Kotaku posts article with rendered CP
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Tako Ou
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Not sure that's the hill I want to die on... but well...
To compare fairly you should state on one side "enjoying in the real world the depiction of killing imaginary characters/monsters" and on the other "jerking off in the real world to images of animated fictional children".
I personally have no issue with people enjoying fictional pedo shit (as in not produced by molesting actual children) and have big issues with people molesting children.
As I have no issue with people enjoying fictional murder/slaughter (as in not produced by killing actual people) and have big issues with people killing people.
You are putting "sick fucks" that hurt people in the same bag as "sick fucks" that don't.
And that's your right, but I don't consider this a rational stance.
To be clear, I don't consider the only rational stance to be "it's ok to enjoy fictional pedo content", I just expect some graduation when applying rational thinking to it.
For context : I generally don't like children and I don't have any. Might be missing some empathy here.
But then I generally don't like people either.
Not as strong a comparison as it sounds.
To compare fairly you should state on one side "enjoying in the real world the depiction of killing imaginary characters/monsters" and on the other "jerking off in the real world to images of animated fictional children".
I personally have no issue with people enjoying fictional pedo shit (as in not produced by molesting actual children) and have big issues with people molesting children.
As I have no issue with people enjoying fictional murder/slaughter (as in not produced by killing actual people) and have big issues with people killing people.
You are putting "sick fucks" that hurt people in the same bag as "sick fucks" that don't.
And that's your right, but I don't consider this a rational stance.
To be clear, I don't consider the only rational stance to be "it's ok to enjoy fictional pedo content", I just expect some graduation when applying rational thinking to it.
For context : I generally don't like children and I don't have any. Might be missing some empathy here.
But then I generally don't like people either.
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Bootyful
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Lol it's similar situation to this https://ca.ign.com/articles/2019/09/24/warner-bros-responds-to-aurora-familiesa-letter-over-joker-movie-fearsi ain't clickin that
Fuz
Banned
Bastard.
Weilthain
Banned
I see your train of thought but disagree completely.
Using weasel powers, you can make things sound the same to the weak minded, but they aren't the same.
Battlechili
Banned
You make the mistake of assuming people see the characters presented as they would an actual child.
No one looks at Misty from Pokemon and thinks "woohoo, an underage girl, shes hot".
They see a character. An idea. Something more alien and distinct from reality as a result of the dissonance created between fiction and reality as a result of it being a cartoon and as a result of it having traits not in the real world (textureless skin, anime eyes and hair, etc). This dissonance is partially why I think some people have trouble taking cartoons seriously. They have trouble seeing it as something relating to things in reality.
You're using the concept of pedophilia to describe something completely different, and in turn weakening the term and potentially endangering completely innocent people by applying a label that doesnt actually describe what they're attracted to.
Hentai artists of the hottest new anime characters or SFM porn creators pulling models from games arent attracted to kids, and saying they are is damaging and abhorrent.
If you dont get it, just consider them weirdos and leave it at that.
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Tako Ou
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Just as when someone try to make "people enjoying porn with underage fictionnal characters" sounds the same as "raping children in real life" ?
I didn't start the comparison, I reacted to it, because it was particulary biased.
I am just wishing for graduation from reasonable minds.
Might be dangerous if "weak minded" people start thinking "hey I already watched porn with fictionnal underage characters that made me a full-fledge pedophile to society, why not then go all the way and actually rape children ?".
And I am not saying that people watching porn with fictionnal underage characters are necessarily suppresed pedophiles, just a worst case scenario.
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Weilthain
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This morning for example, I got my kid up out of bed, fed and dressed him, then dropped him off at school. Then I played a game where I maybe killed some noobs or whatever.
Someone else woke up and started drawing kids in a sexual way and shared them on the internet for other losers.
A weasely weasel will try to convince you that me playing a video game where I killed someone, is the same as drawing child pornography and sharing it online or whatever.
It just isn't true, despite whatever word games are played, or whatever weasel logic is presented. It's not the same and only the weak minded will buy that horse shit.
dorkimoe
Gold Member
Resetera mods will buy them. Resetaku
Battlechili
Banned
That's the thing
People looking at Misty for example are attracted to a being with traits that have no real world equivalent. They are attracted to a 2D being with textureless skin, anime eyes, anime hair, possibly going so far as liking the idea of them being a powerful person who trains fictitious cartoon monsters, etc
This doesnt equate to someone being attracted to people who's age Misty is supposed to have.
Its embarrassing to say, but there are many people who outright prefer getting off to cartoons rather than real people because of their fantastical features. This isnt entirely dissimilar to why people into furries are into them.
And I hate to be TMI, but as a personal example, I find hard vore in fiction attractive. Which is basically characters murdering and mutilating and eating others. And yet? I dont want to see people suffer. The idea of an irl equivalent to that is disgusting. So why the interest in it in fiction? Because it's not something when viewing that I see in the same way I would irl. I'm not seeing anyone really suffering. I'm not seeing any real blood or real gore and that's comforting because the real human traits have a graphicness that I'm not interested in. I want cartoon characters with weird hair and weird faces and all that other good stuff in my lewds.
People arent seeing something in the same way they would look at you or me irl when they're looking at cartoon characters. They're seeing something much more alien.
I will say though the HP stuff is kinda sus
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Tesseract
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misty is such a powerful girl and oh boy i totally jerk off to characters murdering and mutilating each other but i'm such a nice guy
i absolutely don't keep children in my dungeon, i promise
go fuck yourself
Battlechili
i absolutely don't keep children in my dungeon, i promise
go fuck yourself
Battlechili
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Battlechili
Banned
At least try to understand that what people are seeing in this art isnt what you're seeing.
Let me try this another way.
Ever heard of death of an author?
Because something in fiction is not something that actually is, what it is is what you perceive it to be
You're saying that people are perceiving these characters as they would a child, and that's just not how people view them
Tesseract
Let me try this another way.
Ever heard of death of an author?
Because something in fiction is not something that actually is, what it is is what you perceive it to be
You're saying that people are perceiving these characters as they would a child, and that's just not how people view them
Tesseract
Tesseract
Banned
fuck off
At least try to understand that what people are seeing in this art isnt what you're seeing.
Let me try this another way.
Ever heard of death of an author?
Because something in fiction is not something that actually is, what it is is what you perceive it to be
You're saying that people are perceiving these characters as they would a child, and that's just not how people view them
fuck off
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Battlechili
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Bruh as long as you go around calling people pedos you threaten their livelihood and encourage mob harassment due to the weight such terms carry. They shouldnt be used lightly unless you know beyond a shadow of a doubt they're actual pedos and not just weebs getting off to weird anime porn
Please, please try to see what the weirdo weebs are seeing
It ain't children. No ones looking at Misty, the MHA girls, the girl from Demon Slayer, whatever other hot new anime girl I'm forgetting and doing so because theyre attracted to children
I can at least see where your coming from with the Harry Potter models cause the fact that they were in some way influenced by the films makes that creepy, but I ain't about jumping to conclusions and I'm certainly not about to let people think people into Pokemon characters are secret wouldbe kid diddlers
Please, please try to see what the weirdo weebs are seeing
It ain't children. No ones looking at Misty, the MHA girls, the girl from Demon Slayer, whatever other hot new anime girl I'm forgetting and doing so because theyre attracted to children
I can at least see where your coming from with the Harry Potter models cause the fact that they were in some way influenced by the films makes that creepy, but I ain't about jumping to conclusions and I'm certainly not about to let people think people into Pokemon characters are secret wouldbe kid diddlers
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DunDunDunpachi
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Kotaku's death-spiral took a dark turn, I guess. Hope they immolate faster.
Tesseract
Banned
i hope they all eat bullets in the fucking FACE and get tossed into ditches (under hypothetical situations in which law enforcement have no other choice)
choke on it, bruh who jerks off to people getting mutilated and eaten
DERP DORP I'M A BRAINLET WHO CUMS TO MURDER PORN
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Tesseract
Banned
congrats to all the users that liked
Battlechili
's posts itt
i better step away before i get banned
Battlechili
's posts itti better step away before i get banned
Tako Ou
Banned
FTFYcongrats to all the users that liked
i better step away before i get banned
Starlight Lotice
Member
Whether it is hentai or lolis, Kotaku shouldn't really be reporting this as it will upset a lot of readers and may get them into trouble in the long run.
Unprofessional at best, potential website investigation at worst.
Unprofessional at best, potential website investigation at worst.
Quezacolt
Member
Considering the way you've acted so far, i do hope you get banned. Lot's of people watch weird porn and that doesnt mean they go do the same irl. Unless you tell me that everyone that watches porn where there's a cheater, is also a cheater, or that everyone that watches incest porn also dreams about having sex with someone on their family.congrats to all the users that liked
i better step away before i get banned
I don't care what kind of porn people watch, as long as there's no real suffering, or real pedophilia involved.
Battlechili
Banned
I don't want him to be banned tbh
At the end of the day the only reason hes upset is because hes worried about the safety of children. One cant fault that.
I just wanna try and change his mind, but maybe I'm not good at articulating what I'm trying to say
Another example someone could give is that rape fantasies are super common (as in, fantasizing about being on thr recieving end) but that doesn't mean the people with them actually want to experience such a horror, hence why things like consensual nonconsent exist amongst couples in fetishplay.
At the end of the day the only reason hes upset is because hes worried about the safety of children. One cant fault that.
I just wanna try and change his mind, but maybe I'm not good at articulating what I'm trying to say
Another example someone could give is that rape fantasies are super common (as in, fantasizing about being on thr recieving end) but that doesn't mean the people with them actually want to experience such a horror, hence why things like consensual nonconsent exist amongst couples in fetishplay.
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Quezacolt
Member
one can be worried without acting like a total ass towards others
Tako Ou
Banned
I will have one last go at this.
I guess this is all about that part of my post :
So to be as clear as I can be :
I am not saying this
I was and am still trying to highlight the escalation in both statement that I don't see in some people extreme judgement.
You can condemn all of those statements, 3/4 of it or half of it, it's not my point.
I am saying that this
As this
You disagree with that ?
Do you think
If you think that's the same then yes, we do disagree. And that's fine, I just find this extreme.
is the same as this :
I was and am still trying to highlight the escalation in both statement that I don't see in some people extreme judgement.
You can condemn all of those statements, 3/4 of it or half of it, it's not my point.
I am saying that this
is not equal to this.
As this
is not equal to this
You disagree with that ?
Do you think
is the same as
?
If you think that's the same then yes, we do disagree. And that's fine, I just find this extreme.
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Iorv3th
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But there are people that are specifically into young anime characters.
Especially weird when they are older men in their late 20's, 30's.
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Thabass
Member
Please don't ruin Sephiroth like this.
Everyone at RE right now
Actually RE has been pretty opposed to the article. Can't say I shit on them here. They have a right to be upset by this type of shit.
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Whitesnake
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Since people seem to be taking sides here.
This stuff isn't child porn. Drawings do not have rights and do not need to be protected. No one is harmed in the making of it.
Hell, in a lot of artstyles age can't be readily guessed. In the case of the article examples, if you had never seen those characters before (Misty, Mipha, Hermione) and you were told "these characters are 19" then you'd probably believe them.
You can feel that it's creepy to make this stuff and even creepier to jack off to it.
But it's not the same as IRL pedophilia or child porn. Those are hefty accusations to be throwing around, and I'm not going to cosign them.
This stuff isn't child porn. Drawings do not have rights and do not need to be protected. No one is harmed in the making of it.
Hell, in a lot of artstyles age can't be readily guessed. In the case of the article examples, if you had never seen those characters before (Misty, Mipha, Hermione) and you were told "these characters are 19" then you'd probably believe them.
You can feel that it's creepy to make this stuff and even creepier to jack off to it.
But it's not the same as IRL pedophilia or child porn. Those are hefty accusations to be throwing around, and I'm not going to cosign them.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
lol wait a minute people aren't looking at images and perceiving those images as attractive? come on, just admit it. this whole dancing around the issue is not convincing anyone. if what you looked at had nothing to do with your sexual pleasure, then why look at anything at all? why even have cleavage when you can draw a stick figure and imagine it? why draw a big butt when you can imagine it?
face it, sexual media plays a role in people's fantasies. that's kind of the point. people seek out sexualized media in order to have that character participate, to an extent. no amount of "it's not a real person it's a drawing" obscures that fact. that's galaxy brain deconstructionism meant to remove all value from any imagery. it's a self defeating argument.
i mean "porn videos aren't real people there having sex in front of you, they are just a video man, so why not look at whatever you want?" is a bullshit argument as well. nobody would buy it if you were watching a video of a woman fucking a horse, that you were actually imagining her having lesbian sex. they would say "woah, you are into beastiality?" and they would have a good reason to think so!
face it, sexual media plays a role in people's fantasies. that's kind of the point. people seek out sexualized media in order to have that character participate, to an extent. no amount of "it's not a real person it's a drawing" obscures that fact. that's galaxy brain deconstructionism meant to remove all value from any imagery. it's a self defeating argument.
i mean "porn videos aren't real people there having sex in front of you, they are just a video man, so why not look at whatever you want?" is a bullshit argument as well. nobody would buy it if you were watching a video of a woman fucking a horse, that you were actually imagining her having lesbian sex. they would say "woah, you are into beastiality?" and they would have a good reason to think so!
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Battlechili
Banned
Yeah but even those characters have a bunch of traits that make them distinctly their own thing. If were talking about characters like Kanna from Dragon Maid or Shinobu from Monogatari, they typically have big eyes, discolored hair, small to nonexistant noses, odd body proportions (for example, Kanna has unusually large thighs for what shes supposed to represent), and so on.
The appeal of these characters in particular is usually a fetishization resulting from Japanese kawaii culture, which itself was a revolt against the stuffy work culture there. People attracted to characters like this are typically into them because they fetishize that very particular kind of cuteness (the kind of cuteness that results in characters like Hello Kitty). Its not about them being seen as children, but carrying those very specific traits that just so happen to be in combination with them having childlike traits.
Once again I'd bring up furries, whom are characters with animal traits. That doesn't mean people into them are attracted to animals though; it's the combination of those animal with human traits to create something new and distinct to itself.
Komatsu
Member
For all the people here saying "well, this isn't CP!!"... The images posted would be considered CP under the legal statutes of over 10+ western nations. The fact that those are low-poly models is absolutely irrelevant to the legal definition. Even here in the US we had statutes such as the PROTECT act (that were struck down/ameliorated by the Supreme Court, but still) that state that people who share, create and consume depictions of minors engaged in sexual activity can be prosecuted for obscenity and/or child pornography.
Examples:
For those saying this is a low-effort post from
Chittagong
- I mean, I think a major website that is read throughout Europe posts images that would be considered criminal in the jurisdictions of where plenty of its readers reside is newsworthy.
Examples:
French Penal Code - Art 227-23 said:
Swedish Police: Law and Crime in Digital Spaces said:
For those saying this is a low-effort post from
Chittagong
- I mean, I think a major website that is read throughout Europe posts images that would be considered criminal in the jurisdictions of where plenty of its readers reside is newsworthy.
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The debate about whether animations of minors is child porn or not reminds me of something that happened while I was in the military.
Extremely long story cut short (because I typed all that shit out and decided to delete it for a quickie.)
During my deployment a soldier was caught with 6TB of Child Porn. A substantial amount of it was animated porn with known underage cartoon characters like Pebbles from the Flintstones as a Toddler. I remember asking my squad leader if they were going to charge him for the cartoon porn and he replied with yes they're counting it as if it was real child porn.
I know he was sentenced but I didn't pay any mind to the situation after he was taken away in handcuffs a few weeks later.
Note: I was told by my Squad Leader that it was 6TB of child porn while the soldiers team leader said there was 6TB of regular/legal porn with a substantial amount of child porn. I don't know for a fact either way.
Ever since then I lumped in cartoon CP with real CP though no where near as fucked up because that soldier I spoke of got charged with cartoon child porn as real child porn along with the real child porn he also had.
Extremely long story cut short (because I typed all that shit out and decided to delete it for a quickie.)
During my deployment a soldier was caught with 6TB of Child Porn. A substantial amount of it was animated porn with known underage cartoon characters like Pebbles from the Flintstones as a Toddler. I remember asking my squad leader if they were going to charge him for the cartoon porn and he replied with yes they're counting it as if it was real child porn.
I know he was sentenced but I didn't pay any mind to the situation after he was taken away in handcuffs a few weeks later.
Note: I was told by my Squad Leader that it was 6TB of child porn while the soldiers team leader said there was 6TB of regular/legal porn with a substantial amount of child porn. I don't know for a fact either way.
Ever since then I lumped in cartoon CP with real CP though no where near as fucked up because that soldier I spoke of got charged with cartoon child porn as real child porn along with the real child porn he also had.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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baby fuck wtf
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Sure guro is shit but are you gonna tell me you don't choke your gf when she tells you to?
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Deleted member 757921
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Like I said, I cut the story short. On my first day reporting to my unit was also my first day in the Army outside of basic training he showed me a pic of toddler Pebbles doing something I don't think you want the image of in your mind.
I told my team leader to see what's up with this guy and he told me that the leadership thinks he was trying to get out of our upcoming deployment so he's pushing the limits without crossing the line.
Whitesnake
Banned
For all the people here saying "well, this isn't CP!!"... The images posted would be considered CP under the legal statutes of over 10+ western nations. The fact that those are low-poly models is absolutely irrelevant to the legal definition. Even here in the US we had statutes such as the PROTECT act (that were struck down/ameliorated by the Supreme Court, but still) that state that people who share, create and consume depictions of minors engaged in sexual activity can be prosecuted for obscenity and/or child pornography.
Examples:
For those saying this is a low-effort post from
Got any examples of people being sentenced for possession of child pornography based on the possession of drawings of fictional characters?
The written law, which is up to interpretation, doesn't matter even an iota compared to how the law is actually enforced.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Battlechili
Banned
They are. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they arent perceiving these characters as they would a child.
That's kind of important
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iconmaster
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Based Canada laying it on those dirty flat chesters.
Joshmyersbv
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Man some of you people are really fucked up.
Whitesnake
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lmao Canada stays losing
Weilthain
Banned
Are you referring to the people sticking up for drawing child porn, or those who are against it?
I'm assuming you are against but I can't be sure anymore.
I CANT BE SURE OF ANYTHING ANYMORE!!
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