the only explaination I have for that.
For TVs purposes though it was a means to an end, she needed to destoy everything. Maybe they could have had a scene where she was training to avoid those arrows and that might have helped?

 

[_Starscream_]

Y'all know it's coming:

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

CBG shares her thoughts

Basically says she's down with Mad Queen but wishes it had been a slower burn to the heel hurn and compares it to how Dark Pheonix was handled in the comics.

 

[Barnabot]

So if I'm trying to defend it I'm rationising stupidity?

Come on now this show is fairly complex we're going to have different outlooks on it but back to your points.

1: This is coming off like " I hate the show because they killed my favourite character and won't watch if they kill one of my other favourite characters.

2: Why though? She hired them to fight for her and I don't see why they shouldn't be the first in line. It's not completely ridiculous. I mean they could have been up there beside the scorpians I suppose but then the dragon would probably fire on them.
I don't see too much wrong with this.

3: yaaaa that's true but I don't think Jon saw her doing anything really questionable until she burnt Varys. The ship had sailed at that point though. Should he have spoken up? probably but Jon is fucked up as well from learning about his past. He's a character in turmoil. I think it's understandable that he'd be a little "different" from the previous series.

4: I it I agree but I guess they put a bow on that one with the ocnversation with the Hound where he basically told her to live her life and don't turn out like him. I agree it's not the best but let's see where they go in the next episode.

5: I thought you were giving out that she wasn't wearing more armour? I must have misread that one but on Danny defeating all the scorpions.
You might call me a bullshitter here but she DOES have more experience riding the dragons having had plenty of battles since the last time and also she's super pissed off and isn't holding back. She's blasting everything this time. That's literally the only explaination I have for that.
For TVs purposes though it was a means to an end, she needed to destoy everything. Maybe they could have had a scene where she was training to avoid those arrows and that might have helped?

1: I never said I hated the show. This is something you're just trying to sell. And I never said Varys was may favorite. Just someone I recognised as one of the smartest chars alive back then. I'm just intrigued to watch it to see how far Tyrion can go. It's the most interesting char I've found in this show so far. And currently it's the only one left for me since the other storylines ended in a so unsatisfactory way.

2: You are rationalizing the writers stupidity. I can't go there. Cersei had advisors to help her. At least to tip how to defend herself and win battles. And she likes to win.

4: She killed the freaking NIght King when no one managed to touch him yet. Out of nowhere. Everyone was dying on ep.3 until we learned of half of every person from Winterfell was still alive somehow (bad writing). Cersei is supposed to be a walk in the park for Arya. (badwritinception)

5: The Euron's fleet almost bullseyed one of her dragons in the last episode but somehow they couldn't aim right at Danny even though she was diving directly into them because of some "bad guys suddenly can't aim right" trope. And in ep4 she couldn't see anything in front of her (Euron' fleet) until they killed one of her dragons. In the next episode she just became an expert by doing that exact same thing what she did in the past which lead to her failure except now she succeed flawlessly. (bad writing)

 

[Javthusiast]

Obviously Danny turning Mad Queen wasn't the problem, but how it was done was, shitty and abrupt.

Here is just one small change that could have already made it a lot better.

Imagine that after the bells ring, it is Grey Worm who attacks the weaponless Lannister's in sheer rage and the unsullied and Dothraki start their rampage against women and children. Jon seeing this madness gives his Northern men the order to protect the innocent and thus go against Danny's soldiers.

She sits on the walls hearing the bells thinks it's over and now only has Cersei in the Tower on her mind, but then she sees Jon and his people attack hers and she take it as the ultimate final betrayal of Jon and that is the last straw to make her go crazy.

I still would like more buildup, but this would have been much better than what we got.

 

[Geki-D]

"I don't want another child's bones dropped at my feet."

*Burns fucking everyone*

 

[Achelexus]

So was Dany hearing voices in her head too? Was she hallucinating the equivalent of thinking that burning King's Landing in wildfire will rebirth her as a dragon?

She hears voices and has visions since she got the dragons. Read the books and you'll see. The show just can't convey character introspective.

 

[Rentahamster]

She hears voices and has visions since she got the dragons. Read the books and you'll see. The show just can't convey character introspective.

I know what's in the book. That's the point I was making. See my post earlier referencing the Reddit thread about that.

 

[Fbh]

Obviously Danny turning Mad Queen wasn't the problem, but how it was done was, shitty and abrupt.

Here is just one small change that could have already made it a lot better.

Imagine that after the bells ring, it is Grey Worm who attacks the weaponless Lannister's in sheer rage and the unsullied and Dothraki start their rampage against women and children. Jon seeing this madness gives his Northern men the order to protect the innocent and thus go against Danny's soldiers.

She sits on the walls hearing the bells thinks it's over and now only has Cersei in the Tower on her mind, but then she sees Jon and his people attack hers and she take it as the ultimate final betrayal of Jon and that is the last straw to make her go crazy.

I still would like more buildup, but this would have been much better than what we got.

Or in her rage she could have just simply attacked the Castle where Cersei was at and killed a bunch of innocent people in doing so. She could have also gone after the remaining soldiers burning down houses and innocent bystanders as collateral damage.
It would have been in line with the way they have been building the character and would have resulted in people hating her and her allies questioning her sanity.

But her taking the time to slowly go over the city, targeting civilians and burning women and children alive makes no sense

 

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Alternate soundtrack for Dany's rage

 

[JimiNutz]

It's pretty sad to see that The Mountain is actually a way more superior undead that anything the NK could muster and he's even more impressive than even the White Walkers themselves. He would have let Arya stab him 20 times in the chest then crushed her air pipe. It's baffling Qyburn didn't make any more of these uber soldiers and even more so that Cersei didn't ask for an army of them seeing how effective The Mountain was. I know I'd have asked for an army.

I had the exact same thought but do we ever find out how the Mountain was made? I remember it took a long time?

Or in her rage she could have just simply attacked the Castle where Cersei was at and killed a bunch of innocent people in doing so. She could have also gone after the remaining soldiers burning down houses and innocent bystanders as collateral damage.
It would have been in line with the way they have been building the character and would have resulted in people hating her and her allies questioning her sanity.

But her taking the time to slowly go over the city, targeting civilians and burning women and children alive makes no sense

I agree that her targeting civilians doesn't really make much sense.

If you watch the episode again you can see that she sits on the wall with Drogon, hears the bells ringing, starts freaking out/raging, then she flies towards Cersi. When she first starts flying to Cersi you can see that she passes many innocent people and doesn't burn any of them. The first people she burns on her fire run are actually Lannister soldiers but by this point there are civilians in the way that also get caught in the fire. I dunno what happens in her head after this but she then starts systematically burning everyone. It's like she get some kind of bloodlust once the first few innocents get killed?

I like to think that what we are dealing with here is an emotionally unstable woman (the show certainly sets that up at the very least) who essentially has a mental breakdown. It may seem completely out of character but she's having a mental breakdown which can lead to unexpected behaviour and extreme outbursts.

It's certainly a bit of a stretch and not handled very well in the show.

 

[Rentahamster]

1: It's game of Thrones. You should be used to this by now. Anyone can die do you just not like the way he died?

That's not the point. The way it was written was handled badly. It's great if characters die as a logical result of their actions or others' actions, which are enacted because of a thought process that is consistent with a character's personality or the established logic of the universe (i.e. Ned dying, Red Wedding, Oberyn dying, etc). Varys, who as a character is supposed to be smart in his schemes, is written much more simply as the seasons progress, to where he is a shadow of his former self.

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It's easy to do things that are shocking or unexpected, but they have to grow out of characters. They have to grow out of situations. Otherwise, it's just being shocking for being shocking.

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5: Her plot armor? Look I've heard this before and I think everyone is reading the same reviews and saying the same stuff because it's a REALLY weird thing to point out when criticising a 90 minute episode. I'd assume her clothing choice is a visual trick used for filming purposes to make her look better when she's flying. This trick goes back to Lois Lane's dress is the flying scenes in Superman. Heavy Armour wouldn't look the best in a TV show. Every little helps here they don't have a blockbuster film budget either.

You don't understand what "plot armor" is. It's the name of a cliche, a trope. It's not her physical attire.

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[Jon Neu]

Or in her rage she could have just simply attacked the Castle where Cersei was at and killed a bunch of innocent people in doing so. She could have also gone after the remaining soldiers burning down houses and innocent bystanders as collateral damage.
It would have been in line with the way they have been building the character and would have resulted in people hating her and her allies questioning her sanity.

But her taking the time to slowly go over the city, targeting civilians and burning women and children alive makes no sense

Do you remember her father, the mad king? Remember her brother, Viserys? Do you remember Stannis God complex and thirst of power/the throne? Do you remember how that ended?

Do you remember Dany screaming in rage about how she was going to burn cities to the ground? How her enemies wronged her and soon they will pay the price? Remember how she has realized that people in westeros didn't like her, and how that people were trying to poison her and overthrow her claim to the throne? How that people killed her dragon and her best friend? How that people didn't rebel against their false queen to go crying in joy at the sight of the mother of dragons, the unburnt, the breaker of chains? How the people of Westeros basically wronged her and her family? And last but not least: do you even remember that the Targaryens were famous for going mad?

If you paid attention, it makes total sense. She was not a liberator, despite trying to act like one because of her Messiah/God complex; she has always been a tyrannt that can't stand when things or people don't go her way.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

For as much as I seem to have complained about the episode, I have to admit that I have watched it 4x already, can't say the same for any other episode this season (yet). Visually it is a very impressive episode

I'm just telling myself "don't die for another 4 days." Gotta see how this all ends.

 

[EviLore]

So have you changed sides and now think the show is ending well?

I'm a pain in the ass book reader, that's my side more than anything else. ;b

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Some of the comment sections around YouTube discussions and reddit threads are straight vitriol. It almost pains me that some people literally can't even tolerate a different point of view about a TV show.

Like, honestly, whatever happened to tolerance? You can think someone is dumb as fuck and completely disagree with them while still tolerating their perspective in subjective matters.

Some of the rhetoric I see being used around the web (not here) mimics what I see in random political flame wars around the web (not here) and it just seems inappropriate. It's a TV show. People are allowed to have different opinions.

The discussion in this thread has a welcome civility that I appreciate.

 

[Rentahamster]

I'm just telling myself "don't die for another 4 days."

 

[Tesseract]

a good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good

hard truths cut both ways, dany stans

 

[strange headache]

Alternate soundtrack for Dany's rage

If anything, the memes and mashups coming out of this episode are...

 

[Tesseract]

i hope grrm is drinking coca cola in his dungeon, clicky-clacking his keyboard like a raptor, laughing maniacally at jets tapes

 

[Kadayi]

What the cunt with the reddit links? Argue your case on your own terms ppl. This is ultimately a discussion forum. What scope is there to disagree with some random ying-yang from r/pissedoffatGOTD&DaretheworstitwillbedifferentinthebooksGRRMistheonetrueking#DanyYessQueentruerulerofwesteros!!! diatribe? If firstly there's no scope to break it down, and secondly they're not going to defend it...

People who have read the leaks could refrain from inserting them here?

You are not fooling anyone by pretending that the very precise things you are hinting are coming from nowhere.

^This

 

[strange headache]

So have you changed sides and now think the show is ending well?

Do we really need to "take sides"? Like, is it either seething contempt or overbearing praise? The internet truly knows no middle-ground anymore, it's all just hyperbole. It's fine to be invested in a good show, but in the end it's just a piece of entertainment and I don't think we should begrudge others for enjoying or disliking something.

This is not personally directed at you, but the zealotry and fanaticism that is being generated around this show is just frikkin' insane. If anything, the past few episodes have lead to some really good discussion on here, with lots of different perspectives which is testament to the rich narrative backdrop of the show. In the end, no matter how GoT would have ended, you just can't please everybody. As for me, my criticism is relative to the high bar set by the show, and even if they somehow bungled the final season, I would still recommend it because it's a whole lot better than a vast majority of other crappy entertainment out there.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

In that recent Jeremy Jahns video (Dany = Anakin video) he says "foreshadowing isn't character development."

I tend to agree. I think 10 Episodes would have gone a long way to build the hard turn.

Grand Randolph adds, "you can't just throw out years of character development and call it a twist. Twists are organic."

 

[Kadayi]

Do we really need to "take sides"? Like, is it either seething contempt or overbearing praise? The internet truly knows no middle-ground anymore, it's all just hyperbole. It's fine to be invested in a good show, but in the end it's just a piece of entertainment and I don't think we should begrudge others for enjoying or disliking something.

This is not personally directed at you, but the zealotry and fanaticism that is being generated around this show is just frikkin' insane. If anything, the past few episodes have lead to some really good discussion on here, with lots of different perspectives which is testament to the rich narrative backdrop of the show. In the end, no matter how GoT would have ended, you just can't please everybody. As for me, my criticism is relative to the high bar set by the show, and even if they somehow bungled the final season, I would still recommend it because it's a whole lot better than a vast majority of other crappy entertainment out there.

^on point. Personally looking at how things have proceeded I'd have preferred if the events of Season 7 & 8 had been extended by another short season (I don't think given yearly budgets and shooting schedules it would have been financially viable to have done 2 10 episode seasons and afford the big battle sequences we have had given they have far eclipsed previous seasons). However, I'm able to look past the contrivances of fast travel and just enjoy how things are playing out.,

Ultimately the ending regardless of the result is going to be divisive because whether you're #teamdany #teamsansa or #teamjon not everyone is going to see their hopes and fears realised. This is the nature of storytelling, where you have differing protagonists competing for a prize.

In that recent Jeremy Jahns video (Dany = Anakin video) he says "foreshadowing isn't character development."

I tend to agree. I think 10 Episodes would have gone a long way to build the hard turn.

Grand Randolph adds, "you can't just throw out years of character development and call it a twist. Twists are organic."

Dude, you put far too much faith in these geek youtube pundits. They cover so much stuff across the board it's foolish to assume that they are that au fait with the material as one might imagine compared to others, and they're prone to reflect whatever the Twitterverse tells them. There's been plenty of indications over the seasons that Dany could flip, especially early on and it has really only been as a result of having people like Barristan & Jorah around that has kept her impulses in check.

 

[Silent Duck]

Not sure if Arya has plot armor... or if she used the Konami code for 30 lives at the start of the season.

 

[Jon Neu]

In that recent Jeremy Jahns video (Dany = Anakin video) he says "foreshadowing isn't character development."

Foreshadowing the highly unestable nature of Dany is indeed character development.

Grand Randolph adds, "you can't just throw out years of character development and call it a twist. Twists are organic."

There hasn't been any character development throwed out, this is precisely what her character development ends up to.

Ironically, if it wasn't for this twist, she wouldn't have any character development at all, she would be the same person she was in the first seasons. This is what her character development leads up to. This is Dany's true form.

 

[Barnabot]

Danny is just becoming a super millennial ahead of her time. Just acting like an entitled crazy kid while putting the blame on others for everything which goes south to her.

 

[Kadayi]

Danny is just becoming a super millennial ahead of her time. Just acting like an entitled crazy kid while putting the blame on others for everything which goes south to her.

Indeed. She so locked into this idea of her manifest destiny, that when an actual spanner is thrown into the works, namely finding out that Jon Snow effectively precedes her, that she is looking for ways to circumvent matters. I think now she knows that an ongoing relationship is probably off the cards then I have to say I fear for his life if he stays in Kings Landing. The smart move to quell any rebellion would be to remove him from the chess board.

 

[Barnabot]

Indeed. She so locked into this idea of her manifest destiny, that when an actual spanner is thrown into the works, namely finding out that Jon Snow effectively precedes her, that she is looking for ways to circumvent matters. I think now she knows that an ongoing relationship is probably off the cards then I have to say I fear for his life if he stays in Kings Landing. The smart move to quell any rebellion would be to remove him from the chess board.

Better Jon be prepared when she turns to him and starts saying "I'm Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Protector of the Realm, Lady Regent of the Seven Kingdoms, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons".

He'll have some time to defend himself as she speaks but he better be aiming to her head next if he wanna survive .

 

[Geki-D]

I had the exact same thought but do we ever find out how the Mountain was made? I remember it took a long time?

It took time but he had quite a lot of time between the moment he rez'ed The Mountain and the moment Danny showed up at the gates. Qyburn wasn't really up to much besides standing around behind Cersei as she stared off into the distance.

 

[Jon Neu]

That moment when you realize Dan Weiss is a better guitar player than writer.

 

[Kenpachii]

K so i was thinking about what's up for the last episode.

Arya is clearly going for her i think, when i watched some episodes back i started to see her standing on the side line pretty much in the same way as her dad was getting executed.

Does this mean that what she really is looked at is not the crowning of dany at that palace but a execution of john snow? She clearly isn't going to let him walk away and he high likely isn't going to support her. She also doesn't have much issue's with family members getting killed as we saw already earlier on.

I could see dany also capturing or slaying his whole army as result.

It could be the next episode where dany is going after the snows and everybody that betrayed her to get her on it and focuses on sansa.

Or could it be that john snow is actually going to drop the sword and move to the wall back to his dog and the red ginger which also stated earlier episode something about him returning there. much like a frodo ending that he basically goes mentally insane.

Then when dany is death by arya will gendre guy or whatever he's called arya lover that now isn't a bastard anymore be the new ruler of kings landing.

I could see them also dropping the king bullshit entirely and go for a modern day democratic solution.

Isn't her interest winning the battle? It might make slightly more sense if she levels the city as a result of doing whatever it takes to kill Cersei and make her army submit, but in episode 5 she has already won, and completed her objective. Yet she still goes nutso. Very badly written turn, IMO.

It would be badly written if she didn't sack the whole city after everything they pushed out.

 

[Kadayi]

Better Jon be prepared when she turns to him and starts saying "I'm Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, The Unburnt, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Protector of the Realm, Lady Regent of the Seven Kingdoms, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons".

He'll have some time to defend himself as she speaks but he better be aiming to her head next if he wanna survive .

I have a feeling Drogon wouldn't attack him/burn him as he can smell that Targ blood. That look he gave them when after they went riding was kind of knowing and I don't think they put that shot in there for no reason.

Going back an episode I did find it odd when Tyrion was speaking to Bran and Bran made this weird look behind himself as if someone was there. Very odd camera shot.

 

[Pumpkin Seeds]

Danny's arc:

I saw it coming. It was a natural outcome of her righteousness. I do agree with those that felt it wasn't paced out well. It did need a bit more time. There's two differences between her brutal acts outside of Westeros and those within Westeros.

1. The southern land is more brutal itself. Nomadic warrior tribes, slavery and eunich armies. Her brutality was within the tone of the lands she was in. Westeros is about scheming, betrayal and politics.

2. She didn't murdersweep any innocents until King's Landing. Those she burned in Westeros chose that outcome as acts of defiance or by being in an active war with her.

So Danny's Trogdor act on King's Landing felt like the outcome of a powerful ruler who realized she didn't belong in Westeros, so she's trashing the place. We get some hints of this when she's up north, but that's laid out as a barrier between her and Jon when really it's a barrier between her and her Iron Throne goal. She doesn't like Westeros and Westeros doesn't like her. That narrative needed more time to play out.

Instead, it's like:

Danny: Fuck yall citizens in this fancy ass castle house who hate me
King's Landing Citizens: I don't even know you bitch!
Dragon: BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN

 

[Jon Neu]

I have a feeling Drogon wouldn't attack him/burn him as he can smell that Targ blood. That look he gave them when after they went riding was kind of knowing and I don't think they put that shot in there for no reason.

Going back an episode I did find it odd when Tyrion was speaking to Bran and Bran made this weird look behind himself as if someone was there. Very odd camera shot.

Bran has been doing some weird subtle shit at the beginning of this season.

But right now with just one episode left I don't think his arc is going to pay off in any significant way (yeah, I know what the leaks say about him, and if they are true, that is trash).

Watching the series back, his arc/built up is going to be painfully unwatchable, knowing that everything amounts to him just being bait under a tree for his silly sister to be the MVP.

 

[Kadayi]

Bran has been doing some weird subtle shit at the beginning of this season

I've not read the leaks so I've no idea what's in store, however, I suspect we will get some Winterfell action of some sort if nothing more than Dany turning up to burn it to the ground to learn Sansa. So I'm expecting some more Bran.

 

[ruvikx]

Obviously Danny turning Mad Queen wasn't the problem, but how it was done was, shitty and abrupt.

Here is just one small change that could have already made it a lot better.

Imagine that after the bells ring, it is Grey Worm who attacks the weaponless Lannister's in sheer rage and the unsullied and Dothraki start their rampage against women and children. Jon seeing this madness gives his Northern men the order to protect the innocent and thus go against Danny's soldiers.

She sits on the walls hearing the bells thinks it's over and now only has Cersei in the Tower on her mind, but then she sees Jon and his people attack hers and she take it as the ultimate final betrayal of Jon and that is the last straw to make her go crazy.

I still would like more buildup, but this would have been much better than what we got.

That is absolutely contrary to what the writers (of the book & TV show) have built up for years. You're simply creating an alternate fanfiction which makes Daenerys less of a villain (& makes her actions the result of Grey Worm's behaviour instead of her own psychotic bloodlust). She was basically a villain from the moment she declared the Iron Throne was hers by right & she'd take it with fire & blood if necessary, way back right at the beginning. Your "buildup" is not a buildup, it's a different story with a different character. I've seen lots of similar "here's a more believable buildup!" fanfictions all over the Internet since Sunday which all pretty much follow the same pattern: "make Dany a better person = better writing".

The whole point about her actions on Sunday was to finally unmask the Targaryen genocidal power hungry maniac hiding beneath all the veneer of respectability & expose her for what she always was: a wannabe tyrant riding a nuclear bomb who'd use terror to subjugate Westeros if that's what it took (as she once promised many moons ago). She decided to torch Kings Landing because she believed the city belonged to her & her Targaryen lineage, likewise she wanted to punish everyone for years of evading Targaryen rule. There's no redeeming factor here, no need for extra buildup or whatever, she simply acted upon her instincts & committed genocide.

 

[MetalAlien]

Do we really need to "take sides"? Like, is it either seething contempt or overbearing praise? The internet truly knows no middle-ground anymore, it's all just hyperbole. It's fine to be invested in a good show, but in the end it's just a piece of entertainment and I don't think we should begrudge others for enjoying or disliking something.

This is not personally directed at you, but the zealotry and fanaticism that is being generated around this show is just frikkin' insane. If anything, the past few episodes have lead to some really good discussion on here, with lots of different perspectives which is testament to the rich narrative backdrop of the show. In the end, no matter how GoT would have ended, you just can't please everybody. As for me, my criticism is relative to the high bar set by the show, and even if they somehow bungled the final season, I would still recommend it because it's a whole lot better than a vast majority of other crappy entertainment out there.

Generally movies will be either thumbs up or thumbs down.... drama queen much?

 

[Kadayi]

Generally movies will be either thumbs up or thumbs down.... drama queen much?

Tell me of this binary decisions homeworld of yours Usul?

 

[Jon Neu]

The last one is absolutely savage.

Oh boy, we are going to suffer.

 

[MetalAlien]

Tell me of this binary decisions homeworld of yours Usul?

This is part of the weirding way that I will teach you.

 

[interactivemonodrama]

In that recent Jeremy Jahns video (Dany = Anakin video) he says "foreshadowing isn't character development."

 

[Kadayi]

Oh boy, we are going to suffer.

Depends on who we are is in the equation. I hadn't been into work until today because of a head cold. I assumed given the overall furore that when I mentioned GOT everyone in the team would be

In truth out of about 20 people only one guy was pissed off and that was because he was still annoyed that Arya killed the night king versus jon Snow (deal with it). No one was raging about character turns etc. Everyone else was more interested in what happens next. The rage of the internet isn't a universal currency.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Bran has been doing some weird subtle shit at the beginning of this season.

But right now with just one episode left I don't think his arc is going to pay off in any significant way (yeah, I know what the leaks say about him, and if they are true, that is trash).

Watching the series back, his arc/built up is going to be painfully unwatchable, knowing that everything amounts to him just being bait under a tree for his silly sister to be the MVP.

I didn't even know there were leaks, but he's the only character left that they've given lots of time and powers to over years for him to do nothing.

He's just sitting there knowing everything and can warg into a dragon.

 

[Rentahamster]

2: They're just the Golden Company, Cersei didn't even care about her troops but I'd guess she'd still put them on a higher pecking order than the golden company so why not put them outside first? Plus the idea was to keep all the "innocent " people inside the town, she felt like Danny wouldn't attack if she know plenty of innocent people were there. She was wrong.

Putting your troops outside the castle when you have more space in the castle is stupid. They are a lot more effective when fighting within the protection of a castle. I mean, why even have a castle if it's not going to provide a defensive advantage to your troops?

 

[mcjmetroid]

Putting your troops outside the castle when you have more space in the castle is stupid. They are a lot more effective when fighting within the protection of a castle. I mean, why even have a castle if it's not going to provide a defensive advantage to your troops?

I suppose. I dunno anymore.

I guess it was just done to look good on TV.

 

[Rentahamster]

I guess it was just done to look good on TV.

Basically. Now you know what their priorities are. It's certainly not consistency and logic within the established lore.

 

[Rentahamster]

This is a well done video laying out the case for Dany's turn being badly written. The point isn't that it wasn't hinted that this could be a possible outcome. The point is that the writing to get from point A to point B was rushed, contrived, and executed terribly.