Tesla Cybertruck reveal (OP)

godhandiscen said:
That doesn't account for the cost per mile.
At $4.00 per gallon and 21 MPG fuel efficiency, the truck you linked to has a price of $0.1904 per mile.
The CyberTruck has a battery of 250KW that delivers a range of 250mi and the cost per KW is about 13 cent, therefore you are looking at $0.13 dollars per mile.

For every 100k miles, you would be paying an extra $6k on the truck you linked to, and that is in a fantasy world in which the cost of gas doesn't increase and the cost of electric doesn't decrease.
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So with your favorable assumptions (gasoline is below $4, nationally) after 250k miles, the trucks might have equal spending, although the Tesla truck is substantially inferior.
 
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godhandiscen said:
That doesn't account for the cost per mile.
At $4.00 per gallon and 21 MPG fuel efficiency, the truck you linked to has a price of $0.1904 per mile.
The CyberTruck has a battery of 250KW that delivers a range of 250mi and the cost per KW is about 13 cent, therefore you are looking at $0.13 dollars per mile.

For every 100k miles, you would be paying an extra $6k on the truck you linked to, and that is in a fantasy world in which the cost of gas doesn't increase and the cost of electric doesn't decrease.
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Very few people keep cars for 100K miles, and what fantasy world are you living in where the cost of electricity is expected to go down?
 
lock2k said:
I actually work at the big F and I don't believe products can be invincible forever just because of experience. Even Ford proved that on Le Mans in the 60's.
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What does Tesla have to lose? I don't need trucks to be invincible or bullet proof but don't need them breaking down. I just need to see more from the cyber truck.
 
womfalcs3 said:
So with your favorable assumptions (gasoline is below $4, nationally) after 250k miles, the trucks might have equal spending, although the Tesla truck is substantially inferior.
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Inferior how? It has tons of luxury quality of life features that the truck you linked to doesn't have. It is like comparing apples to oranges. The CyberTruck is an excellent combo of utility, performance and luxury.

I am not a truck guy at all. I just want the CyberTruck because its design speaks to my inner child. Also, I do not make stupid financial decisions, and the numbers for CyberTruck are perfect for a weekend family roadtrip vehicle. If I was looking strictly for a utility vehicle, I would be looking for different qualities.

Dr.Guru of Peru said:
Very few people keep cars for 100K miles, and what fantasy world are you living in where the cost of electricity is expected to go down?
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As more energy generation moves to solar the cost decreases, one of the factors is the decreasing cost for making panels.
 
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Dr.Guru of Peru said:
I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime, I can point to actual rising utility costs to prove my point.
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Costs per watt on solar has been decreasing and panel efficiency has been increasing since the technology was invented.

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Cybrwzrd said:
The more I look at the more I lovehate it. It's all late 70s' early 80's supercar ridiculousness. Its a Lotus Espirit on a truck frame. It's pure sex, specifically coked out escort sex.

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The Lotus is sex on a stick (I have a love of all things Lotus) but the CyberTruck - it's a turd I'm afraid.
 
Cybrwzrd said:
A few hundred k miles?

There just isn't much to break other than typical wear and tear items. The cars are incredibly reliable.

Comparing the failure modes for a Tesla and a standard ICE vehicle is like comparing a steam locomotive to a bullet train.
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Tbh reliability isn't necessarily the problem here - the problem is rapid obsolescence in such fast-changing tech, and the battery almost certainly becoming useless fairly quickly and ending up with a range that takes you to the end of your driveway.
 
hariseldon said:
Tbh reliability isn't necessarily the problem here - the problem is rapid obsolescence in such fast-changing tech, and the battery almost certainly becoming useless fairly quickly and ending up with a range that takes you to the end of your driveway.
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Is it?

electrek.co

Tesla battery degradation at less than 10% after over 160,000 miles, according to latest data

Battery degradation is one of the biggest concerns for electric car owners and potential buyers, but data from Tesla battery packs...
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Granted, this article is a a little over a year old, but to only see 10% degradation after 300,000 km tells a totally different story. These aren't cell phone batteries.

Cars built 10-15 years ago are obsolete by today's standards. Sure, they still function, but lack many modern features. A car built in 80's or 90's is now just as old as a car built in the 50's or 60's was when many of us were young children. 300k km for the average person is 10-15 years + of ownership.

hariseldon said:
The Lotus is sex on a stick (I have a love of all things Lotus) but the CyberTruck - it's a turd I'm afraid.
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The Cybertruck isn't for everyone, and I can appreciate that. I want to see one in person though. It is absurd to the point of being cool. Though it isn't my market. I don't like driving big vehicles.
 
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godhandiscen said:
That doesn't account for the cost per mile.
At $4.00 per gallon and 21 MPG fuel efficiency, the truck you linked to has a price of $0.1904 per mile.
The CyberTruck has a battery of 250KW that delivers a range of 250mi and the cost per KW is about 13 cent, therefore you are looking at $0.13 dollars per mile.

For every 100k miles, you would be paying an extra $6k on the truck you linked to, and that is in a fantasy world in which the cost of gas doesn't increase and the cost of electric doesn't decrease.
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You are off by at least a factor of 3 for the Wh/m (watt hour/mile). The Model 3 gets about 250-300Wh/mile, and this will likely be similar.

So your cost per mile to operate this truck @ .13/kW is likely 0.043/mile on the conservative side.
 
Cybrwzrd said:
Is it?

electrek.co

Tesla battery degradation at less than 10% after over 160,000 miles, according to latest data

Battery degradation is one of the biggest concerns for electric car owners and potential buyers, but data from Tesla battery packs...
electrek.co electrek.co

Granted, this article is a a little over a year old, but to only see 10% degradation after 300,000 km tells a totally different story. These aren't cell phone batteries.

Cars built 10-15 years ago are obsolete by today's standards. Sure, they still function, but lack many modern features. A car built in 80's or 90's is now just as old as a car built in the 50's or 60's was when many of us were young children. 300k km for the average person is 10-15 years + of ownership.
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That's less degradation than I'd have expected tbh - I've seen some reports of other electric cars like the Nissan Leaf etc going down to a 30 mile range after a few years of use. On the obsolescence - I'd argue that an older car actually isn't enormously obsolete these days. Cars aren't significantly faster than they used to be (I'd argue mainstream cars are slower if anything), the big changes are better safety and fuel economy but those things don't necessarily impact the experience, nor is the difference as big as will be the difference over 10 years of electric development (granted, this is because like anything early in its history the development curve is hard early on).

For me - I'll probably get an electric car eventually though I'll really miss the sound of a proper angry internal combustion engine (still the greatest experience of my life was hooning a fast Caterham around Silverstone and then Donington with it screaming in my ears and melting my brain - and the wonderful smells in the garage with all those old fast cars doing their thing were glorious) but I don't fancy being an early adopter (aka beta tester). Better to let others iron out the kinks and I'll take advantage once the economics make sense for me (they currently don't).
 
hariseldon said:
I'd argue that an older car actually isn't enormously obsolete these days. Cars aren't significantly faster than they used to be (I'd argue mainstream cars are slower if anything), the big changes are better safety and fuel economy but those things don't necessarily impact the experience, nor is the difference as big as will be the difference over 10 years of electric development (granted, this is because like anything early in its history the development curve is hard early on).
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A mid 00's car likely lacks Bluetooth connectivity, backup camera, forward collision mitigation, adaptive cruise control, lane keep assistance, other infotainment features, LED headlights, and is probably slower and less efficient than the modern model.

Those things all improve the experience imho.

Yes, a well tuned engine sounds nice. I'll take the instant torque and acceleration of a Tesla instead of engine noise though.
 
Cybrwzrd said:
A mid 00's car likely lacks Bluetooth connectivity, backup camera, forward collision mitigation, adaptive cruise control, lane keep assistance, other infotainment features, LED headlights, and is probably slower and less efficient than the modern model.

Those things all improve the experience imho.

Yes, a well tuned engine sounds nice. I'll take the instant torque and acceleration of a Tesla instead of engine noise though.
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So of those things:
- I love my bluetooth (Plex server at home streams music to the phone which I bluetooth to the car stereo - it's fucking lovely) but that's quite an easy fix spending a few quid on Amazon for a bluetooth to mic input adapter thing
- Backup camera - don't have one and don't need it and I've never hit anything reversing
- Forward collision mitigation? Not sure I follow.. beepers or something? Again, not something I particularly need as I leave safe distances. I drive like an asshole on a track, but like a sensible person on the road.
- Lane keep assistance - never needed it, never had it, I suspect it would just end up being annoying
- infotainment - well my car has satnav but tbh it's a pain in the balls to update, rather use my phone. Indeed most in-car stuff has appalling software.
- LED headlights - Yay I can blind people.
- Less efficient yes but probably not slower. Car speeds outside of the hypercar bracket have plateaued somewhat -car tech has been completely stagnant for a good while outside of in-cockpit toys. In a way I suspect that's what partly pushed the drive to electric, so people actually have a reason to change because of a big change in tech. Honestly I'd be perfectly happy driving a well-maintained car from the 80s.

On the engine sound.. it's not nice, it's a religious experience in the right car.
 
hariseldon said:
So of those things:
- I love my bluetooth (Plex server at home streams music to the phone which I bluetooth to the car stereo - it's fucking lovely) but that's quite an easy fix spending a few quid on Amazon for a bluetooth to mic input adapter thing
- Backup camera - don't have one and don't need it and I've never hit anything reversing
- Forward collision mitigation? Not sure I follow.. beepers or something? Again, not something I particularly need as I leave safe distances. I drive like an asshole on a track, but like a sensible person on the road.
- Lane keep assistance - never needed it, never had it, I suspect it would just end up being annoying
- infotainment - well my car has satnav but tbh it's a pain in the balls to update, rather use my phone. Indeed most in-car stuff has appalling software.
- LED headlights - Yay I can blind people.
- Less efficient yes but probably not slower. Car speeds outside of the hypercar bracket have plateaued somewhat -car tech has been completely stagnant for a good while outside of in-cockpit toys. In a way I suspect that's what partly pushed the drive to electric, so people actually have a reason to change because of a big change in tech. Honestly I'd be perfectly happy driving a well-maintained car from the 80s.

On the engine sound.. it's not nice, it's a religious experience in the right car.
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Forward collision mititgation is a system that kicks in to brake the car before the driver can react to lessen a forward collision. There is also the warning system that beeps at you if it detects a vehicle stopping and you not reacting.

Going 0-60 in <4 seconds is a religious experience in any car. And Teslas are about the cheapest way to hit that mark. A Performance Model 3 gets to 60 in about 3 seconds after the firmware update a few weeks back.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
I love 80's sci-fi as much as the next guy but this is going too far.

It's like they took all the design language they have been going with since the Model S and threw it in the garbage and drew a PS1 polygonal car instead. How the fuck did they go from my Model 3 to this thing? I want whatever Elon is smoking, it's the good shit.
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It reminds me more of early 16 bit 3D games, like Starglider 2 or Elite.

Love the design.
 
Most 50k truck owners I know are dummies to begin with. I worked with them at a parts department for years. Obnoxious idiots with a lead foot on the throttle that "race" in the silliest situations. A projected 22mpg truck is probably more like 14mpg in most cases or less.

Those good ol' boys are gonna be eating some humble pie against this cybertruck, while spending more money by the time their lead foot adds up.

There will be comparisons against the major truck brands on video. Towing, straight line drag race, and "dropping chains" the cybertruck will demolish the gas guzzlers. Bet on it. Not only that, within 5 years it'll be leagues better than its initial dominance.
 
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hariseldon said:
A small city car won't have space for a worthwhile battery.
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Yeah it would. The upcoming roadster has double the range of the Model 3 Long Range, and is a smaller car. Since Tesla picked up Maxwell Technologies they have some battery and capacitor tech at their disposal to really make some improvements in energy density in their upcoming vehicles.

Musk practically announced a compact car at the recent China event when he said that Tesla is going to have a Chinese design team design a new vehicle there. It's probably 3-4 years away, but I am fairly certain there will be a City car for the Asian and European markets at the very least.
 
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EviLore said:
Costs per watt on solar has been decreasing and panel efficiency has been increasing since the technology was invented.

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The relevant comparison is not to previous solar but with current natural gas. As the energy mix changes from coal, oil, natural gas to renewables, if renewables are more expensive than the alternative fossil fuel generation then prices will rise.
 
That video was suggested to me on youtube this morning, too :messenger_tears_of_joy:

That thing looks so cool, but he did admit they have to shrink it down. He says just 5%, but who knows what it'll really be.
 
So they're still saying end of 2021 for release? I figured with Tesla's track record it wouldn't be out til 2023. I have one preordered, but with how cheap I can get a new vehicle right now I'm tempted to push out the cybertruck purchase.
 
I honestly love the Cybertruck. At first I was like "WTF?? Is this a joke?", but it just started growing on me and it's pretty cool. I love the more angular designed cars from before 2000. Only thing is that I prefer a black finish.
 
I think I'd be embarrassed to drive that. I like 80s-90s car design and I love low-poly but this looks too crude. It would work well if we lived in a cyberpunk post-apocalyptic world, except we don't. I guess there's man boys out there who have the means and wish to splurge on this. Maybe I'm just a hick who doesn't get it. I do however appreciate nerdy Elon's enthusiasm about futuristic design.
 
This pre-reveal artists concept is how it should of looked.
How it actually does look is hot garbage. And I say this as a huge Elon Musk fan.

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Hmm that pre-reveal concept looks totally opposite of current design. Theres not a single straight line on there, the grill, the doors, everything is curvy. Too much happening for my taste but the front does look boss.
 
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