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[Neo Blaster]

Keep in mind that Stadia isn't dead yet (despite what is posted here) and their specs are easily upgraded at any time. Let's say Sony has the power advantage and they are bragging, bragging, bragging. What happens when Stadia waits a bit to give Sony time to make those numbers stick in the minds of consumers and then doubles those numbers on their platform? Not the best look for Sony, tbh. Both companies could stay silent on hard numbers, in which case someone with the lead would also be silent.

Well, they are not delivering anything better than Xbox One X today anyways.

 

[BlacknGold_Blood]

We assume but don't know for sure.

I assume we know of the 56 CU die from Phil posting a picture of the chip.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

@Albert Penello >>> @HeisenbergFX4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Tommy Fisher

IMO Tommy shouldn't even be on the list

Brah... Brah... I'm just saying what's been said in all the leaks. It seems to be the most commonly repeated thing said. That's why I'm interested in knowing what's going on, because I don't quite understand it.

I'm still firmly in team SX > PS5. Not by much, not by anything that will ever matter in any sense of the word. That's exactly how I want it, as well, so that both are on par. But god help MS if they price it higher. If they had any sense they would price it lower.

I know. Just get hooked on semantics at times.

Pricing-wise neither one's gonna go over $500, and they'll hit between $400 and $500 depending on specs and/or willingness to use subscription and digital software revenue to pick up on any additional losses the hardware takes selling at whatever prices they set 'em.

 

[chilichote]

I assume we know of the 56 CU die from Phil posting a picture of the chip.

From this some people think to know the size of the die. But thats assuming not knowing. No one has x-rayed that thing or has the exact size.

I hope things get official soon, so we could know something rather than assume

 

[Nikana]

PS5 10.8
XSX 11.8

Mark this post

 

[Andodalf]

I assume we know of the 56 CU die from Phil posting a picture of the chip.

We can guess, but even the die size has to be guessed at because the picture is at an angle with nothing clear for scale. And beyond that, we don't know how much of the Die is the CPU clusters/embedded memory cache/RT stuff.

 

[bitbydeath]

Likewise the denial of the SX as well.

I'm going to enjoy Gaf that night

Team Xbox have set themselves up to fall harder with a 3TF difference while Team Sony have been saying even before the game awards that the difference will be < 1 TF.

 

[Dokku]

I was referring to a bowel moment.

Take this as a lesson not to get excited about everything.

It was a good bowel movement.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Team Xbox have set themselves up to fall harder with a 3TF difference while Team Sony have been saying even before the game awards that the difference will be < 1 TF.

Nah, 3tf is crazy talk, tbh. Even then it's not going to make massive waves.

 

[splattered]

Nah, 3tf is crazy talk, tbh. Even then it's not going to make massive waves.

Unfortunately grass gate or puddle gates are still gates.

People will find anything to fight over.

 

[Mrdeveus]

PS5 10.8
XSX 11.8

Mark this post

Based on what he has been saying I am willing to bet

9.8 PS5
10.8 XseX

Or maybe even closer

 

[Norse]

Actually I will answer that as honestly as I can.

Back a couple of weeks ago not sure on the timing without looking at my texts my buddy at SIE sent me a text saying he was hearing no Feb big reveal look for a State of Play that shows the box maybe a couple of game demos.

He also said we wont hear about TFs anytime soon as neither company wants to talk TFs because as he said one was 9.5 ish and the other 10.

I even brought it up here several days ago (again do not know exact date without looking at posts) about a State of Play instead of a full reveal how people would feel after I heard that from my buddy.

I had also posted the impact tremor gif a day or two before the official Sony skipping E3 as he told me that day I made that post we would be getting that very info.

So to answer your question a few weeks ago I was firmly in the 12 tf camp but the longer it goes we do not hear about a full reveal the more I am putting faith into my crazy little birdie friend as being right.

SIE San Diego by chance?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Unfortunately grass gate or puddle gates are still gates.

People will find anything to fight over.

Well to be fair, if the GPU in the ps5 is better the gate will look nicer, bit if the cpu in the SX is better, the gates going to have some kick ass physics.

Either way, D dark10x and co. are about to earn some new subscribers

 

[FranXico]

@Albert Penello >>> @HeisenbergFX4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Tommy Fisher

Adam Sessler & Albert Penello on the Xbox One (Interview)

He meant graphics. Did you see Infamous:Second Son? I have seen Infamous... it looks next gen, but so does Ryse visually, and to some people even more so than Infamous which looks good, but at no point does anyone feel like Infamous makes Ryse look a league apart, both are serious eye candy...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Proelite]

Adam Sessler & Albert Penello on the Xbox One (Interview)

He meant graphics. Did you see Infamous:Second Son? I have seen Infamous... it looks next gen, but so does Ryse visually, and to some people even more so than Infamous which looks good, but at no point does anyone feel like Infamous makes Ryse look a league apart, both are serious eye candy...

www.neogaf.com

Humble pie. Chip on shoulder. Payback time.

 

[Mrdeveus]

Not speculation but still interesting, to me this means they have something to show this year at E3

 

[TLZ]

Actually I will answer that as honestly as I can.

Back a couple of weeks ago not sure on the timing without looking at my texts my buddy at SIE sent me a text saying he was hearing no Feb big reveal look for a State of Play that shows the box maybe a couple of game demos.

He also said we wont hear about TFs anytime soon as neither company wants to talk TFs because as he said one was 9.5 ish and the other 10.

I even brought it up here several days ago (again do not know exact date without looking at posts) about a State of Play instead of a full reveal how people would feel after I heard that from my buddy.

I had also posted the impact tremor gif a day or two before the official Sony skipping E3 as he told me that day I made that post we would be getting that very info.

So to answer your question a few weeks ago I was firmly in the 12 tf camp but the longer it goes we do not hear about a full reveal the more I am putting faith into my crazy little birdie friend as being right.

9.5tf vs 10tf.

This is more believable. 10tf rdna = 12tf gcn = 2x xbone x.

 

[Tragic Denial]

Old things

 

[Agnostic2020]

Adam Sessler & Albert Penello on the Xbox One (Interview)

He meant graphics. Did you see Infamous:Second Son? I have seen Infamous... it looks next gen, but so does Ryse visually, and to some people even more so than Infamous which looks good, but at no point does anyone feel like Infamous makes Ryse look a league apart, both are serious eye candy...

www.neogaf.com

Lol no wonder proelite loves him . Yikes at the comment .

 

[Darklor01]

I was referring to a bowel moment.

Take this as a lesson not to get excited about everything.

It was a good bowel movement.

May your console shipment get delayed. You can take that as a lesson to not get over excited about everything.

 

[Vinex]

Mix RT, SSD, 3D Audio and Zen 2 in this sauce. All not available on 2013 consoles.

I bet you're mark Cerny trying to justify the 9.2tf

 

[Zefros]

Not exactly playing it safe you make it sound like I am trying to compete with Jason Screier or something.

I am just sharing things I have heard

And i really appreciate your honesty.

 

[Imtjnotu]

I bet you're mark Cerny trying to justify the 9.2tf

 

[chemical boy]

Adam Sessler & Albert Penello on the Xbox One (Interview)

He meant graphics. Did you see Infamous:Second Son? I have seen Infamous... it looks next gen, but so does Ryse visually, and to some people even more so than Infamous which looks good, but at no point does anyone feel like Infamous makes Ryse look a league apart, both are serious eye candy...

www.neogaf.com

It is incredible that there are people who take Albert Penello as a reference after this thread.

 

[Vinex]

It was a joke because he is using Mark Cerny's pic as a profile pic

 

[chemical boy]

Why is he right if Sony does not give data? MS didn't,they didn't said "Series X is 12TF RDNA",they where vague as could have been.

I do not mean the TLOPS, Heisenberg has commented that he has heard that Xbox is slightly more powerful than PS5, while Klee, Osiris and Tommy have argued that PS5 is slightly more powerful than Xbox.

 

[TLZ]

Need to take a break, I will be back after we get some official info.

Take care man.

 

[BlacknGold_Blood]

From this some people think to know the size of the die. But thats assuming not knowing. No one has x-rayed that thing or has the exact size.

I hope things get official soon, so we could know something rather than assume ☺

Yes but the Github leak also shows the XSX with 56 CU die.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Yes but the Github leak also shows the XSX with 56 CU die.

U have the link to arden?

 

[BlacknGold_Blood]

U have the link to arden?

I think the github leak was removed so no, but I think some people on the other site have taken screen shots of it.

 

[joe_zazen]

Need to take a break, I will be back after we get some official info.

cheers mate, prolly for the best. You can feel the anger swirl, looking for a target.

hope to see you back.

 

[Darklor01]

Need to take a break, I will be back after we get some official info.

Enjoy the breather

 

[BlacknGold_Blood]

U have the link to arden?

Here's a link with the data based on Github though. https://www.no1geekfun.com/amd-leak-github-shows-specs-from-ps5-and-xbox-series-x/

 

[SportsFan581]

Google can't just upgrade at anytime. They have a proprietary setup. And anything they do will have a cost, just as a console would.

A bit wrong there. Stadia already has multi GPU support in a master/slave configuration (up to 4 I believe), This won't be that efficient, but if they really wanted to play a numbers game, they already have that capability. Again, I"m talking about advertising and public perception amongst consumers, not the real-world results. They've also said that their hardware will be iterative as technology becomes available.

It will be interesting to see if Stadia shows any signs of life when the free version hits. from what I've seen the games are just too overpriced, never mind the performance issues.

 

[Niked]

Mark Cerny interview more then a year ago. He already then talked about ray tracing.

 

[chilichote]

Here's a link with the data based on Github though. https://www.no1geekfun.com/amd-leak-github-shows-specs-from-ps5-and-xbox-series-x/

Are ROPs not bound by CUs? Why has the X then only 64 of them. Or should'nt the PS5 than have less ROPs? One way or the other^^

 

[BlacknGold_Blood]

Are ROPs not bound by CUs? Why has the X then only 64 of them. Or should'nt the PS5 than have less ROPs? One way or the other^^

You need to go to the other place and ask the tech experts there. I basically have learned the very little I know from them.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Fuuu, 2nd super-good next-gen analysis vid of the day from one of my other favorite Youtubers on the topic. Actually forgot about that APU datamine leak from the other day.

 

[chilichote]

You need to go to the other place and ask the tech experts there. I basically have learned the very little I know from them.

That question was not pointed at you in particular. Someone here possibly knows the answer.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

10TF doesn't make sense for Xbox as we have seen the size of the chip, and the box it's going in. It will be clocked around the sweet spot which points to around 12TF.

PS5 could be anything right now from 8.5TF to something similar to the Xbox.

 

[splattered]

Mark Cerny interview more then a year ago. He already then talked about ray tracing.

I know he's a smart dude and all but god I didn't realize how creepy he is... haha

 

[Lone Wolf]

A bit wrong there. Stadia already has multi GPU support in a master/slave configuration (up to 4 I believe), This won't be that efficient, but if they really wanted to play a numbers game, they already have that capability. Again, I"m talking about advertising and public perception amongst consumers, not the real-world results. They've also said that their hardware will be iterative as technology becomes available.

It will be interesting to see if Stadia shows any signs of life when the free version hits. from what I've seen the games are just too overpriced, never mind the performance issues.

I'm not sure we are in disagreement. Multi GPU support comes at a price, and it will most certainly be passed on to the consumer. If you give a streaming customer 4 GPUs, he's eating up a lot of power at googles end. Multiply that by thousands of people or more, and it will be costly. Yes they can advertise that against Sony and MS, but we all know they can't possibly deliver to everyone, and at the standard price.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

9.5tf vs 10tf.

This is more believable. 10tf rdna = 12tf gcn = 2x xbone x.

Yup.

Double Xbox X is 12TF GCN. MS never claimed it was double at RDNA specs.

Just like their vague 4x the power of X on their twitter only pertained to the CPU.

MS has been wishy washy with specs, but at least there's some nuggets to get an idea what SeX will be.

 

[Koopatrol]

I know he's a smart dude and all but god I didn't realize how creepy he is... haha

Spoiler

I love the man tho

 

[transformer]

From this some people think to know the size of the die. But thats assuming not knowing. No one has x-rayed that thing or has the exact size.

I hope things get official soon, so we could know something rather than assume ☺

The die is surrounded by standard parts of known dimensions. Those who calculated the size are estimating based on those components and the size of the APU. This is not assuming, it's estimation. Probably within 5% of actual size if done correctly.

 

[FERN]

I know he's a smart dude and all but god I didn't realize how creepy he is... haha

Geniuses are often socially awkward and creepy looking

 

[Niked]

Yup.

Double Xbox X is 12TF GCN. MS never claimed it was double at RDNA specs.

Just like their vague 4x the power of X on their twitter only pertained to the CPU.

MS has been wishy washy with specs, but at least there's some nuggets to get an idea what SeX will be.

Yep, seems like it. This means 399$ for PS5 and Xbox X.

 

[TLZ]

Yup.

Double Xbox X is 12TF GCN. MS never claimed it was double at RDNA specs.

Just like their vague 4x the power of X on their twitter only pertained to the CPU.

MS has been wishy washy with specs, but at least there's some nuggets to get an idea what SeX will be.

Yea I'm ok with that. If it's anything more it'll be a very nice bonus

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Mark Cerny interview more then a year ago. He already then talked about ray tracing.

That is from 2011 I believe (14th annual interactive achievement awards) Cerny playing the long game!

 

[Brudda26]

Boy does this thread go over the same things every day multiple times a day. Makes my brain want to implode. Sony just announce something so we dont have to deal with this constant circle of the same shit every day.