nush
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You just typed out exactly what I was going to. Good work and yes it's a possible solution.
Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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You just typed out exactly what I was going to. Good work and yes it's a possible solution.
infinitys_7th
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Far more people may have been infected by coronavirus in one California county, study estimates | CNN
Far more people may have been infected with Covid-19 than have been confirmed by health officials in Santa Clara County, California, according to a study released Friday in preprint.
www.cnn.com
Sorry for the CCPNN, but at least there are hard numbers:
There is a growing body of evidence that we are off by anywhere from 10x to 100x on what the true total numbers of infections are, which means that the true death rate is 10 to 100x less than what we are seeing. It could be possible that the death rate of COVID-19 is barely higher or even slightly lower than the flu (0.1% or 1-in-1000) - it is just much more infectious and spreadable, so the overall death numbers are higher, and infects many more people asymptomatically so they are unlikely to be tested.
Of course, if the flu managed to infect the entire US we would expect 330,000 people to die, so we would still need to contain it, but if these stats stay consistent individuals do not have much to worry about. Ironically, it could really just be the flu on an individual basis.
Why not just rope it off, or send police to watch it? Eventually someone is going to have to clear out all that sand. Sounds like it is just making money for some local construction group - fill it up, then clean it out.
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Rock And Roll
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Serious question outside of money how exactly has Trudeau been killing this? They took their sweet time getting off their asses and even the CBC called them out for it.
There was decent intelligence ahead of time but also was ignored. On top of that they have refused to call China out for lying and falsifying the situation while almost every other country in the world does so. Not to mention the recent donation of nearly $1 000 000 to the Wuhan lab. And even with the fine print trying to justify that donation, maybe we shouldn't be giving money to a source our closest ally is investigating.
$2000 is fantastic and it is helping a lot of Canadians who desperately need money. But they have not been "killing" this situation. If it weren't for the money, their actions would be completely unforgivable.
JordanN
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Bad news: both my parents are now covid-19 positive. 
I asked my dad what are his symptoms and he said, he's a little dizzy, his chest hurts sometimes and his left leg hurts. But he says he can still breathe ok. Same with my mother.
But my mom's voice is back to normal though.
I asked my dad what are his symptoms and he said, he's a little dizzy, his chest hurts sometimes and his left leg hurts. But he says he can still breathe ok. Same with my mother.
But my mom's voice is back to normal though.
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infinitys_7th
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And not to mention them depleting their mask stockpile by giving it to the red menace.
diffusionx
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In a typical year NY state sees about 4500 deaths from flu: (taken from CDC)
How many deaths from Coronavirus is NY state at right now? 14k?
But it's just the same death rate as the flu right? Give me a break.
Does that include the deaths that NYC "think" were caused by COVID without evidence?
diffusionx
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Hopefully people are starting to get the reality of this. These people are power hungry maniacs. All of them. They don't want to lead a free people. They don't want to keep us safe in a bad emergency. They want to control our lives and break us until we submit. This is when their true colors are coming out.
Careful people here will call you an idiot for suggesting that.
Setzer
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Sorry to hear that,Bad news: both my parents are now covid-19 positive.
I asked my dad what are his symptoms and he said, he's a little dizzy, his chest hurts sometimes and his left leg hurts. But he says he can still breathe ok. Same with my mother.
But my mom's voice is back to normal though.
JordanN
. I wish them both a speedy recovery. Sounds like their symptoms are mild at this point which is good.
Phunkydiabetic
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Well, no response has been perfect world wide and I hope there are some serious questions that are answered when all this is over cause there is always room for improvement. But as i said, when it came down to it Canada managed to step up and buckle right the fuck down. Look at our infection rates. Look at our deaths. Those numbers there are enough to say Canada is killing it on the response side. Hospitals prepared themselves for an overload of cases and across the nation many are reporting they havent seen the influx that they were expecting. No doubt that could be attributed to quick and decisive shutdowns of schools and other gathering areas and eventually the shutdown of none essential businesses. All of which occurred far earlier in the infection rate numbers than in the U.S. (for example). We didnt wait until the situation was dire before reacting. Could it have been earlier? Of course, but thankfully we didnt fuck around as long as other countries have.
As for the financial side, firstly it isnt just $2000. You get $2000 a month for four months. After those four months if you still cannot return to work then regular EI benefits kick in, and EI can last up to 45 weeks. That alone goes an incredibly long way to easing the stress for a large portion of Canadians. That also allows people to not have to make the shitty decision of "work or stay home and isolate?"
Beyond that they just announced that loans and rent help for small businesses are in place, support for the arts, sports and energy sectors. There is even support for those still working but whose income has been affected. Seasonal workers, who wouldve been close to exhausting their EI benefits by now are covered by the CERB. Farmers, fisherman, people who have to stay home to take care of kids who arent in school or people who are sick get benefits. The child tax benefits (baby bonus) have been boosted massively. GST credit has been boosted. Seniors have had their Guaranteed Annual Income System boosted. Hydro rates have been lowered to off peak hours all the time and student loans payments have been suspended. Even people who are self employed, the group of people that typically get the shaft when it comes to any sort of government assistance, are getting help.
And possibly most important of all, at least in Ontario, they have lowered the prices of legal marijuana. What a country.
There is probably more im missing but these things are what sticks out in my mind because they talk about them constantly here. Yeah, there is room for improvement, there always is. And yeah there will be people who will totally have some deserved criticism thrown there way and rightfully so. But in the grand scheme of things, when you look at Canada's response relative to the rest of the world, I feel totally comfortable with saying that my country is "killing it".
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Time to chop off your balls guys.
www.latimes.com
Do testicles make men more vulnerable to the coronavirus?
Men contending with coronavirus infection may have a pair of vulnerabilities that could increase their risk of longer, more severe illness: their testicles.
www.latimes.com
JordanN
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Wait, then how come I'm told I have to reapply after 4 weeks if I wanted to receive more?
Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB) - Canada.ca
The Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB) gives financial support to employed and self-employed Canadians who are directly affected by COVID-19.
So $2000 is a one time payment, but you can make another claim again later.
DeepEnigma
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Time to chop off your balls guys.
Do testicles make men more vulnerable to the coronavirus?
Men contending with coronavirus infection may have a pair of vulnerabilities that could increase their risk of longer, more severe illness: their testicles.
Bad news: both my parents are now covid-19 positive.
I asked my dad what are his symptoms and he said, he's a little dizzy, his chest hurts sometimes and his left leg hurts. But he says he can still breathe ok. Same with my mother.
But my mom's voice is back to normal though.
Keep us posted.
Lots of water, lots of rest. If their lungs get congested they should lie in the prone position (on their belly). If they have a fever, let it ride. The fever is the manner in which our body fights the virus.
Phunkydiabetic
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I hope you show the same disdain for Trump when he sent nearly 18 tons of medical equipment to "the red menace" back in February, conveniently at the same time when he was downplaying the virus to Americans.
Who am I kidding, you wont do that haha.
infinitys_7th
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Is it $2000 per month plus unemployment or $2000 per month for four months followed by unemployment after?
If it's the first, that is much less than the US program for the unemployed - they are getting their regular unemployment plus an extra $2400 per month ($600 per week) plus one $1200 payment (which will likely be followed by others.
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diffusionx
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Time to chop off your balls guys.
Do testicles make men more vulnerable to the coronavirus?
Men contending with coronavirus infection may have a pair of vulnerabilities that could increase their risk of longer, more severe illness: their testicles.
Stunning and brave
Phunkydiabetic
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Wait, then how come I'm told I have to reapply after 4 weeks if I wanted to receive more?
Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB) - Canada.ca
The Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB) gives financial support to employed and self-employed Canadians who are directly affected by COVID-19.www.canada.ca
So $2000 is a one time payment, but you can make another claim again later.
Yes. They are treating it as an EI style of reporting. From what I understand you reapply again each month up to 16 weeks. It is a bit different for me because I applied for EI a week BEFORE the CERB began. So right now I'm technically on CERB but my reporting is done through EI. So every two weeks I receive $1000 up to $8000 over 16 weeks. After that if my job hasnt restarted (I was laid off) then my regular EI benefits will start.
Stouffers
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Shouldn't Trudeau buxx be called Tru-dough?
infinitys_7th
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US shipped donated masks, equipment to China in February
National shortages of masks, gowns and other personal protective equipment have exacerbated concerns that U.S. doctors a
www.politifact.com
So while Americans sent it, the "US" did not. These were private donations.
Even if you consider these to be "US" donations, we (with 330 million people) and you (with 37 million people) sent almost the same amount of equipment. Canada's supply was much more damaged, and that was a government decision.
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Kagey K
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The latter. 2000/month and once the 4 months are up your regular EI kicks in.
Edit: They also aren't deducting any tax on it, so when you file your tax return next year you will owe money back to them.
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Stouffers
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He should tell his parents to lie in the prone-bone position?
infinitys_7th
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States are holding up unemployment, including the $600 per week bonus from the federal government:
You know, this pandemic would be a great time for states across the country to hire workers to improve their unemployment (and other service) systems. Neither party in Congress suggested allocating money for this (Dems were too busy worrying about vagina ratios and aiding voter fraud, and Republicans never care about streamlining bureaucracy because "muh costs") but the next stimulus package should do this. Keep the systems decentralized, but give states money to update them.
A bit of a saving grace, but states really need to up their game soon.
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Rock And Roll
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Fair enough. I do think we did a good job reacting once it got here and we didn't let things get out of hand, but that more has to do with the provincial government's than the federal. The money is great but I am still baffled/concerned with our response to China. It is embarrassing and makes me wonder how much we've been bought off.
JordanN
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Lol, it's really bad.
If you're in British Columbia, they are still doing birth tourism.
‘Birth tourism’ apparently continuing in B.C. during COVID-19 outbreak | Watch News Videos Online
Watch ‘Birth tourism’ apparently continuing in B.C. during COVID-19 outbreak Video Online, on GlobalNews.ca
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infinitys_7th
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Try calling your state rep's office; if they are worth a damn and are not bogged down with other requests, they can apply some pressure to the unemployment office. Have you evaluated how much you should be receiving (outside the $600)?
My state rep is a useless Dem who won't help.
Phunkydiabetic
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Captain Zyrain
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Far more people may have been infected by coronavirus in one California county, study estimates | CNN
Far more people may have been infected with Covid-19 than have been confirmed by health officials in Santa Clara County, California, according to a study released Friday in preprint.
Sorry for the CCPNN, but at least there are hard numbers:
There is a growing body of evidence that we are off by anywhere from 10x to 100x on what the true total numbers of infections are, which means that the true death rate is 10 to 100x less than what we are seeing. It could be possible that the death rate of COVID-19 is barely higher or even slightly lower than the flu (0.1% or 1-in-1000) - it is just much more infectious and spreadable, so the overall death numbers are higher, and infects many more people asymptomatically so they are unlikely to be tested.
Of course, if the flu managed to infect the entire US we would expect 330,000 people to die, so we would still need to contain it, but if these stats stay consistent individuals do not have much to worry about. Ironically, it could really just be the flu on an individual basis.
The thing is, how many people who get the regular flu are asymptomatic? I have to imagine there are untold numbers of cases that are never diagnosed, so even literally 'just the flu' is less deadly than normally stated. I would guess the numbers we see are based on cases showing symptoms.
I doubt there is any way to reliably test everyone, especially for asymptomatic people.
I honestly think sCFR, symptomatic case fatality rate is at least more useful until they find a way to test if people are immune. At least that way you'll know your odds if you start showing symptoms. If 1:1000 die in total but 3:100 die with symptoms, the people who actually get sick won't give a shit about the rosey outlook.
Phunkydiabetic
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You nailed it, "once it got here". And that's the sort of shit I hope (but am not expecting) people will need to answer for when the time comes. There needs to be a shitload of questioning on how this was handled and how we can do better moving forward.
And to be honest I think the federal and provincial leaders have both stepped up respectfully. I loathe Doug Ford. Fuckin terrible premiere after we just dealt with years of the previously terrible premiere. Yet when the shit hit the fan the guy wasted no time stepping up to the plate and got shit done. His prior leadership was at best but when the people of Ontario needed him to deal with the shit he did it. Stayed way ahead of the game in regards to closures and implementing other things to deal with the situation. He wasnt exactly the most well liked or respected person/premiere but he is doing a great job when it counts. One of the best turn arounds I can think of in recent Ontario politics.
As for the response to china, pfff haha. I expect nothing. We are beholden to not just China but the U.S. as well and we have gotten much shit for our "weakness" (for a lack of a better term) and I expect nothing much to come of it to be honest. Though I am ready to be pleasantly surprised.
infinitys_7th
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The fraction of influenza virus infections that are asymptomatic: a systematic review and meta-analysis - PMC
The fraction of persons with influenza virus infection who do not report any signs or symptoms throughout the course of infection is referred to as the asymptomatic fraction. We conducted a systematic review and meta-analysis of published estimates ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
So somewhere around 16% of flu infections are asymptomatic, although it could be as high as 65%.
If we assume that most confirmed cases of the Kung Flu are people who felt sufficiently concerning symptoms to prompt them to get tested, then the Santa Clara stats suggest that at least 80-90% of people infected could be asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic such that they did not think they could have it. And this was an antibody test, so those who were tested who discovered they had it should be immune for some period of time. If there is another class who get infected and survive but do not develop antibodies, then that further reduces the mortality rate.
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cryptoadam
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Based on a lot of the safety literature thats come out the past weeks I would have to say its rimming. So go eat some ass and you will probably get the Corona Chan.
JordanN
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I say it all the time in the politics section, but left and right don't bother me, what matters is politicians who can actually put their country first.
I never voted for Trudeau (although I almost did back in 2015 but bailed out at the last second), but I still support him trying to keep Canada on its feet. Even if you dislike your leader for other reasons, it makes no sense to try and sabotage them in the process.
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Phunkydiabetic
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Haha this comment is Canadian as hell. Good on ya man. I totally understand what you're saying. My reasons for disliking Trudeau arent because he is "left" or "liberal" in the same why my dislike for Ford isnt because he is "right" or "conservative". Politics are far too complex to boil it down to "you are either left or "right".
Smiles and Cries
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welp I have a fever with the itchy throat
let's see what the next few days bring... not going to go anywhere unless I start feeling really sick
let's see what the next few days bring... not going to go anywhere unless I start feeling really sick
cryptoadam
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In Quebec our deaths break down
0-29: 0%
30-59: 2%
60-69: 9%
70+: 89%
Total 805 deaths.
Under 60 only 16 people died. Less than 100 under 70.
We also have had huge problem in our old age homes and its going to be a huge scandal.
0-29: 0%
30-59: 2%
60-69: 9%
70+: 89%
Total 805 deaths.
Under 60 only 16 people died. Less than 100 under 70.
We also have had huge problem in our old age homes and its going to be a huge scandal.
Setzer
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We've had 624 deaths in WA state and here's our breakdown:
0-19: 0%
20-39: 0%
40-59: 8%
60-79: 37%
80+: 54%
008
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Hang in there. Thanks for all you've contributed to this thread
Chaplain
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"Scientists in Oxford are hoping to have created a million doses of a coronavirus vaccine by September. They are one of a group of research teams who are to receive funding from a new government task force leading the search for a vaccine. " 4/17/20)
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Insane Metal
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Our education minister said universities that remain open during the pandemic will be rewarded.
Can any non brazillian gaffer adopt me? PLEASE?
Can any non brazillian gaffer adopt me? PLEASE?
Yes, you're supposed to put candies on them in case you get quarantine cravings.
nush
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Bad news: both my parents are now covid-19 positive.
I asked my dad what are his symptoms and he said, he's a little dizzy, his chest hurts sometimes and his left leg hurts. But he says he can still breathe ok. Same with my mother.
But my mom's voice is back to normal though.
RIP JorndanN, can I have your videogames?
/JK stay safe bro 
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