Neil Druckmann gives a speech in 2013, gaf reacts in 2020.

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OZ9000 said:
These women are lean, not built like tanks.

Virtually all women with significant muscle development are on juice. This is particularly true of 'Crossfit athletes', where anti-drug measures are frankly non-existent.
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Ellie might have a habit many are unaware of, except Joel.
 
Someone needs to start a petition to get this asshole out of Naughty Dog and replace him either with a woman who has a normal mind (Amy Henning pls come back) or a dude who's an actual man.
 
Hendrick's said:
Don't be a Nazi.
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I'm a minority, so according to woke, I cannot be a Nazi... and I am being oppressed. :)

EDIT, but not a real EDIT: I'm not saying Israel is ultimate woke, but just to note how the relationship behind the Jewish identity and the whole 'Nazi' ideology may influence one's personality and ego-identity growing up. I mean the recent rise in White nationalism may have triggered something in Druckmann to make him more hardline in terms of this feminist ideology because of his Jewish identity. Yes, I am reading too much into this. lol

But really, who knows the behind-the-scenes regarding shifts in culture? Most everyone grew up in the Matrix and unrelated to its architects (insert more Hideo Kojima conspiracies here).
The current trend feels like it will lead to some conflict, but for whose gain?
 
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farmerboy said:
Is it not possible? A Ridley/Sarah Connor type.
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Ripley (I'm assuming you mean) wasn't a roid monster. She's a slim feminine woman, and James Cameron explored her maternal qualities in Aliens as part of her motivation with saving Newt. She's a strong heroine, but one who can't be swapped with a man without sacrificing compelling aspects of the narrative.

Sarah Connor also isn't a roid monster, and her transformation from naive young woman to hardened commando between Terminator and Terminator 2 makes sense in her character arc, and is all in the name of protecting her son. She ends up institutionalized in part because a time traveler knocked her up in a one night stand and she has no good way of explaining all the occurrences of her life.

These characters fully integrate their feminine traits, and it's part of the reason woke intersectional extremists hate James Cameron. They don't want to see feminine heroes. They want to see men castrated, women de-feminized, and women swapping out men in masculine roles, as with this gender ambiguous roided up TLOU2 character.
 
Roufianos said:
I'm surprised Druckmann is friends with Colin Moriarty.

Probably secretly thinks he's a nazi.
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I dunno if they speak anymore.. I know that Jaffe has talked to Colin fairly recently but they are more alike. He moved back east and just bought a house too, so contact with all those people is probably going to be way less.
 
AtomicStarving said:
Do you guys think Sony is gonna drop Neil Druckmann from ND? This is disgusting.
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We can hope so, if the general public constantly shits on this game Sony has to respond to ND. The public reception could hurt ND and Sony's good will an this is NOT the time for that. Microsoft is coming and any bad publicity could be bad for Sony an I'm sure they are aware or will be aware of that.
 
i'm usually able to separate art from the artist and enjoy it for what it is, but sometimes this artist is so far gone to the crazy side that nothing of value can be gained from experiencing their art anymore.
 
EviLore said:
Ripley (I'm assuming you mean) wasn't a roid monster. She's a slim feminine woman, and James Cameron explored her maternal qualities in Aliens as part of her motivation with saving Newt. She's a strong heroine, but one who can't be swapped with a man without sacrificing compelling aspects of the narrative.

Sarah Connor also isn't a roid monster, and her transformation from naive young woman to hardened commando between Terminator and Terminator 2 makes sense in her character arc, and is all in the name of protecting her son. She ends up institutionalized in part because a time traveler knocked her up in a one night stand and she has no good way of explaining all the occurrences of her life.

These characters fully integrate their feminine traits, and it's part of the reason woke intersectional extremists hate James Cameron. They don't want to see feminine heroes. They want to see men castrated, women de-feminized, and women swapping out men in masculine roles, as with this gender ambiguous roided up TLOU2 character.
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Hit the nail on the head. Very well said.

It seems like feminism of today is merely about stupid posturing and 'one upping men' on every opportunity. It is no longer about having compelling female leads/characters.

To be honest, ND/Neil Cuckman went straight up full retard. And everyone knows you never go full retard...
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On the same note, I don't even think Tropic Thunder would be allowed to see daylight in today's ultra-sensitive society. I'm sure the droves of white knights and feminists would cry at the lack of female representation! Why must EVERY medium include 'X' or 'Y' gender? Forced pandering fucking sucks.
 
The Bloody-Nine said:
Oh, it will review well, make no mistake about that. It will sell well, too, because of how good the first game was. The 3rd entry, though? We'll see about that.
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diffusionx said:
Hell this speech guaranteed about 92 metacritic points and an essential on Eurogamer.
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Then they won't give a shit, we are also talking assuming they don't like this direction, maybe they do? maybe they encourage it? but lets assume that they don't, as long as the cash keeps flowing they won't interfere with anything, in the end it's all about the benjamins

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GribbleGrunger said:
I agree 100% with what you've said here but what Neil is talking about isn't the disease itself but the act of 'choosing' what gender the disease affects.
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Let's break it down even further.
Let's Steelman his argument.

A ) Say the concept is that a disease was created on purpose to infect just women. Indeed, these evil fictional biochemists would potentially qualify as misogynists.

But the concept itself wouldn't necessarily be misogynist, because depiction is not endorsement. If portrayal means endorsement, then Neil has far bigger problems on his hands and he needs to take a frank look at Naught Dog's back catalogue, ridden with violence against women. He hasn't disavow Naughty Dog's past work, has he?

B ) Alternatively, let's say the concept is that the disease is entirely natural and not engineered and that it infects only one sex by pure bad luck. In what way would picking women express hatred for them? Would choosing men instead express misandry?

Does picking one of the sexes as the universal victim in a dystopian fictional setting in a video game necessarily entail hatred towards the real-life members of that sex? Why?

I can think of several creative reasons why choosing women would potentially make for a more interesting scenario. One of them is the very basic fact that women give birth and would perhaps pass down the disease. The stakes would be so much higher: the possible extinction of mankind.

So imagine the indictment he is casting on his own team and on himself. The concept was motivated by hatred for women. This is so extreme and so at odds with his decision not to fire anyone that I think you framed it perfectly. This sounds like atonement, like expiation for sins committed by men against women. The implicit assumption is that any choice that can be perceived as unfavourable to women, even binary choices in the realm of fiction, can only be ascribed to misogyny. Men are culturally misogynous. That's the implicit assumption. It's not that himself or his team is particularly bad. It's the air. It's the zeitgeist that renders men misogynist by default.

So Neil isn't really talking about the concept or the process and decision that led up to it. No. He is pointing the finger at men in general. It's all vicarious, He isn't condemning the concept - his reference to Feminist Frequency strongly supports this assertion. But men in general, across time, up until this miraculous day of epiphany, that is, when Anita Sarkesian showed him the light and he decided to redeem masculinity by himself.
 
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Citing Sarkazzanian in his panel was a huge fail. Anita never had answer nor solution to her bullshit.
But Drukmann did a good job representing gay characters in TLOU, see Bill, a gay man portraited as a normal person, not with the usual queer behaviour as seen in many tv shows and movies.
 
What ND need to do, is go back to their roots... make a platformer or something that focuses on fun to get a bit of perspective for themselves.
 
Solarstrike said:
Sony are the ones behind any and all this nonsense. They censor stuff, want to be politically correct, etc. Naughty Dog and all 1st party studios under Sony follow a strict code by Sony. Sony probably doesn't even want any of the controversial stuff in Last of Us 2. It's Neil and company who broke that boundary somewhat. Isn't that a good thing? Regardless of what's portrayed in a game. However, there IS a such a thing as over-doing it though and i do believe that's maybe what happened with LoU 2. As if the story was written to purposefully be out there, beyond the norm. Almost as if expecting a gift or award from the politically correct crowd or perhaps the LGTBQ
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Drunkman is great at subverting... expectations.

Bryank75 said:
What ND need to do, is go back to their roots... make a platformer or something that focuses on fun to get a bit of perspective for themselves.
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Uhh, they don't use that word, bigot!
 
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He lost me when he brought up other video game characters. As if he's elevating above everyone else in his moral superiority.
Whatever dude. This is why I love the Yakuza franchise - it doesn't hold back or take itself seriously and knows their audience is smart enough not to either. It's about having fun and being entertained.

And besides, there's nothing fun to cosplay to. Think of the cosplayers!
 
What a shame the studio decided to keep this guy against Hennig. But I guess that preferring the less talented male developer is not misogynistic if you follow all the hipsters trends.
 
I can't believe I am even thinking of just watching YT videos of the last of us 2 now. The original TLoU is my favorite game of all time (tied with HL2) and yet this SJW bullshit has turned me off from this game.
I haven't read any spoiler, nor do I want to for now, but can someone who knows just confirm that it's really SJW pandering or not? Just a yes or no. Then I can decide if I will buy the game or not.
 
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How is making a game about a virus that only affects women misogynistic? Does that mean you hate women? I think the term misogynistic is kinda like Nazi anymore, it doesn't mean what they think it means.

I think the idea that it only affects Women could have been a great story, it could test the males ability to not try to protect the women they love as they turn into these monsters that want to eat them. Add in weak simps that the virus could infect and bam you have a game about third wave feminism.

I canceled my preorder. I don't have time for this type of game. I will happily play something else while I wait for Sucker Punch to deliver Ghosts.
 
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After the leaks and these comments, I'm not giving a dime to ND and their woke agenda

Will buy FF7R instead, and then buy Ghost of Tsushima
 
Radical_3d said:
What a shame the studio decided to keep this guy against Hennig. But I guess that preferring the less talented male developer is not misogynistic if you follow all the hipsters trends.
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This is the thing that's funny to me. Apparently, it's bad for women to actually want a talented woman to make games?

I am sad well never get hennigs version of uncharted 4, it probably would be better than uc2.
 
I don't agree with everything Druckmann is saying, of curse, but it's important to understand that this speech was largely about what he did with the original Last of Us, as in the past tense.

Entroyp said:
Oh boy.. not like this ND... not like this :_(
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They've put out three games since he had his epiphany.
 
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Zefah said:
I don't agree with everything Druckmann is saying, of curse, but it's important to understand that this speech was largely about what he did with the original Last of Us, as in the past tense.
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Yeah, he's obviously dialed it back for the sequel.
 
kittoo said:
I can't believe I am even thinking of just watching YT videos of the last of us 2 now. The original TLoU is my favorite game of all time (tied with HL2) and yet this SJW bullshit has turned me off from this game.
I haven't read any spoiler, nor do I want to for now, but can someone who knows just confirm that it's really SJW pandering or not? Just a yes or no. Then I can decide if I will buy the game or not.
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I've only seen the major beats of the game, but it's woke in the sense that it really, really wants to break down the natural barriers between female and male. Women look like guys with female heads shopped on, men look like effeminate women, every woman involved seems to be LARPing as a typical videogame tough guy, with no trace of femininity, etc.

In the sense of 'Ree! Trump! Socialism! Racism! Nazis! Pronouns!', I haven't seen any of that yet.
 
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EviLore said:
Ripley (I'm assuming you mean) wasn't a roid monster. She's a slim feminine woman, and James Cameron explored her maternal qualities in Aliens as part of her motivation with saving Newt. She's a strong heroine, but one who can't be swapped with a man without sacrificing compelling aspects of the narrative.

Sarah Connor also isn't a roid monster, and her transformation from naive young woman to hardened commando between Terminator and Terminator 2 makes sense in her character arc, and is all in the name of protecting her son. She ends up institutionalized in part because a time traveler knocked her up in a one night stand and she has no good way of explaining all the occurrences of her life.

These characters fully integrate their feminine traits, and it's part of the reason woke intersectional extremists hate James Cameron. They don't want to see feminine heroes. They want to see men castrated, women de-feminized, and women swapping out men in masculine roles, as with this gender ambiguous roided up TLOU2 character.
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Look, I'll leave it there because I haven't seen the leaks, but I will say this; I'm not going to judge until I experience the game in its entirety. To judge beforehand hand, with that judgement seemingly(?) based on one "ambiguous" character, is being unfair to the creator. Especially when the first game gave no indication of any kind of "wokeness".
 
BattleScar said:
This is some needless wokery, but at the same time....what's wrong with being left wing?
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In my opinion it has more to do with economics and things feeling the same / mundane for too long, so parts of society wants to spice things up a bit.
The yin and yang are in a constant balancing act. We are now in one of those periods.
I am fine with verbal debates as long as there is no crazy loss of life and physical escalations. :messenger_peace:

It is good to debate this but the problem is that it is difficult to point out what is genuine and what is 'too much' woke because it all lies in intent, or at least the perception of intent.
And then you have to ask, is the intent genuine or is there some unconscious bias behind it? Is 'the image of woke' just being used to oppress and reap profits from the herd?

...so let's not become like ResetEra! :messenger_peace::messenger_beaming:
 
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