bitbydeath
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Mark Cerny said PS5 would be appealing in price despite it being a tech powerhouse.
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Mark Cerny said PS5 would be appealing in price despite it being a tech powerhouse.
Gudji
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Depends on the laws of the country and some other stuff. In this case it would be Filand.
Kampfradler
Member
ultra fast (costum?) ssd; more powerful gpu than xbox which is already rumored to be around 12tf; more ram (so 18 gigs or more assuming xbox has 16) with higher bandwith; dedicated raytracing hardware
for around 399 - 499 ?
no way
Imtjnotu
Member
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How do you get 18gigs man DAMNIT lol. Math doesn't add up
Gamernyc78
Banned
Sony also in an interview said PS5 would be premium even at one point used the word niche. It won't be 600 but it'll be 500 and Sony will eat a loss.
01011001
Banned
he also said they have been with sony for a good while already...
So that mean Sony must have bought the majority of their stocks, weeks or even months back, and noone knows about it.
I would really be interested in someone from Finland who knows about the laws there
Shin
Banned
Specs wise the gen war would be over before it even started (good on Sony if true and it is long overdue IMO).
I wonder if the damn thing is 12TF at least, that's all I wanted from the next PS, if not i'll be vocal about the disappointment.
Really hope we're not getting a shitty State of Play, it saves money but it's lifeless, you need people on the stage doing the sales pitch - it's how it has always worked.
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Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
You understand Remedy is publicly traded company and can't be owned "in secret"? If Sony bought them, we'd have known ages ago.
joe_zazen
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every country is different, but if the former ownership group retained more than 50% voting rights, sony and remedy board could have come to an agreement. If not, sony can make an offer to the board, and the board can present it to the shareholders for a vote at a later date. I am no expert, but that is my understanding.
either way, idk if remedy will do anything for sony. They have a bunch of story action adventure single player games already.
Gudji
Member
I have the same opinion. Would a 399 console sell better? Yes due to price but it wouldn't hold on so well over time with new tech coming in every year.
At 499 they're able to deliver an awesome console with a more "premium" feel to it. it will still sell well because in the first year most buyers are hardcore guys anyway and then they'll probably start dropping price after the 2 year mark.
Yes but maybe they haven't finalized the deal yet and just have an agreement of some sort.
One thing is for sure the moment they sign a deal that will be announced ASAP due to the stock market.
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01011001
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but he specifically said they have been with Sony for a while already. and noone noticed so far.
That's really hard to believe imo.
Damn, Tommy can't catch a break. He keeps on giving out info that can be easily proven as false lol.
Ellery
Member
As time passes the price for hardware drops. Back in 2013 when the PS4 released a 500GB HDD was not cheap. 8GB of RAM were not cheap. The console still released at $399.
Now we get modern hardware. We are not getting a gigantic cutting edge Intel Optane Storage Solution (or whatever the best is right now).
We are probably getting a 500GB - 1TB SSD that is as expensive now as a 500GB HDD was in 2013.
Same for RAM. 8GB in 2013 are probably more expensive than 16GB in 2020.
We have no idea how strong the GPU is going to be. Could be weaker than you think.
I expect $499 for the PS5
Considering he is the only person in the world claiming the series x is a 747 I can't wait it should be fun launch day.
Fan noise (Dev-Kit): Sex>PS5 (not as egregious 1x vs. Pro).
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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I figure most people would apply Occam's Razor to their statement of "2x XBO X" and deduce that 2 x 6 = 12. And again, there is an actual chip we can look at right now, which expert analyzers measure to be a bit over 400mm2, that gives plenty of room for 56 active CUs. Then take the fact that in order to verify an ~ 10TF Navi performance target with those approxiamated specifications, the GPU'd need to be clocked below 1400MHz (which is unrealistic), and that should leave anyone with non-biased and logical deduction thinking to come to a sensible conclusion that they are likely around 12TF, if not exactly at 12TF.
What I don't understand is that, if indeed MS is being coy about performance metrics because they can't hit their possible 12TF performance goal, why are many people so assured that Sony being even more coy about their performance metrics is because they have something "well beyond" those same ~ 10TF performance metrics, or because they feel they can hit 12TF...
...even when, again, the only hard testing benchmark data that's been leaked for PS5 up to this point all point to 36/40 CU chips at > 2GHz clocks (and probability that one, Ariel, is just an earlier form of the other, Oberon).
FWIW, no dev has come out saying anything specific about Sony OR MS's systems, because they're under NDA. As for the leakers, well we don't have a surefire way of measuring just how good their source are, and besides, we already have hard data (one in particular that was very quickly deleted, unlike so many of these other rumored specs) that does enough of the talking.
I like taking the practicality approach to these things, not gossip mill ferris wheels.
chemical boy
Member
Do not be so nervous, soon you will know the truth. And from there we will see who was right and who was not.
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Ellery
Member
Yeah they can eat a loss and totaly should. The amount of money they get from active subscription and fees is insane. The more people have a Playstation the better (For Sony).
Who cares about losing 100$ on hardware per console if you make that back in no time with your 30% cut for games, PS plus prices, PS Now and all other digital fees.
But yeah 500$ is where my money is at too.
FranXico
Member
He's using greater than as better. I think he means XsX is more quiet than the PS5.
David Ricardo
Member
I don't believe you after you shared supposed PS5 specs with 32kb per cu as the L1 cache. That's GCN numbers. RDNA has L1 cache per shader array, not per CU.
Also, what does it matter how much noise a devkit makes? A dev kit can be noisy as hell and final hardware could be dead silent or viceversa.
Stuart360
Member
Rockstar own the Max Payne license right?, because Max Payne is the only reason why i could see anyone buying Remedy. They keep remaking the same game, taking years to do it, and their games flop.
I would like them to be though, just because of the memories they gave me when i was younger. Plus i still expect PS5 games to be released on PC at some point.
I would like them to be though, just because of the memories they gave me when i was younger. Plus i still expect PS5 games to be released on PC at some point.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Yeah thts always been their philosophy, where thy fucked up with ps3 was it was way more than 100 loss (200 plus) so thy weren't recouping their money back on software sales plus thy didn't have subscription at tht time, well you know paid online. This time around is way different and although theur more conservative and thinking smarter up to 100 loss initially I think they'd go for.
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Rossco EZ
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could he mean they've been with them for a while meaning housemarque? they have released a good amount of games on different playstation generations through the years.
Chromata
Member
Thank you insider #10, let me just add your leaks to the pile
01011001
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well he said both and said they have been with Sony for a while now...
the only way to interpret this is that they bought them.
and that's just very hard to believe or even completely impossible depending on how Finland's laws are
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vpance
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Oh fuck, Nintendo, please save me from these solid state flop wars with your stupidly under powered but still some how massively upgraded Switch Pro...
xool
Member
I'm going to say nope - intake ports are ~16 square inches. Top output is probably 5" diameter fan = ~20 square inch
Compare the size of a dual PCiE "slot" eg as used by a 2080Ti .. haven't got the exact figures but that's around 4" high and well under 2" wide .. so under 8 square inches ..
Series X is "at least double" that (now here have we heard something like that before)
Not sure what concerns they have on Beyond3D .. but maybe concern trolling ?
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Gediminas
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PS3 costed 499$.
01011001
Banned
so this sounds to me like they would need to disclose it as soon as they actually buy them... right?
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FranXico
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Stuart360
Member
It will be interesting to see how powerful Nintendo go with the Switch Pro because the Switch is what, 3 times less powerful than XB1, 4 times less than PS4?. So if they go say XB1 level with the Pro, that would mean like 10% of the power of SeriesX and PS5, i cant see them being THAT far behind, even for Nintendo.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It's not a perfect design, correct. But it's not an impractical design, either. And whatever design PS5 goes with, won't be a perfect design, either. All designs have at least a few flaws, the pressing issue is that they're only of minor nitpicks and not performance dealbreakers.
Speaking of PS5's devkit design, there's another reason you'd need such ventilation: to cool a GPU clocking 2GHz or higher. Which a 36CU chip would need in order to hit 9.2TF or higher (keep in mind there have been some other rumor spec leaks (nothing hard data though) showing 10.2TF on those same chips, which is also possible via turning on all 40 CUs and clocking them above 2GHz).
And seeing that, again, the Oberon and Ariel GPU testing are the only consistent hard data benchmarking figures that've been leaked for some months now, and have ties to PS-related products (clock speed settings matching PS4 and the Pro), then the leading idea is that the PS5 kit has that level of cooling specifically because of an overclocked Oberon GPU.
18GB is not logical or sensible on any console's memory bandwidth budget.
Why? Because for starters, there are no 24Gbit (3GB) GDDR6 modules in production. Second reason? Because while you can technically do 18GB on a 256-bit, 320-bit or 384-bit bus, you would (literally) be splitting only one pair of memory ICs into clamshell mode and then going 2 GB/ 2GB.
A single pairing of chips in clamshell mode, while the rest are in full non-clamshell? Who would be that senselessly esoteric with their memory setup in a games console, where you might as well go all or nothing since you're getting components in economies of scale? So that's either 16GB (non-clamshell), or 32GB (clamshell), with a 256-bit bus (which seems to be what PS5 is using).
18GB is a laughable figure. when you understand this.
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Gudji
Member
so this sounds to me like they would need to disclose it as soon as they actually buy them... right?
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
I only want Switch quality games, at 4k docked. 1080p handheld. That's more than enough of an upgrade, as long as the games all run 4k locked and are smooth.
Luigis Mansion 3 would already look stupidly good.
Thats the thing about Nintendo, they do what they need to do and they don't really compete in the traditional sense.
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CuriousToe
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Exposed, part 2. Ohh Tommy Tommy ⚰
Just playing devil's advocate here, but didn't he say part of the WWS family? Theoretically, they could have been working with WWS on exclusive Sony games while the acquisition was being discussed and formalized.
I'm sure we'll find out soon enough either way.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
so this sounds to me like they would need to disclose it as soon as they actually buy them... right?
Yep and it seems there's no bids from Sony here
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Gediminas
Banned
so prove it that it is false, give us real info?!
Rossco EZ
Member
true, unless they have agreed but waiting to announce partnerships at the playstation event.
Ellery
Member
The 499$ lacked features didn't it and had a much smaller HDD.
Also we have to factor in inflation.
499$ in 2006 are like 640$ in 2020.
Btw, in Oberon regression tests they also cut of ROPs to 32, as well as bandwidth to 218GB/s in GEN1 (and 176GB/s in GEN0 mode).
On top of that, in Oberon_Native test its very clear that full chip is 36CUs, as can be found in comment section beside a test concerning BW when 18WGPs (36CUs) are used. Too many things are fitting for people to blindly hand waive it not the least the fact that all data was deleted from Git and Twitter.
splattered
Member
It was both $500 and $600 depending on which model you wanted... the $500 model lacked features.
Self High Five
Member
Gee, I wonder why it took you all this time to mention this? As opposed to weeks ago? (rhetorical question btw)
Everything else you mentioned have been speculated endlessly, particularily aquisitions of Housemarque & Remedy. This has been talked about to death over in the Reee Playstation first party thread.
These pseudo 'insiders' are just becoming boring at this point.
Gediminas
Banned
so in fact PS3 costed 499$ like i said.
01011001
Banned
As per the devkit around half of both vents are blocked off.
this is a prototype we don't even know if this thing turns on.
there might be hardware in this that isn't in the final version (there is a debug slot for one)
CuriousToe
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Didn't
Tommy Fisher
state the SSD was far better ages ago? Not quantified necessarily, but I remember some PS5 >>>>> XSX type descriptors for SSD.
ethomaz
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$599 at launch.
Ohhhhh I forget they had the useless 20GB model at $499... it was a model that can't even play some games lol
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