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NY virus deaths hit 2-week low; state to OK video weddings

The daily increase in coronavirus deaths in New York state has dropped under 550 for the first time in over two weeks as hospitalizations continue to decline

abcnews.go.com

So that is 13k deaths confirmed with coronavirus. Still 3x more than the typical deaths in a flu season, with lockdowns/significant social distancing, and it is going to keep going higher. But yeah it's just the same as the flu.

There's a vaccine for the flu. Deaths would be way higher...

 

[hariseldon]

My colleagues in Bydgoszcz said if the police see you without a mask, they just give you one.

Don't they at least buy you a drink first?

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Sigh

People die for their beliefs. If you don't die for your belief, you've died for nothing. I support people like her on her spiritual quest to find sanity and reason. She's standing up for something she believes in to the point of physical danger. It's her choice not yours, not mine, not the majority's. That's my reasoning and I won't change that. She's a political prisoner, a problem for society, "get rid of her".

What the fuck are you talking about? This dumb cunt is going to infect others and they may die over it. It isn't about HER being in danger but putting others in danger. How can you not get that?

 

[12Goblins]

^it's just virtue signalling. they think they look smart doing that shit



this was great, guy is something out of a scorsese movie

 

[Insane Metal]

Don't say this without any context. This measure is correct. Brazilian universities are completely closed, not even online classes are happening. Some have already decided that classes will only resume in January imagine the harm for a country that delays education for a whole year. Online classes are possible.

He's not talking about online classes.

 

[lock2k]

This is cringe city.

If the handshake is dead, meeting new people and fucking and real relationships are also dead? Surely the situation is terrible but this approach is ridiculous. Things are bound to go back to normal someday.

 

[cryptoadam]

Wonder if we see the usual sunday dip today.

 

[ManaByte]

There's a vaccine for the flu. Deaths would be way higher...

The flu vaccine is never 100%. It's a guess at what strain would be going around each season.

 

[008]

The handshake is not fucking dead. Once this shit settles down I'm gonna handshake people like I'm Jorah shaking Sam's hand. I'm gonna double hand that fucker.

I'll just leave you hanging

 

[Mr Nash]

Yikes, looks like they re-opened a beach in Florida and it was instantly swamped with people. I guess this is a warning that regions will need to be extra vigilant while trying to re-open. Crowds like this probably aren't a good idea.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

Yikes, looks like they re-opened a beach in Florida and it was instantly swamped with people. I guess this is a warning that regions will need to be extra vigilant while trying to re-open. Crowds like this probably aren't a good idea.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Yikes, looks like they re-opened a beach in Florida and it was instantly swamped with people. I guess this is a warning that regions will need to be extra vigilant while trying to re-open. Crowds like this probably aren't a good idea.

Florida is like 80% old people why would they think this is a good idea?

 

[rykomatsu]

What the fuck are you talking about? This dumb cunt is going to infect others and they may die over it. It isn't about HER being in danger but putting others in danger. How can you not get that?

REEEEEEEEE

If people are so worried about being put at risk, then they should self isolate.

There's some risk every time I go out for essential activities - I deem that risk acceptable, knowing full well that I may catch the virus. That also, by proxy, means that by virtue of normal day-to-day activity and behavior, there's consent to accidentally transmit the virus to me. Whether that be because they were breathing aerosols, touched an item I was going to pick up, w/e.

As long as some idiot isn't running around deliberately coughing and spitting on someone or collecting their sputum in a spray bottle and spraying it somewhere, shit happens - I deal with it, we deal with it.

If you want to stay indoors in a hermetically sealed environment until a vaccine is available, then by all means, feel free to do so. There are services out there that will let you live in the comfort of your own home without taking a step off of your property.

Not everyone has the luxury to stay on their own property and support their family without doing so. For those people, the impacts of COVID come second (or third) to being able to support their family - they have basic needs that they need to fulfill first. It's the same god damn reason there are a lot of people that don't want ACA. Healthcare means nothing if first and foremost people can't support their family with the basic needs of food, shelter, and clothing. The individual mandate reduces the ability for an individual to provide for the basics.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I did not read

Read the previous posts. I have no idea why you are bringing up things that have nothing to do with a person that goes out without a fucking mask as a political statement.

 

[Jtibh]

As a white hetero male with none interracial family i am part of the problem.

And i am ok with it

 

[ManaByte]

Not everyone has the luxury to stay on their own property and support their family without doing so. For those people, the impacts of COVID come second (or third) to being able to support their family - they have basic needs that they need to fulfill first. It's the same god damn reason there are a lot of people that don't want ACA. Healthcare means nothing if first and foremost people can't support their family with the basic needs of food, shelter, and clothing. The individual mandate reduces the ability for an individual to provide for the basics.

Which is why any Dem governor (outside of NYC) who tries to extend lockdowns past Mid-May had better be prepared for a rebellion in their state.

 

[holygeesus]

UK daily deaths today 596, lowest since 6 April.

While that is good news, it should be tempered by the fact that reporting does seem inconsistent at the weekends. Expect a rise tomorrow again.

 

[cryptoadam]

New method of testing for coronavirus in under a minute, by Israeli tech

The new method, will allow for a quick and simple diagnostic test, which can be used anywhere, from airports, to hotels.

m.jpost.com

 

[eot]

^it's just virtue signalling. they think they look smart doing that shit



this was great, guy is something out of a scorsese movie

Super spreader detected.

Holy fuck it's raining saliva

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Sigh



What the fuck are you talking about? This dumb cunt is going to infect others and they may die over it. It isn't about HER being in danger but putting others in danger. How can you not get that?

Who is she putting in danger if everyone is staying at home and "social distancing" the fuck away from her?

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Who is she putting in danger if everyone is staying at home and "social distancing" the fuck away from her?

Read the previous posts. I have no idea why you are bringing up things that have nothing to do with a person that goes out without a fucking mask as a political statement.

I mean...

 

[M1chl]

Face protection (mask, scarf etc.) is mandatory in Poland since yesterday, so if Police sees you without it you're going to pay. The best part is that health minister said that's going to be like that until vaccine is ready, fuck me... I'm going to look like my avatar

About vaccines and stuff:

It's probably going to be like in Czech Republic, if you are outside without mask and not in Public Transport (maybe somewhere else tho, but I know about public transport in here being that one place, where you without mask get's up to 10 000 CZK fine), you will get a mask. Because I don't know about your country, but in here we have basically zero fucking nothing. People sew mask in home. Even I helped my GF with them, although it was unusual and thus fun. We took them to our families, since I have a lot of protective equipment from hospital.

 

[Armorian]

My colleagues in Bydgoszcz said if the police see you without a mask, they just give you one.

I doubt this is common, goverment likes to collect as many fines as possible right now to patch leaking budget.

It's probably going to be like in Czech Republic, if you are outside without mask and not in Public Transport (maybe somewhere else tho, but I know about public transport in here being that one place, where you without mask get's up to 10 000 CZK fine), you will get a mask. Because I don't know about your country, but in here we have basically zero fucking nothing. People sew mask in home. Even I helped my GF with them, although it was unusual and thus fun. We took them to our families, since I have a lot of protective equipment from hospital.

I think you will get fine everywhere outside your house and (maybe) work right now but I'm not 100% sure. I think masks are still available in shops, posts offices etc. but many people make make and sell them themselves, new business opportunities are rising.

Starting tommorow they are opening country a bit: you can now be outside your house without any major reason, minors above 13 are now able to go alone (so far with parents before under 18) and parks and forrests are avaialble again.

 

[Sakura]

There's a vaccine for the flu. Deaths would be way higher...

Less than half the population gets vaccinated, so I'm not sure how high you would expect the death rate to be if the 45% who DO get vaccinated, didn't. It's not like it would skyrocket to coronavirus numbers.
Even if we assumed some crazy breakdown like 3500 of the 4500 deaths in NY are amongst the 55% that aren't vaccinated, and only 1000 of the 45% who are, die, by removing vaccinations, you're still only looking at 6500 deaths or so. Hell, let's go all out and say 0 people who are vaccinated die. Remove vaccinations and deaths for the full year would still only be what, 8500 or so?
Regardless, what exactly is your point? The issue is how dangerous the coronavirus is right now. Lack of a vaccine plays into that. If we had a working vaccine already then yes, it wouldn't be a huge issue. But we don't. Which is kind of the point.

 

[triplestation]

goddamn its sunny out

 

[RAL1992]

While that is good news, it should be tempered by the fact that reporting does seem inconsistent at the weekends. Expect a rise tomorrow again.

Hopefully, we'll continue to see a downturn in cases and deaths but the lag in terms of recording in the UK undermines everything, I've just read an article that PHE are going to reccomend vitamin d supplements soon, it may be a case that there are home remedies to somewhat alliveate / protect against it before a vaccine is created.

 

[Nymphae]

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

UK daily deaths today 596, lowest since 6 April.

I'm not even sure these UK 'daily' death figures are that helpful as from what I've been reading the (England) numbers aren't just for the previous day. For example today's latest numbers most are from the last 3 days but 56 were from the 1st-15th April and even 3 from March. Even on the news they talk like all the deaths occurred entirely on the previous day so no wonder everyone is confused.

 

[LemmingWithaParachute]

When you play game and things get a little too close to home:

 

[Jtibh]

 

[Deleted member 17706]

This would be insane if true. Definitely going to look into this a little more, because forgive me, but I'm a bit skeptical of carefully constructed videos with ominous background music.

 

[Alx]

Yeah Luc Montagnier's credibility seems to be... "debatable" to say the least. In the interview where he claimed the virus was crossed with HIV, he also said he could cure it with "electromagnetic waves" (also the HIV thing had been debunked by other scientists earlier). He's also an anti-vaxxer, supported the homeopathy theory of "water memory" and claimed you can cure Parkinson with fermented papaya juice.

 

[Setzer]

It doesn't surprise me since Hospitals will get more from from Medicare if a patient dies with COVID.

 

[cryptoadam]

This would be insane if true. Definitely going to look into this a little more, because forgive me, but I'm a bit skeptical of carefully constructed videos with ominous background music.

apparently this guy is a bit of a nut bar and a very controversial figure.

I really don't think the man made theory is valid and I have to defer to Fauci on this one who completely dismissed it.

It could still have leaked from a lab, and CCP 100% covered up the initial outbreak. But the man made theory has very very weak to no evidence behind it.

 

[Jtibh]

apparently this guy is a bit of a nut bar and a very controversial figure.

I really don't think the man made theory is valid and I have to defer to Fauci on this one who completely dismissed it.

It could still have leaked from a lab, and CCP 100% covered up the initial outbreak. But the man made theory has very very weak to no evidence behind it.

Its just proof nothing of quality ever comes from china.
It may be from a lab but they had a hard time copying from us so they just slapped some virus together with hiv and other stuff which is true that it has traces of hiv in it.

This virus will last as long as my chinese coffee machine.
1 year tops

 

[JimmyRustler]

Has English subtitles too. Renown professor criticizing the measures that have been taken.

I'm slowly getting on board with this crap being totally overblown. Cinemas around here have been said to not open until August. AUGUST! This is nuts. Hell, just today I read an article claiming it won't be before 2022 or 23 until a somewhat normal life returns. Like, WTF? Get fucking life going again. If I'm one of those to bite the dust so be it. Better than to crash the fucking economy. And police are acting like fucking Rambos around here by now. And it's not gonna get better.

 

[ManaByte]

Has English subtitles too. Renown professor criticizing the measures that have been taken.

I'm slowly getting on board with this crap being totally overblown. Cinemas around here have been said to not open until August. AUGUST! This is nuts. Hell, just today I read an article claiming it won't be before 2022 or 23 until a somewhat normal life returns. Like, WTF? Get fucking life going again. If I'm one of those to bite the dust so be it. Better than to crash the fucking economy. And police are acting like fucking Rambos around here by now. And it's not gonna get better.

Pretty sure most of the panic porn will die off around November.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Joe T.]

I'm slowly getting on board with this crap being totally overblown. Cinemas around here have been said to not open until August. AUGUST! This is nuts. Hell, just today I read an article claiming it won't be before 2022 or 23 until a somewhat normal life returns. Like, WTF? Get fucking life going again. If I'm one of those to bite the dust so be it. Better than to crash the fucking economy. And police are acting like fucking Rambos around here by now. And it's not gonna get better.

I'm with you on that. Life without liberty isn't much of a life.

On week six of shutdown measures here and I was already annoyed just hearing that our target date to re-open the economy was pushed back a few days. Understandable, but frustrating. Cancelling festivals, concerts and other large events 3, 4, even 6+ months away as many cities have done strikes me as a rush to judgement considering how little we still know and how quickly everything is changing. What gain is there to cancelling those now as opposed to a few weeks before they were scheduled, a "wow" factor to help convince the masses this needs to be taken seriously?

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I'm with you on that. Life without liberty isn't much of a life.

On week six of shutdown measures here and I was already annoyed just hearing that our target date to re-open the economy was pushed back a few days. Understandable, but frustrating. Cancelling festivals, concerts and other large events 3, 4, even 6+ months away as many cities have done strikes me as a rush to judgement considering how little we still know and how quickly everything is changing. What gain is there to cancelling those now as opposed to a few weeks before they were scheduled, a "wow" factor to help convince the masses this needs to be taken seriously?

I get it when it comes to big events. I've been involved in event organization before and you need to make a lot of investments well in advance. It's even worse when you're booking tons of different people and organizations to attend or set up their own booths. If there's big uncertainty that you may not be able to host the event, you will save yourself a ton of money and stress later on to just cancel it well in advance.

 

[DragoonKain]

There's a vaccine for the flu. Deaths would be way higher...

What people have to realize is deaths for this are lower because of the social distancing. If no one social distanced like the flu, we'd probably have over 100,000 dead in the US already. And if people social distanced and quarantined for the flu, the flu would have significantly less deaths to scale than the coronavirus.

 

[diffusionx]

Less than half the population gets vaccinated, so I'm not sure how high you would expect the death rate to be if the 45% who DO get vaccinated, didn't. It's not like it would skyrocket to coronavirus numbers.
Even if we assumed some crazy breakdown like 3500 of the 4500 deaths in NY are amongst the 55% that aren't vaccinated, and only 1000 of the 45% who are, die, by removing vaccinations, you're still only looking at 6500 deaths or so. Hell, let's go all out and say 0 people who are vaccinated die. Remove vaccinations and deaths for the full year would still only be what, 8500 or so?
Regardless, what exactly is your point? The issue is how dangerous the coronavirus is right now. Lack of a vaccine plays into that. If we had a working vaccine already then yes, it wouldn't be a huge issue. But we don't. Which is kind of the point.

So first of all, is that 4500 flu deaths per year for people CONFIRMED to have the flu? We don't know how those numbers are derived, and we also know the vast majority of people are not tested for the flu every year. If deaths by flu were treated the same as deaths by COVID I have a feeling that number would be much higher.

The virus is dangerous for people who are extremely old, are obese, have serious chronic illnesses, or are some combination of those. For everyone else it's not even the flu, since a huge chunk of people don't have symptoms.

Are you trying to argue here that we have Ebola or something in our midsts? Because we do not. Let's get that straight. Remember if researchers are correct and this thing was in our country in February, we went 4-6 weeks operating as normal while it spread. If it was Ebola that obviously wouldn't have happened.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

What people have to realize is deaths for this are lower because of the social distancing. If no one social distanced like the flu, we'd probably have over 100,000 dead in the US already. And if people social distanced and quarantined for the flu, the flu would have significantly less deaths to scale than the coronavirus.

I do wonder where the truth lies. Sweden's deaths per 1M population are really not that much higher than the USA's. I know you can't do an apples to apples comparison, but they are really the only country with reliable data that is doing something different right now.

Meanwhile, flu season last year claimed 34,200 lives according to the CDC and preliminary numbers for 2019 ~ 2020 season are between 24,000 and 62,000 and we don't bat an eye. That's with a vaccines.

edit: and yeah, I know Coronavirus deaths are additional deaths on top of flu deaths, so of course we want to avoid as many as possible, but I think a lot of people do not know how many people die each year to illness and are freaking out at the information overload about COVID-19.

 

[DragoonKain]

Has English subtitles too. Renown professor criticizing the measures that have been taken.

I'm slowly getting on board with this crap being totally overblown. Cinemas around here have been said to not open until August. AUGUST! This is nuts. Hell, just today I read an article claiming it won't be before 2022 or 23 until a somewhat normal life returns. Like, WTF? Get fucking life going again. If I'm one of those to bite the dust so be it. Better than to crash the fucking economy. And police are acting like fucking Rambos around here by now. And it's not gonna get better.

This virus is very serious, but the hyperbole isn't doing anyone any good. There's absolutely no logical reason for those kind of far off projections being made right now. All it does is scare people. No one can predict anything in 2022, it's absurd. That has to stop.

I think experts just wanna be the ones who can stand out and said "SEE, I TOLD YA SO!" for credibility points.

I do wonder where the truth lies. Sweden's deaths per 1M population are really not that much higher than the USA's. I know you can't do an apples to apples comparison, but they are really the only country with reliable data that is doing something different right now.

I saw this yesterday.

 

[cryptoadam]

Can anyone confirm that there are asymptomatic people who never ever show sypmtoms?

From all these antibody tests they have done the asymptmatic people they found did they never ever have symptoms or did they develop them at a later date?

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I saw this yesterday.

Yeah, I've seen this, too. It looks scary in graph form like that, but it's also important to note that Sweden hasn't sacrificed their society to combat this thing. Their argument is that they will see more deaths up front, but will be able to mostly operate as normal. Meanwhile, other countries will see a flatter, but much longer curve that ultimately ends up in roughly the same amount of deaths.

Only time will tell what the truth is.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Pretty sure most of the panic porn will die off around November.

I'm just trying to wrap my head around the idea of how this is supposed to go in the future. Say you eliminate all cases in your own country, then what? You have to open the borders eventually for trade and tourism as almost every country needs that. And at this point you loose control, except maybe if you screen every single incoming human being. I'm sure everyone is thrilled to go on vacation with the possibility of being quarantined like and animal. And the alternative for that? Wait for a vaccine and then vaccinate everyone? Shit, good luck with that.

 

[Joe T.]

I get it when it comes to big events. I've been involved in event organization before and you need to make a lot of investments well in advance. It's even worse when you're booking tons of different people and organizations to attend or set up their own booths. If there's big uncertainty that you may not be able to host the event, you will save yourself a ton of money and stress later on to just cancel it well in advance.

Yeah, that's definitely the case for certain events, but not for others. Montreal's a lively place and all the cancellations being announced in the same week was like ripping the heart out of it, not that it being so reliant on the tourism industry is going to do it many favors this year either. If a safe prophylactic or therapeutic gets discovered it can drastically change the way we view this virus. I'd rather they wait as long as possible to announce event cancellations instead of basically flushing the entire year down the toilet all at once. They're assuming the worst.

 

[Sejan]

I haven't posted US numbers graphs in a little while. I've got four to share today. These are US numbers as of yesterday.

Logarithmic Growth of COVID-19

In a logarithmic graph, a straight line shows exponential growth. The red line shows that we saw exponential growth for a pretty long while. As you can see, over the past month or so, this graph has been flattening considerably. While our daily growth numbers have remained stable over the past few days (as a future graph will show), exponential growth is simply not happening on a national scale any longer. This can, of course, change with a hypothetical second wave, but for now it is encouraging.


Percent Growth

This graph illustrates just how small the growth is becoming on the whole. While new sick people are certainly always a problem, as a representation of growth we are narrowing into a range of 4%. Growth at this level has a doubling time of 18 days. The worst we saw in the numbers was a doubling time approaching once every 2 days. Obviously this is a huge benefit. The red line is a 5 day rolling average.


Actual Daily Growth

The actual daily growth has simply stopped growing. Let me show you this same graph zoomed in.

By only looking at the past 14 days, we can see that our daily growth is actually just barely trending down (green line is a linear trend line of this time period). Again, 30,000 new sick people a day is certainly tragic, but seeing a trend downwards certainly offers a glimmer of hope to us all.



Conclusion
Yes some of this data is limited by testing, but this is less of a problem compared to even a short time ago. I've seen several counties in my state offering free testing to anyone that is willing to come through a drive through whether or not you have shown symptoms. On top of that, deaths are beginning to trend downwards in some of the states that states that were hardest hit by this virus. New York has gotten a good enough hold of their situation that they have begun offering their resources to other states. While we will never know the true number of people that were affected by this illness, we can have confidence that things are beginning to look a little better. Testing is becoming far more available while deaths are leveling off and even dropping.

 

[DragoonKain]

Yeah, I've seen this, too. It looks scary in graph form like that, but it's also important to note that Sweden hasn't sacrificed their society to combat this thing. Their argument is that they will see more deaths up front, but will be able to mostly operate as normal. Meanwhile, other countries will see a flatter, but much longer curve that ultimately ends up in roughly the same amount of deaths.

Only time will tell what the truth is.

I do think the social distancing was necessary. I think people with agendas will try to twist statistics to fit their agendas. Because the far right wants to puff their chests out that "pussy liberals" were scared of the virus for no reason and we can't let the country be run by a bunch of pussies. and the far left will make it into a virus that was completely avoidable if Trump had acted sooner and anyone who blames China is a racist.

I think the middle of the truth. This is a lot more dangerous than the flu and countries/cities that are densely populated will have a lot of deaths if they don't take preventative measures.

Social distancing isn't exactly new either. It went on in the 15th and 16th centuries for the English Sweating sickness too. I mean, people have been doing it forever, I think some think this is some new thing driven by political agendas and it isn't.