PharaoTutAnchAmun
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When you call 5-6 million limited.... When the PS4 released theyr where 7 million consoles available so, its not that bad...
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ethomaz
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That hints at even more expensive modules on Xbox side.
I still believes PS5 SSD is more expensive but it is not that is set in stone... most expensive part of the SSD are the NAND and PS5 has less (825GB vs 1TB).
All the others I/O related custom parts are inside the APU and it is very smaller units that won't add that much to overall size... WGP/CUs are the biggest part of the APU size.
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Arkam
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When you call 5-6 million limited.... When the PS4 released theyr where 7 million consoles available so, its not that bad...
And that is what 3x the PS3 sold at launch? Sounds like plenty to me unless world economy skyrockets this summer/fall.
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B_Boss
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Yoi should check out this article concerning Tuesday game releases
:The Weird Reason Why Video Games Are Released On Tuesdays
When it was time for a "Sonic" sequel, Sega knew it needed to do more than just release the game.
www.businessinsider.com
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Bonsaibäumchen
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Well if that was the case I'd say 99% of Sony fans were dumb fucks
.However I don't believe so. First you'd have to define the term Sony Fan, then you'd have to say how many PS4 Owners are sony Fans in % to actually matter. Then we could discuss about the impact this could have on Sonys business.
We could than theoryze if Sony would be more profitibal by selling their games also for the pc market or if that would actually hurt them in the long run.
I am actually a Playstation Fanboy. However I don't mind them selling their first party titles on pc. It wouldn't matter. I would still play their games and use their controllers and probably their VR products.
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Fun Fanboy
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That sucks for you. Sounds like it's your choice not to buy new games.
I forgot that Nintendo isn't a world wide company. :rollseyes:
VanSiriusGabriel
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Consoles are consoles and PCs are PCs. Habits and ecosystem is what defines the choice for masses.Well if that was the case I'd say 99% of Sony fans were dumb fucks
However I don't believe so. First you'd have to define the term Sony Fan, then you'd have to say how many PS4 Owners are sony Fans in % to actually matter. Then we could discuss about the impact this could have on Sonys business.
We could than theoryze if Sony would be more profitibal by selling their games also for the pc market or if that would actually hurt them in the long run.
I am actually a Playstation Fanboy. However I don't mind them selling their first party titles on pc. It wouldn't matter. I would still play their games and use their controllers and probably their VR products.
Still, consoles didn't die even when you had to wait for a fucking installing or download as you could't play at the same time, consoles will not have problems because some titles are coming to PC after a while.
Habits and connectivity are hella hard to dismiss.
VanSiriusGabriel
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It's a choice many would make, apparently, maybe that is what Sony is considering.
Rusco Da Vino
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According to Moores Law in Dead, the SSD I/O unit could be cheaper than we think (only $10 more than the XSX one) and that the real cost was in the development of the chip and not in its production.
Good info: (Timestamped)
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Physiognomonics
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7 million and very hard to find one during the first few months in most European countries.When you call 5-6 million limited.... When the PS4 released theyr where 7 million consoles available so, its not that bad...
Fun Fanboy
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So "don't release games now because I buy hard copies not digital and I can't go buy it."
And I'm like... "go ahead and release the game, I buy digital"
I guess nobody is wrong. But me and plenty others, hell, even ND it seems wants to get that game going. They can always release physical. I was at Target yesterday and bought an new X1X. Games are there too. Nobody stopping anyone from going to target and places like that.
Bonsaibäumchen
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Just read an article about Minecraft RTX. The 2080 RTX can't even manage to run it at 60FPS in 1080p. Thats why RT won't be heavily used on next gen consoles. Guess we will have to wait for another gen to see that in full effect.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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I remember getting excited back in 2013 for PS4 and PSVR because I thought we'd be able to watch footage from NASA satellites on stream, live, on planet surfaces and shit.
Man...I was a dumbass for that one
Planetary atmospheres don't take kindly to our tech after all, especially ones like Venus :S. BUT, if something could be figured out to, maybe, get stream feeds of live footage from the ISS and roaming satellites flying around the Earth that we could watch in VR, that'd be absolutely amazing tbh.Maybe it's unoptimized? Let's hope so.
I agree to an extent though; RT will have to be used selectively and smartly (and mixed with "fake" RT-like effects and techniques artistically) to get the most of it this gen at wide scale and optimal levels of performance in framerate.
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FeiRR
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Did you even read the first sentence I wrote?
Bonsaibäumchen
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I remember getting excited back in 2013 for PS4 and PSVR because I thought we'd be able to watch footage from NASA satellites on stream, live, on planet surfaces and shit.
Man...I was a dumbass for that one
Maybe it's unoptimized? Let's hope so.
I agree to an extent though; RT will have to be used selectively and smartly (and mixed with "fake" RT-like effects and techniques artistically) to get the most of it this gen at wide scale and optimal levels of performance in framerate.
Thanks im going to ask Elon Musk over at Twitter if hes going to make something like that happen.
VanSiriusGabriel
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I get you, but it seems is not just Sony. It seems other game were planned to at least being presented and didn't. Maybe they will not change the release, but a game needs a certain time frame for marketing. If it's too narrow, maybe better delay.
I don't know.
Neo Blaster
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I don't know, I'm yet to see a RT example that really makes me go WOW. Recently I saw some pictures of Uncharted 1 running in 4k with RT on a PS3 emulator. When comparing RT on and off, all I could see was a brighter image when RT was on, not impressed at all. Maybe it was a bad example after all, but I want proof this tech isn't just a resource hog with small benefits.
CrysisFreak
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Guys you need to check out the new Minecraft Raytracing videos that just went up. Raytracing is the fucking future, it looks insane, a shame that it's going to take another generation before fully blossoming...
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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He would be the one, wouldn't he? Space X better get to it before NASA does.
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Arkam
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Yall all saw this right https://www.xbox.com/en-US/
Think that is XSX news? MS gonna drop the fire on 4/20?
Think that is XSX news? MS gonna drop the fire on 4/20?
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IntentionalPun
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They hit 60 much of the time with 4k DLSS (1080p internal) over at DF with a 2080TI.
But it still looks like nicely lit dogshit, I really don't get excited for these old school graphics + RTX deals.. think it makes it all look worse somehow lol
But yeah people need to have low expectations for RT for consoles... they might be able to beat those low expectations but it's best not to expect much at this point, lot of unknowns with AMD being new to it too.
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SportsFan581
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Calendar marked. It reminds me of SplinterCell the way they did the graphics. Is the red insignia representative of anything?
Imtjnotu
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I thought Xbox had 4
SportsFan581
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That's the rumor I've seen as well, but I have seen people say 8. The speeds look really out of place for an 8 channel SSD (too slow). The XSX SSD would use modules with greater density, but nothing ridiculous (you can get 1TB and even 2TB I think in a single nand chip, but those are pricey).
Bonsaibäumchen
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Can you make a screenshot? Wen't there didn't see shit that would tease something?
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SportsFan581
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There's a video effect that makes the page look as if it is hacked. Says to return in 4 days.
Imtjnotu
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Xbox Series X SSD: DRAM-less PCIe 4.0 NVMe with up to 3.7GB/sec speeds
Microsoft's new next-gen Xbox Series X may use a DRAM-less SSD with up to 3.75GB/sec read/write speeds.
www.tweaktown.com
From the supposed ssd
"https://www.tweaktown.com/news/7010...ss-pcie-4-nvme-up-3-7gb-sec-speeds/index.html"
SenjutsuSage
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Minecraft is using a far more demanding version of ray tracing, fully path traced that's way more demanding than the version of RT in Control or Metro Exodus, which I think are both hybrid methods.
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THEAP99
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It is a CyberPunk Xbox One
Bonsaibäumchen
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joe_zazen
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Bonsaibäumchen
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The Xbox looks nice. The controller not so much.
I kinda hate it that CDPR works so close with Nvidia and MS.
Well dosn't matter Witcher 3 is still top tier shit. And GoG is really great. ( Read the books before playing the game before watching the series
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ethomaz
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What exactly I have to look?
MisterXDTV
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Do they really expect people to buy an Xbox One X right now?
Wow
Wow
Andodalf
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Should they just pull the One and X from market?
SportsFan581
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The reality is that millions are just now getting a One or PS4. Crazy IMO, but it happens every time.
Wonder if this will announce a new revision of One X or just a skinned version of the existing?
MisterXDTV
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No they should just lower the price on existing stock, not create new bundles for a dead console...
We know that Lockhart is coming as well as Series X
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mckmas8808
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What does PCB stand for?
SportsFan581
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Neo Blaster
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I assumed 8 because that's what is found on the market, but I'm not sure.
IntentionalPun
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SonGoku
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Pretty much, his exact words were less than a million rays a second for audio and 100s of millions rays/sec for shadows/reflections
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Bo_Hazem
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Bo_Hazem that is one crazy liking spree you went on.
Now I'm so confused why you laugh reacted to one of my posts though
Well, I see many great efforts around and I usually throw a like as a sign of appreciation of a genuine effort, not necessarily sharing the same opinion (which doesn't mean that I'm the right one).
And the reason that I laughed was this:
- Might be able to squeeze some power budget from the CPU (Smartshift)
- Might have to lower the GPU frequency (not Smartshift)
No ridicule intended, just sounded funny.
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IntentionalPun
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oh lol
Well for whatever reason people were getting semantic about what part of the PS5 tech is Smartshift or not.
Personally think it's a pointless distinction; but from what I can tell Smartshift describes dynamically shifting power between CPU/GPU whereas the GPU itself downclocking by workload (without shifting power to CPU) wouldn't be smartshift.
But I don't know why anyone cares about that distinction lol
FeiRR
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Sorry, I don't get the wow effect. I saw GI, water reflections and god rays years ago. Faked but still almost the same in perception. It's a terrible waste of compute resources.
Bo_Hazem
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Thank you, man. I'm honored.
Well, I'm on board with SonGoku here that it's a wattage budget that we're talking about, not frequency. Meaning the wattage could change while both being at max all the time, same with other PC GPU's that will throttle when they hit too much heat.
So it's not directly about one sharing frequency from the other, but you know in some scenarios the same frequencies could draw much more wattage which might result into overheating and throttling. Sony have tried higher clocks, as stated by Cerny, but they settled down to those so far with minor tweaks open for a change before launch, wither higher or lower. And of course, that's while putting in mind the cooling system and so.
IntentionalPun
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There's some confusion regarding the underlying technology since they both (PS5 & AMD generic smartshift) adjust frequency/power based on loads. The Key differentiators however are:
PS5
AMD APU Smartshift
- SoC has a fixed power budget (300W) GPU & CPU each have a power budget within SoC. Say the reference values are GPU 250W & CPU 50W
- Smartshift only diverts power to GPU if there are leftover CPU resources while at 3.5GHz and GPU is exceeding its power budget. CPU only using 30W so 20W diverted to GPU->270W
- Smartshift never diverts power from GPU to CPU
- Developers can choose to prioritize GPU over CPU by increasing the GPU power budget (250W->270W) and decreasing CPU budget (50->30W). CPU will run on average slower (3.2GHz) but for less power intensive tasks go up to 3.5Ghz. GPU would be able to run at 10.27TF with the rare few percentage frequency drop depending of load (10.27TF<->10TF). This is the likely scenario developers spoke of to DF where they throttled CPU in order to ensure a sustained 2.23GHz clock on the GPU. Note this is not smartshift
Power and frequency balance between CPU & GPU happens all the time bidirectionally depending of the type of loads
Can get throttled by thermals
Numbers are just made up for the explanation
While writing the above explanation i realized my mistake, thanks
True
While technically possible what would be the purpose of diverting power to GPU that it doesn't need (wont use)
Great details there, mate.
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ethomaz
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Printed circuit board.
It is that green board where you sit all the components... it is where the buses that connect all the components are printed too... when a device has only one PCB it is called Motherboard.
In most case the higher the bus more bulky is the PCB... for example to have a 320bits bus need one or two PCB layers added compared with a 256bits bus.
New Xbox uses 2 PCB separated from each other.
The one that have the 320bits bus will probably have 6 layers while the other more simple will be probably a 4 layers one.
PS5 PCB will probably be 4 layers.
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