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bitbydeath
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PS4 is still ahead of PS2 sales launch aligned.
splattered
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Dont worry, MS will change the wording to most powerful console once the ps5 specs are finally revealed
Self High Five
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Roronoa Zoro
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Honestly I wouldn't be surprised with them holding their cards closer than last time. Remember MS made some bigger and smaller adjustments after being embarrassed at E3 in time for launch and they probably wouldn't have been able to get the get rid of Kinect patch out as fast either if they hadn't been working on it before launch due to the backlash. Maybe Sony just doesn't wanna give them any time to mitigate if they do have some ace up their sleeveSince it seems like a lot people are looking at how PS4 was announced last gen and comparing that to a potential PS5 reveal, I thought I'd jump in.
The PlayStation Meeting 2013 was announced January 31st, 2013. On that same day, they put up the PS Meeting 2013 website:
The PlayStation Meeting 2013 website also had a "sign up" for more details, like the PS5 website does. Now obviously these are somewhat different scenarios - the PS Meeting 2013 website does not say anything about being "not quite ready" and has a hard announcement date. But I think the point still stands that Sony would only put a website up where you can sign up for more info if the reveal is coming somewhat soon, like they did in 2013. In 2013, it was basically 20 days after the website was launched. So I would wager that we'll probably get more PS5 info within at least 1 month from when the website was put up, before GDC. I could see a late February or early March reveal.
01011001
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wait... I did not know the Initiative had ex-Insomniac guys... I never really looked into that studio...
Soadi
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Believe they have people from all over the place.
01011001
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yeah but this dude was the lead director and main designer of many of their games... including Sunset Overdrive and I think the Resistance games...
Rightisright
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Sure. It has 4 more active Cu's than the retail version is what I meant. 600gflop more compute power than retail.
saintjules
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Rightisright
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To be fair, for three generations out of four Sony hasn't really needed to have a PR face at the front of the PS. It's pretty much been a runaway train sales wise.
Cerny is liked amongst hardcore gamers, but he doesn't really have much personality, neither does Ryan. But to be honest they didn't need to be this gen. MS put in Phil because they need that happy, get out there, everyones friend type fronting for Xbox. Its a no contest in the charisma stakes between Spencer and Ryan.
Sony should bring in CliffyB as their head. Gears chainsaw gun and all.
NathanDiego
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Not a single person I know bought a console because of PR,Phil charisma didn't helped the Xbox One as we can see the Switch has already passed.
Burrito Bandito
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whole heartedly disagree. This is totally different circumstances. The only reason xb1 was more expensive was due to kinect, so thats not a factor this time around. You also have to keep in mind the mindsets in 2013 and now in 2020.
In 2013 Sony was coming off a shocking gen where Xbox went from new-comer selling a measly 25 million units to a powerhouse with the 360 that could actually go toe to toe with Sony. They caught Sony on their heels so Sony had the mindset of needing to assert themselves. The result was a more powerful console at the same price (console only).
Bring that to 2020 where MS are the ones who were caught on their heels and got embarrassed. They are the ones who need to assert themselves and really go all out. MS would be the ones willing to take more risks this time around, its only logical.
If you are expecting Sony to pull another PS4 this gen then i honestly think you are for a rude awakening. Regardless, the PS5 will sell like hot cakes and have exclusives a lot of people like so does it REALLY matter? See, thats exactly Sony HQ's thoughts as well. They know they can cheap out a bit and still be fine.
The PS5 will be more than capable but i sincerely believe that if you must have more power then you will have to also invest in an xbox this gen.
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DrDamn
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I very much respect what Phil Spencer has done for the Xbox brand. It could well be gone had he not shown they can make a good profit from it and given the higher ups at MS the confidence to invest. That they are finishing this gen so strongly bodes well for both sets of fans too. He's got a face that says "punch me" though, an inherent smugness.
I don't think Jim or Shaun were any better mind. I like Cerny and Shu but neither are great big stage presenters. I really wouldn't mind if Sony just went the State of Play route for the big reveal. I just want to see the games.
Aceofspades
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OrionNebula
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See, I was thinking the same thing. Which jackass got people all excited 2 weeks ago with their ''fortnight''/14 days rumour? Please stand up and go suck an egg, sir. Would you kindly?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Oh, this is gonna be grand...
First off, "push of github leak" can mean a range of things, so why can't you specify? I have never outright came out and said PS5 would be 9.2TF. What I've said and insisted is that the Github leak (and the various benchmarks that have been uncovered since the leak) are related to PS5. That is not necessarily saying the same thing as "PS5 will be 9.2TF (or even lower). I have even explored other things that could be missing in the Github leak that ALSO take into things some of the insiders have said, to find a - gasp! - middle ground!! But just like so many other warriors, you are slighting me and insinuating I've made a claim I haven't simply because my conclusions aren't the exact same as yours. Talk about ridiculousness.
And, unlike so many people who would rather be blind sheep and buy into whatever anyone says that fits their comforts, I am willing to take all possible outcomes and - gasp again! - see what the bigger picture could be. I'm not one of the people who's been ONLY listening to the insiders or ONLY insisting on the Github leak and GPU benchmarks, but I'm not surprised if irrational warriors on a given side want to paint me that way. Can't help how other people selectively choose to ignore valid data and come up with fantasy scenarios that betray their own lack of how technology and business financials even work. But I get it, this is a speculation thread. As long as no one is trying to assert their speculations as facts, then it should all be good.
Except, again, there is definitely a persistent angle here with people who are 100% #TeamInsiders trying to attack and tear down anyone who even slightly entertains the Github documents or GPU benchmark datamines, and it's pretty easy to see the reason they are doing this, is because to these people (who were just previously implying power didn't matter) are upset that those leaks and those benchmarks don't favor their preferred platform choice. Well, I'm not a console warrior, so I don't care which favors which. But I also know never to turn down hard data, especially if it's persistent and consistent, and it has connection with other hard data. Data don't care about your feelings.
To the rest of your post, that is merely a subjective interpretation. That said, while I personally found the logo reveal pretty dumb and even slightly insulting, I never said it didn't generate buzz. My point is that there are people using that as a console warrior dick-measuring contest, but they are looking at those kind of things as mutually exclusive. Not everyone prefers simply one brand; quite a lot actually prefer at least two if not all three, and also engage with PC and mobile. And as already mentioned, PS is arguably the biggest global gaming brand, it's been that way for decades, so I don't see why some people are freaking out in using the buzz generated from a logo reveal as a slam against Xbox (just as I would question why any Xbox people would completely downplay the effectiveness of the logo reveal).
Me saying I though the logo reveal was dumb and slightly insulting has nothing to do with trying to downplay a brand; the same general opinion would be had if MS or Nintendo did something like that, too. As someone who likes more nuanced discussion on next-gen systems it was shallow. That said I can also acknowledge that my personal opinion is not the same as the macro/general consensus. But people on either side trying to use something as (somewhat) fleeting as social media likes to "stick it" to a rival console brand are being stupid and childish.
OrionNebula
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OK, so where's @Tommy Fisher right now?
Why is he quiet for a some good days now? It's weird, come out and talk.
Restarting somewhere under a different name, would be my guess
I was thinking the same earlier today. Fairly certain it's passed.
Unless PS1 didn't get a global release back in the day?
LED Guy?
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He was talking in terms of the platform itself, as an ecosystem, not the console itself.
OrionNebula
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Shhhhh...its about personalities now
That certainly explains Stadia
Rightisright
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Exactly my point. Sony hasnt needed to.
But when you are trying to rebrand yourself to both the public and developers, are you going to want a guy who is boring and cant build relationships, or a guy who can do that. They need a salesman in part, hence why Phil is where he is.
And you cant blame Phil for Xbox one, that's just stupid. He got handed a steaming pile, and it takes time to develop games, new hardware and rebuild trust and relationships.
And comparing the switch is again stupid. That would be like me saying that Xbox One sold more than the PSVR.
SegaSnatcher
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Rightisright
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To say it isnt at some point is being blind to reality. You obviously haven't done much sales work have you?Shhhhh...its about personalities now
Microsoft need to get good relationships with developers. They need to sell the story of "things have changed, we are a different beast now". You do that better with a person who has the ability to make friends and relationships. If I was selling a product, I would Phil there for me rather than Ryan.
It wont be the be all end all of who comes out on top, there are other factors, but for where MS is now, Phil is they guy they need, not a boring, un engaging type that lacks personality.
And lets be honest, if he was heading up PS, you would all be touching yourselfs in your dirty places.
NathanDiego
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But who said any of the Sony's heads are boring?Or they can't build relationships? Because Phil "looks" more a nice guy? It is a billion dollar industry,I bet no one of them care if Phil is a nice guy when their games are selling twice on the other console with a install base of over 100M,and when they look and see 3/4 PlayStation has sold over 100M.
Rightisright
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Why do people think it is going to be held at Sony Hall? Actual honest question. Has Sony held events there before? Or is it just that its branded with Sony?
It only holds like 500 people, and last reveal Sony packed out a place with 2000 seats.
50p seems a little low for me when you think about the importance of the event, and the amount of people who would want to go.
You have all the media, and that could be hundreds, all the Sony big wigs and PS people, all the developers and their staff, equipment partners, etc etc.
schaft0620
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Sony hosted the PS4 event in NYC at the Playstation Theater (closed last year). Its a mish-mash of people mixing the two up and some people thinking they would move it to this venue.
I personally think its crazy to expect them to do it in NY. Most of the industry is in CA and flights to Asia are cheaper on the west cost.
Red-Town
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Dont worry, MS will change the wording to most powerful console once the ps5 specs are finally revealed
Are you an insider as well?
Rightisright
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Who commands the stage more when he walks out to sell his product to the public, Ryan or Spencer? Let's compare Phil talking about the XSX at the game awards to Ryan announcing the PS5 logo. Its a non starter.
But you are only reading half of what I have written. At this point Sony don't need a person like Phil heading up PS. They are coming off the back of a winning gen, and go into the next one with a big advantage. Microsoft on the other hand need someone like Phil.
Rightisright
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Ok. I wasnt sure if Sony had hinted it would be there or if they have held prior events there. Everyones seems set that it will be there.
Was it held in NY last time because its better time zone wise?
Vinex
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Some foolish statements I have read on this thread:
- Sony is afraid to show their console because they have the less powerful console.
- Sony isn't confident in their product that's why they don't wanna reveal it.
- MS caught Sony out off guard, Sony has no clue what to do.
..........................
I mean bruh... who started talking about next gen back in April 2019??
Who talked about the SSD & how it's going to play a big role in the next gen consoles??
Who showed a LIVE video about the speed of the SSD in action??
Who talked about the new revamped UI & the new futures of how you can launch 2 games at once??
And the list goes on...
What MS showed?
A black box
The same controller with a new share button that was on PS controller for 7 years now...
People need to calm their tits, Sony has said & showed way more than MS.
- Sony is afraid to show their console because they have the less powerful console.
- Sony isn't confident in their product that's why they don't wanna reveal it.
- MS caught Sony out off guard, Sony has no clue what to do.
..........................
I mean bruh... who started talking about next gen back in April 2019??
Who talked about the SSD & how it's going to play a big role in the next gen consoles??
Who showed a LIVE video about the speed of the SSD in action??
Who talked about the new revamped UI & the new futures of how you can launch 2 games at once??
And the list goes on...
What MS showed?
A black box
The same controller with a new share button that was on PS controller for 7 years now...
People need to calm their tits, Sony has said & showed way more than MS.
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siekro1983
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I don't think anyone mentioned this but XSX could have a huge advantage on ps5 if they upgrade all the lastgen games to 60fps and sony just goes with regular BC with out upgrades.
pawel86ck
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Microsoft’s Game Stack chief: The next generation of games and game development
James Gwertzman, general manager of Microsoft Game Stack, gets to see how thousand of games are developed and run. He talked about the future of games.
venturebeat.com
AI upscaled textures in real time suggest something like tensor cores in XSX.
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Coulomb_Barrier
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Microsoft’s Game Stack chief: The next generation of games and game development
James Gwertzman, general manager of Microsoft Game Stack, gets to see how thousand of games are developed and run. He talked about the future of games.
AI upscaled textures in real time suggest something like tensor cores in XSX.
Machine learning textures
That's a gimmick if I ever heard one It's so good it's the reason all the world class studios will ship their new games with low res textures isn't it. Bwahaa ha
bitbydeath
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LED Guy?
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There's something I noticed from all these insiders and even Sony and Microsoft, all these insiders are saying that TFlops numbers do not matter and stuff, and would give many detailed specs and vague hints but at the same time, they say it doesn't matter, if it really didn't matter then they should list the TF number like it something that isn't NDA'd so much, so it matters, but for real, Klee was the only one who gave us near perfect TF number, I mean he said XSX will be a bit above 12 Navi TF, and PS5 will be a bit above XSX like 5 to 7%, although this may change when the final hardware released which most likely won't happen, maybe both Sony & Microsoft will up-clock them a bit more.
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saintjules
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01011001
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That should appease the 5 or so people that play BC games.
AKA: people that appreciate games no matter how old they are.
and it's also funny how the number of people using BC is downplayed, especially by Sony fanboys (only since this gen curiously
I wonder why)every fucking time an old Call of Duty game (especially MW2 and Blops2) became backwards compatible on Xbox One, the games were in the top gaming charts on Amazon and the servers were filled (sadly filled with hackers... fucking hackers everywhere...)
so it's a bit more than 5 people
ArabianPrynce
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They are dead lmao
VFXVeteran
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If you look at my post, I bolded the stuff that I said was true. The date and cost no one knows.
Just wait.
01011001
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splattered
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Bruh... Sony did all that.
Because they thought putting an SSD in the PS5 was going to be a unique game changer only to find out MS is also going the SSD route.
Since then? Sparse vague details and a logo.
Darklor01
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I just want to say the following. It's kind of a given that not everything an "insider" or vetted individual mentions will come true. Things do change.
I feel bad for the real insiders, vetted, and those with proper info that are treated poorly for sharing what they know or have been told. They don't deserve it. It's not just the fake insiders that ruin things for real ones. It's the community that roast everyone and call BS rather than wait to see what pans out.
I sincerely wish that the community was better on all ends, but that just isn't possible.
Edit: To the real, please stay with us.. we know not what we do. Thank you for trying.
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splattered
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Machine learning textures
It's so good it's the reason all the world class studios will ship their new games with low res textures isn't it. Bwahaa ha
If this is a seriously viable solution it could cut down on game sizes... needed for disc and downloads.
Don't see how this could be considered a bad thing as long as it works well?
splattered
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Neo Blaster
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BC was a bonus this generation, but will play a critical role in the next: to keep the installed base where they, so they can keep their catalogs.That should appease the 5 or so people that play BC games.
bitbydeath
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AKA: people that appreciate games no matter how old they are.
and it's also funny how the number of people using BC is downplayed, especially by Sony fanboys (only since this gen curiously
every fucking time an old Call of Duty game (especially MW2 and Blops2) became backwards compatible on Xbox One, the games were in the top gaming charts on Amazon and the servers were filled (sadly filled with hackers... fucking hackers everywhere...)
so it's a bit more than 5 people
You're overstating it. People play old games when they have no new games to play.
New > Old everytime.
01011001
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also with GaaS games that will be supported for years to come and not necessarily be ported over natively, BC will play a major role.
who knows for example if PSO2 will be ported to next gen? if you want to play this game for the coming years and it's not natively ported over then BC is literally your best friend.
the same goes for other long running Multiplayer stuff like Warframe, Destiny 2, EVERY MMO basically.
many games will eventually be ported over to fully utilize the hardware, but I bet at launch many won't and BC is here to the rescue.
01011001
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I would rather play God of War 2 again than God of War 4... and no, new is not always better. I bet there are hundreds of old games you haven't played that you would love a lot if you ever tried them.
and trying old games with no hardware to play them on is pretty hard if it's not super easy to emulate.
I've been replaying Crysis 1 again lately on PC, and that game is still a better single player shooter than almost any modern shooter aside from maybe Doom and Titanfall 2.
the moment I've discovered how much I love MegaMan Legends was when Kyle Bosman talked about Tron Bonne on Final Bosman... I then remembered how I always wanted to try the MMLegends games. so I loaded Tron Bonne onto my PSPgo and loved it... after finishing it I instantly got Legends 1 and so on.
there are so many old games that I haven't played but potentially would love to death... like MMLegends... and thanks to the pretty damn good PS1 compatibility of the PSP I had an easy way to play these games.
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