llien
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I've read it all (I thought) which part are you referring to?
Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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Sakura
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No idea what to tell you about that. Overzealous policemen? You are talking about Japan right? I don't live in Tokyo, but I live in Fukuoka which is one of the 7 prefectures that the government put under its state of emergency. I was at work all day today and yesterday. Before all this Coronavirus stuff (back in Feb or so) we'd get about 1000 customers a day. Now? 700-800.
It's a convenience store, sure, so it would never be closed anyway. But lots of customers still without masks. Lots of young people, clearly just enjoying the extra time off school. Lots of people out drinking. You see parents bring in their kids. Guy came in carrying his baby yesterday, just to buy a bottle of pop. No mask of course.
Not like these people are here buying essential supplies. Here buying ice cream, desserts, other junk food, booze, smokes, etc. Plenty of old people coming in with coupons and shit to buy treats.
The yakiniku place next door is still open. Albeit reduced hours from being open till midnight, to being open till like, 10:40pm. Employees there telling me they still get a decent number of customers. There are of course stores that are closed down. But I believe that that is due mostly to a lack of business.
I really think you should wait on deaths. I wouldn't be surprised if those started to tick up soon once the hospitals start filling up, and more people have been sick for longer.
It is true that there aren't a lot of fat people here (lots of smokers though).
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Deleted member 17706
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Seems like it's mostly in Tokyo, but just search 警察 自粛 on Twitter and you'll see all sorts of stuff.
Straight up WWII Kempeitai looking mother fuckers.
Sakura
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It's just a publicity stunt because they can't actually make people stay home. That's why they have cameras following them around. They can't, and won't do anything.
Hell, there is a big riot police facility near my store, and the guys who work there regularly come into the store (50+ people a day), no masks, no social distancing, nothing. Buying booze and snacks and shit to party. They don't give a shit.
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Deleted member 17706
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Oh, I know. It's just shitty intimidation tactics and is more annoying than anything.
cryptoadam
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Sorry meant to say some of the replies to the tweet
I don't know if those replies are correct or not. And I do believe that the study does bring value. Also there are apparently other studies that are doing the same thing so we will get more numbers to compare.
cryptoadam
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I think their deaths will catch up to them, but if we consider their location and when they got their first case, the fact that they have kept their death numbers so low says to me that they didn't suffer the same outbreak as the rest of the world did over the last few months.
Lack of testing can cover up confirmed cases, but not deaths. Maybe they just got lucky.
Sakura
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Yeah, but Japanese police have always been like that. They like to walk around downtown hassling people who look suspicious. I remember I was just chilling at a laundromat doing my laundry a couple years ago, and this cop just walks in to ask me questions.
They apparently have nothing better to do. There was a minor traffic accident in the parking lot here a couple weeks ago. Within 10 minutes there are fucking 5 police cars and cops just standing around not doing anything lol.
I think there is a lot that we still don't know. We know when countries had their first confirmed cases, but we don't really know how long things have actually been spreading in countries. We also don't know how many influenza like illness deaths could've been actually coronavirus too. The data a year from now will be really interesting.
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So what was this super privy inside info those senators had that normal people didn't? There was plenty of info on the internet about how the virus was progressing. Did the virus tell them secretly it will hit USA hard? Or it was a forgone conclusion after seeing what was happening in Iran, Italy, Spain? There were plenty of people warning that it will hit USA. I bet a lot of smart non-politicians dumped their stocks after watching what was going on in China, Iran, Italy. They didn't need Trump to tell what to do.
So yeah, I struggle to see where's this insider trading you speak of.
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cryptoadam
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You know what would of been the best preparation? Ban travel from China in 2015 since this is when he warned us about this.
No need to worry about ventilators, ICU's or vaccines. If we would of just cut off China sometime in the last few years we wouldn't be having this problem today.
I would love to hear all the Monday Morning QB's just state that fact. Thats the number one thing we could of done and it would not have required billions invested in anything outside of moving manufacturing around.
ricardo_sousa11
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llien
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On a serious note, where does the state government responsibility end and federal begin?
If states decide how to lock down (if at all) what is being asked from the federal government?
Note that lckdowns and aggressive testing are the only tools used so far anywhere on this planet. As far as tests go, US ramped them up considerably, I was told.
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The US is testing more people than anywhere, but the 24/7 media narrative is that there's still not enough testing as that's the angle the House is going to base its next impeachment effort on.
ricardo_sousa11
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Testing =/= Mitigation
Commercial flights are still going on, more than anywhere else in the world, this alone should guarantee a huge community spread. Lockdowns are still quite soft across most states with little police enforcement apart from the states that have it worst.
DeepEnigma
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Jonsoncao
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What I meant was the "downplay" card many media were using back in the late-Feb, early-March.
There are many examples, NYC mayor still said going to bars or movie is fine back then, Trish Regan thinks this is "another attempt to impeach the president", Hannity interviewing Trump on March 4 saying "3.4% death rate is a false number" and "personally, I would say, the number is way under 1%".
holygeesus
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Where have you got this 2 years thing from? The point of the lockdown is to mitigate the initial growth so as to not strain the healthcare systems. Places will open up and people will get back to work pretty soon (within weeks if not months) with social distancing continuing indefinitely, and the most vulnerable in society recommended to stay away from public gatherings. Then comes the vaccine and then it will be even less of a strain on the healthcare institutions. This will be about for ever. It was never intended to be a long-term lock-down until the virus was somehow removed from existence.
Jonsoncao
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Personally I don't know, but I dumped all my mutual funds back on Feb 28 when TSLA fell to 670 something, there are multiple market indicators alarming the current economic cycle is ending, and the senators could have traded their stocks based on these publicly available info. The current seemingly bull market, which I felt like a huge bubble, was manipulated by the WSJ capital.
In Cali, I am seeing hiring freezes among many AI or machine learning learning start-ups. Knowing in past 1-2 years, I would get multiple emails asking whether I have a machine learning student going to the job market. I think it would take years for the economy to get back on track.
The person I was quoting has been pushing a 1-2 year lockdown until a vaccine is ready.
eot
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Opinion | Life and Death in the ‘Hot Zone’ (Published 2020)
“If people saw this, they would stay home.” What the war against the coronavirus looks like inside two Bronx hospitals.
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Wwg1wga
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cryptoadam
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So anyone still seeing lots of stories about lack of PPE? I know that there are still some struggles but the PPE stuff kinda seems to have faded a bit?
Also it does feel like the hysteria is starting to die down a bit. Maybe since a lot of places are showing decline and talking about re opening there isn't as much bad news to drive it?
Also it does feel like the hysteria is starting to die down a bit. Maybe since a lot of places are showing decline and talking about re opening there isn't as much bad news to drive it?
It's Easter Weekend. Don't worry, tomorrow the cable news will start inventing new bad news to drive their ratings.
eot
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Opinion | Life and Death in the ‘Hot Zone’ (Published 2020)
“If people saw this, they would stay home.” What the war against the coronavirus looks like inside two Bronx hospitals.www.nytimes.com
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cryptoadam
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Local Walmart. This is why I avoid Walmart completely now:
I think you just wanted an excuse to post a pitcture of that fatty
Rbk_3
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Local Walmart. This is why I avoid Walmart completely now:
Our local Walmart has a limit on how many they let inside. I had to wait 30 minutes to get in the other day
cryptoadam
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If I am not mistaken this is the lowest day total of deaths since March 19th and Spain March 22nd.
Case numbers are always iffy on Sunday's especially with it being a holiday weekend. but people can't put off dying because of the weekend/Easter.
But good signs hopefully this keeps up. Its odd checking worldometers and not seeing Ital/Spain at the top.
Does Germany have another round of reportin? If not today was a really good day for them as well. France looks good to but their numbers are too all over the place to comment. They could dump another 1300 deaths tomorrow for all we know.
Jonsoncao
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Anecdotally, I think in NYC area still is experiencing the lack-of-PPE problem. I have a high school friend who is a resident at Mt Sinai NYC, the only thing he posted on FB was how the community can donate PPE to their hospital.
As for news media coverage, a simple google search yields the following with the most up-to-date date:
Desperate health care workers rally for coronavirus gear at Harlem Hospital
Dozens of health care workers rallied outside Harlem Hospital on Monday, demanding better protection from COVID-19 as the number of patients afflicted by the deadly virus continues to grow. Members…
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For areas other than NYC, personally I have not seen much of a problem on stocking of PPEs, except for a story Evilore posted a few weeks back on Kaiser. For example, in the county where I live (Orange county, CA), the local govt has been super efficient preparing for the coming peak of ICU intakings, I receive constantly updates on how the three biggest hospitals in the area (Kaiser, Hoag, and Univ of Cali) have been coordinating with resources. Kaiser (my healthcare provider) has been constantly updating their status, for example, from an email I got it says:
cryptoadam
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Anecdotally, I think in NYC area still is experiencing the lack-of-PPE problem. I have a high school friend who is a resident at Mt Sinai NYC, the only thing he posted on FB was how the community can donate PPE to their hospital.
As for news media coverage, a simple google search yields the following with the most up-to-date date:
Desperate health care workers rally for coronavirus gear at Harlem Hospital
Dozens of health care workers rallied outside Harlem Hospital on Monday, demanding better protection from COVID-19 as the number of patients afflicted by the deadly virus continues to grow. Members…
For areas other than NYC, personally I have not seen much of a problem on stocking of PPEs, except for a story Evilore posted a few weeks back on Kaiser. For example, in the county where I live (Orange county, CA), the local govt has been super efficient preparing for the coming peak of ICU intakings, I receive constantly updates on how the three biggest hospitals in the area (Kaiser, Hoag, and Univ of Cali) have been coordinating with resources. Kaiser (my healthcare provider) has been constantly updating their status, for example, from an email I got it says:
I think this kinda proves the point about PPE. Yes in some hotspots its still an issue, but for a lot of other area's the concern has largely faded. Compare to a week or 2 ago when everyone was sounding the alarm that every hospital won't have PPE and Trump had to literally take PPE of a tarmac right under France's nose.
Even where I live in Canada I am seeing things like hand sanitizer become more available. We went from having mass shortages to this stuff being around almost everywhere. I went to do groceries and they had you lather up before going in, and same thing in the depaneur (7-11 equivalent). A month ago that would of been treated like gold or diamonds.
I take this as a good sign that things are getting under control. Same with the ICU beds and ventilators. The concern about those seems to have dropped a lot. (again maybe not outside a place like NY or NJ).
Roronoa Zoro
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If they test enough people and get the infections down wouldn't large gatherings be possible? Basically "we've all been tested and everyone who works at any public job was tested so it's all safe to interact!"
Track any positive test and who they've been in contact with recently. And boom the public is safe again.
Track any positive test and who they've been in contact with recently. And boom the public is safe again.
Wwg1wga
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Wuhan lab was performing experiments on bats from coronavirus caves
The Wuhan Institute of Virology (scientists pictured) did experiments on bats captured more in Yunnan. Sequencing of the Covid-19 genome has traced it to bats found in Yunnan's caves.www.dailymail.co.uk
So he got it right.
DragoonKain
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I think that would have mitigated some of the spread here, but not all. Because that doesn't account for people in other countries going to China and coming here. For example, some of the mass infections in this country have been linked to Italy via China, not China directly.
There really is no fool proof way to surely prevent pandemics. You can take measures to decrease the chances, but another will happen at some point eventually regardless of how much travel banning we do. Hell, it fucking hit North Korea and Russia and those countries are about as locked down as you can get.
So I think we always need to invest in PPEs just so we have them when we need them.
Dr.Guru of Peru
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The U.S. east coast pandemic came from Europe.
Also, lol @ the irony of calling out "Monday Morning QBs" and then making that post.
Also, lol @ the irony of calling out "Monday Morning QBs" and then making that post.
cryptoadam
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I mean the entire world. I figured Bill was talking about the whole world being prepared not just the USA. So for example if Italy stopped travel from China, it would not have gotten to Italy , and then through to the USA.
NK and Russia actually have a lot of travel with China and both share borders with China. Russia/China border is if I am not mistaken the biggest border in the world. Beijing has direct flights to NK which again I could be wrong but I think that is the only place that can fly directly to NK.
Anyways I was being more faciouse than actually serious as far as banning travel. But I was being dead serious about the monday morning QB's telling us they warned us X years ago. Yet it doesn't seem that any of their warnings including stopping travel/business with the CCP, which would of been the best and probably cheapest way to go about this.
So I would at least like them to be honest with their I told you so's and say along with PPE's and vacine investments y'all should of told China to fuck off until they stopped being authoritarian and un-hygenic.
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SushiReese
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It's not a conspiracy. Japanese standard of getting test before postpone Olympic was even stricter than U.S CDC's February standard(which causes many unreported cases and situation we had now). If you do not test enough, you simply don't have many cases report. Japan only conducted around 20000 tests for the whole 2 months until late March. Now after Olympics's postpone, Japan conducts 40000 more tests in just less than 2 weeks, and number starts to climb up.
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SushiReese
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So South Korea is part of China now? No wonder they could keep the number so low.
MichaelRR1989
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So South Korea is part of China now? No wonder they could keep the number so low.
I didn't notice that or think of that when I pulled up a map lol.
Tesseract
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eot
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Overwhelmed hospitals is not something they would've been able to hide though
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Oh, I don't mean to deny that Japan wasn't testing. That much was clear. It's just that their hospitalizations and deaths were low and mostly flat for a long time, and that wouldn't be something the government could have covered up effectively.
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What in the world... Had to turn off when he started positing that we could see up to 300,000 deaths PER DAY in America.
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