llien
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That's exactly my point, they went from 5k to 22k in 2 weeks.
Death toll just haven't started climbing, as most victims suffer for 3+ weeks.
Mask Efficacy |OT| Wuhan!! Got You All In Check
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Death toll just haven't started climbing, as most victims suffer for 3+ weeks.
llien
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It is a simple answer really. They silence/kill/expel anyone who shows symptoms and leave 1 person alive with it who is a higher up in the CCP.
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There is a much simpler explanation guys: lockdowns FUCKING WORK. Mkay? See: Germany, South Korea, Australia, Austria, Switzerland for reference. Pay close attention to "actively infected".
There is nothing extraordinary about much harsher lockdowns working even better.
(And I'm keeping fingers crossed for situation in Germany not to explode, after the recent major loosening of screws)
llien
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Chinese Leader Xi Jinping personally asked the World Health Organization to delay the release of critical information regarding its coronavirus outbreak, German intelligence has concluded.
Xi met with WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus on January 21 to request that he withhold information about human-to-human transition and delay the declaration of a global pandemic, according to German magazine Der Spiegel. The news comes amid rising sentiment that China should be held financially responsible for the pandemic.
Xi met with WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus on January 21 to request that he withhold information about human-to-human transition and delay the declaration of a global pandemic, according to German magazine Der Spiegel. The news comes amid rising sentiment that China should be held financially responsible for the pandemic.
cryptoadam
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Chittagong
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the great masses that brought us Boaty McBoatface have taken to Twitter to suggest alternatives to the new UK slogan:
cryptoadam
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Ok we will see. So far they have 130 deaths. I will keep an eye to see if they count starts rising.
Russia in the same boat IMO they should have more deaths than they are reporting guess we will see if any more people fall out of 3rd story windows hahah
nikolino840
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I don't know
Here are some numbers for some people that still doubt the sevreness of this disease:
Difference in Numbers of Deaths in some Italian regions between March 2020 and the average from 2015-2019
Brescia:
1385 ( Avg. 2015-2019)
4450 (2020) +290%
Cremona:
496 (Avg. 2015-2019)
1999(2020) +391%
Lodi:
264 ( Avg. 2015-2019)
1056 (2020) + 370%
Bergamo:
1180 ( Avg. 2015-2019)
6238 (2020) + 567%
www.repubblica.it
Hope this will stop people claiming this diease isn't serious.
Difference in Numbers of Deaths in some Italian regions between March 2020 and the average from 2015-2019
Brescia:
1385 ( Avg. 2015-2019)
4450 (2020) +290%
Cremona:
496 (Avg. 2015-2019)
1999(2020) +391%
Lodi:
264 ( Avg. 2015-2019)
1056 (2020) + 370%
Bergamo:
1180 ( Avg. 2015-2019)
6238 (2020) + 567%
A marzo mortalità aumentata del 49,4%, ma il virus lascia un'Italia spaccata: Bergamo +568%, Roma -9,4%
I dati dell'Istat certificano la realtà di un Paese segnato molto diversamente dal passaggio del Covid 19: in 36 province il dato è raddoppia…
www.repubblica.it
Hope this will stop people claiming this diease isn't serious.
llien
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Based on comparison to Brazil, perhaps. Unless Russian mass testing actually shows real infected figures, unlike with Brazil.
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Ultimately, total number of deaths is the best way to assess impact of the epidemy.
cryptoadam
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Reopening delays have Montreal businesses facing bankruptcy
Many of Montreal's businesses are suffering with no end to the city's lockdown in sight and bankruptcy a looming possibility.
montreal.ctvnews.ca
cryptoadam
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Dr Campbell on HCQ. Didnt watch yet so will be interesting to see what he says.
Smiles and Cries
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cryptoadam
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Interesting study about zinc
Heres a twitter thread looking at the study. I dont know if what this guy is saying is true or not but what he explains is that since this looked at intubations and death it combined them both that skewed the results. If you look at deaths only HCQ group did better than non HCQ group.
In the end i remain sceptical on HCQ. If it was something that really worked i think it would be green lit by now. Unless people really hate Trump that much that they would bury a drug on a world wide scale. All though outside the US the drug isnt convtroversial and is being used so i am confused in the end.
There is a much simpler explanation guys: lockdowns FUCKING WORK. Mkay? See: Germany, South Korea, Australia, Austria, Switzerland for reference. Pay close attention to "actively infected".
There is nothing extraordinary about much harsher lockdowns working even better.
(And I'm keeping fingers crossed for situation in Germany not to explode, after the recent major loosening of screws)
It shouldn't. The most important benefit of lockdowns you already got is that social distancing is drilled into most peoples heads. Which cuts down massivly on cases already and is the most important factor in the whole thing.
I'm glad we're opening up back again in Switzerland. In retrospect its a shame we couldn't have lockdown a bit earlier and thus a shorter lockdown duration to ease economical concerns. Overall I'm semi-happy with my goverments response (Unhappy with certain organizations that don't push hard enough to get lockdown restrictions removed now though. But that's personal).
However, overall the whole world failed its pandemic test. I fully believe both the human and economic impact of the coronavirus could have been much, much less with proper protocols in place.
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llien
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Of course it should and of course it's not just people distancing.
Going out for anything, but food? => higher chances of catching virus
Locked at home, can't even go out for a walk? => smaller chances of catching the virus
Locked at home can't even get out to get food? (China) => close to zero chances of spreading the virus
The whole "distancing" is ridiculous.
A bunch of idiots was staying in front of a grocery store, chatting. (cause, why wear mask outside, cretins)
Inside, it's still hordes of people next to each other.
The major difference to pre-covid era, however, is that contrary to the FUCKING WHO RECOMMENDATIONS everyone wears a mask, protecting others from himself/herself.
And we'll see how well that works in a couple of weeks.
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No, it hopefully shouldn't. Also you're going a bit extreme here. Of course staying at home has a lower chance than going out. But purely paying attention to your surroundings, social interactions and hygiene does have a massive effect already. So do masks, those things aren't conflicting they're adding up.
It's not a black/white situation. It never was. That sooooooo many people are treating it as one on either side is a concerning thing for me.
(Which by the way is visible when I not places and types of people in my country that are notorious for being distant having fewer cases. That's purely anecdotal though (its not like I'm doing a study) so you may discard this comment)
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cryptoadam
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Global report: Covid-19 cases rise in Germany as Wuhan reports first infection in weeks
Global infections surpass 4m; cluster detected in Dordogne, new cases highlight risks as lockdowns eased
www.theguardian.com
Wuhan has its first "new case" in 5 weeks. Call me skeptical on this being their first new case.
llien
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The context of this discussion is people wondering how could China have better R0.
Whereas I'd be shocked if China did not have a better R0, given how much more restrictive it can go and had gone.
As for whether R0 will raise, after dropping restrictions - there isn't anything to argue about, it definitely will.
Whether it would get to 1 and beyond, and if yes, how far, is the question.
Robert Koch Institute in Germany estimates that we are now at 1.1, still pretty cool in my books, but anyhow, it's just an estimate.
The context of this discussion is people wondering how could China have better R0.
Whereas I'd be shocked if China did not have a better R0, given how much more restrictive it can go and had gone.
As for whether R0 will raise, after dropping restrictions - there isn't anything to argue about, it definitely will.
Whether it would get to 1 and beyond, and if yes, how far, is the question.
Robert Koch Institute in Germany estimates that we are now at 1.1, still pretty cool in my books, but anyhow, it's just an estimate.
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cryptoadam
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Harbin province has an outbreak.
www.theguardian.pe.ca
and a nice little gem
As long as China says that the infected person is asymptomatic they don't count them. Now of course CCP would never lie and say symptomatic people are asymptomatic to maintain the propaganda that they have no infections of course not.
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and a nice little gem
As long as China says that the infected person is asymptomatic they don't count them. Now of course CCP would never lie and say symptomatic people are asymptomatic to maintain the propaganda that they have no infections of course not.
darkestdame
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Here are some numbers for some people that still doubt the sevreness of this disease:
Difference in Numbers of Deaths in some Italian regions between March 2020 and the average from 2015-2019
Brescia:
1385 ( Avg. 2015-2019)
4450 (2020) +290%
Cremona:
496 (Avg. 2015-2019)
1999(2020) +391%
Lodi:
264 ( Avg. 2015-2019)
1056 (2020) + 370%
Bergamo:
1180 ( Avg. 2015-2019)
6238 (2020) + 567%
A marzo mortalità aumentata del 49,4%, ma il virus lascia un'Italia spaccata: Bergamo +568%, Roma -9,4%
I dati dell'Istat certificano la realtà di un Paese segnato molto diversamente dal passaggio del Covid 19: in 36 province il dato è raddoppia…
Hope this will stop people claiming this diease isn't serious.
This is a partisan issue, the right are never going to say it's that bad, and even if the numbers get worse, they'll just say the hypothetical loss of lives of government relief and continued lockdown is worse so we should open anyway, no data is going to change that talking point.
Joe T.
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I noticed a lot of people complaining about the anti-lockdown protests in the US, but a twitter thread I was looking at showed Germans out in even greater numbers at a number of different locations. They were practically shoulder to shoulder, too.
Looks like they're ready for concerts and soccer/football matches to restart.
I noticed a lot of people complaining about the anti-lockdown protests in the US, but a twitter thread I was looking at showed Germans out in even greater numbers at a number of different locations. They were practically shoulder to shoulder, too.
Looks like they're ready for concerts and soccer/football matches to restart.
Yeah fuckin idiots.
You can't even compare these dumbasses to some protests in the US since we are going to open nearly everything on Monday.
They are protesting cause they don't want to wear masks. They are protesting cause they don't want to get a vaccine (Which is still fuckin years away). They are protesting cause apparently Bill Gates and some other dudes want to establish a NWO. They are protesting because apparently german Gov wants to control everybody and everything.
Add this to the fact that some Celebs are completely loosing their minds and telling people to question everything and everybody and you get this fucking mess.
Apart from some other countries in the East, i don't think there's been a country that has handled this pandemic "better" ( surely not perfect ) than germnay. We went never into full lockdown, and we already opened up 2 weeks ago. I seriously don't know what the they have to protest against. Idiots, that's all.
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Jezbollah
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A bit of a confusing address by Boris Johnson regarding the next stage of the UK's COVID19 response. Clarity is needed.
It does leave him open to the kind of media/political criticism to be expected - however those that are shouting loudly are those who also had a go a few weeks ago saying that there needed to be such a plan.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
It does leave him open to the kind of media/political criticism to be expected - however those that are shouting loudly are those who also had a go a few weeks ago saying that there needed to be such a plan.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Chittagong
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It did feel like a rush job. The slogan is not great, and the instructions need more detail. There are going to be many confused workers wondering whether to go to work tomorrow.
In terms of changes, the unlimited outdoors time is actually a huge change. Now you are allowed to sit in a park bench or lay down for a tan as long as you are distancing.
Jezbollah
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It seems like they've listened to a lot of scientific advise and tried to simplify it - but they've tried too hard and the message lacks a lot of obvious detail. It needs absolute definitive bulletpoints. Too many shades of grey for guidelines that need to be black and white.
cryptoadam
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I noticed a lot of people complaining about the anti-lockdown protests in the US, but a twitter thread I was looking at showed Germans out in even greater numbers at a number of different locations. They were practically shoulder to shoulder, too.
Looks like they're ready for concerts and soccer/football matches to restart.
Lebanon too
Look at all those right wing Nazi's!
Setzer
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It hasn't been green lit because it's a cheap drug that's easily available and there's no money to be made.
It works in combination with Zinc.
Joe T.
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I'm not sure which celeb(s) you're referring to, but questioning everything is sound advice in this crazy world where the news is generally as misleading/deceptive as ever. A free, independent press is a pillar of democracy... one that's been reduced to rubble, at least here in North America. The facts we'd expect them to deliver get fragmented, often along political lines, and so does the population.
holygeesus
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Seems that way. Does that mean I can travel anywhere in the country now by car, as long as I maintain social distancing at my destination? If so a holiday is in order.
DragoonKain
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The problem is once it becomes political, any hope for meaningful discourse is lost. People on the right will say all this is a sham and an excuse for government to take away “muh freedoms.” People on the left will say anyone who is terrified of going broke and losing their homes and wants the economy to open back up to save their livelihood is a Trumper who doesn’t care about their fellow man.
Both arguments are asinine and when you have two opposites of people with agendas you will never get anywhere.
It’s both bad and very serious, and also if we don’t open the economy back up in some way soon, the lockdown will become worse than the virus itself. Both things can be true. I don’t know when that “soon” is, but it will get here at some point. Some may argue it already has and we just haven’t seen the long term economic impacts yet, and that may be true too, who knows, but what I do know is regardless, that time will get here eventually. Millions of unemployed, homeless, starving, no healthcare. Working parents who started families under the assumption they’ll be able to support their families financially giving them a good life, no longer able to because they lost their jobs or businesses. These are real concerns.
Those people should not be mocked or ridiculed or called insensitive for feeling that way. That’s not the same as those people whining about their beaches or parks and crowding them shoulder to shoulder in protest. Those people are just morons. But the people who are worried about their families and the economy? Absolutely legit concerns.
Both arguments are asinine and when you have two opposites of people with agendas you will never get anywhere.
It’s both bad and very serious, and also if we don’t open the economy back up in some way soon, the lockdown will become worse than the virus itself. Both things can be true. I don’t know when that “soon” is, but it will get here at some point. Some may argue it already has and we just haven’t seen the long term economic impacts yet, and that may be true too, who knows, but what I do know is regardless, that time will get here eventually. Millions of unemployed, homeless, starving, no healthcare. Working parents who started families under the assumption they’ll be able to support their families financially giving them a good life, no longer able to because they lost their jobs or businesses. These are real concerns.
Those people should not be mocked or ridiculed or called insensitive for feeling that way. That’s not the same as those people whining about their beaches or parks and crowding them shoulder to shoulder in protest. Those people are just morons. But the people who are worried about their families and the economy? Absolutely legit concerns.
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llien
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US and UK intelligence agencies 'examining report on mobile phone data at Wuhan laboratory'
Experts urged caution over the report
www.telegraph.co.uk
Collz69
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Not sure if you can holiday yet, but days out are OK.
I know that uk holiday letting agents like Hoseasons are taking booking from early June
holygeesus
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I have a converted van. I’m just wondering how kindly the police would take to seeing us parked up and sleeping in it if no camp sites are open.
Collz69
Member
Just park it somewhere out of the way, sure you will be fine, just don’t go to Wales or Scotland they are losing their shit already telling English people to keep away!
rykomatsu
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Thanks for injecting some rationality into the overall discussion around this not being as black and white as folks make it out to be.
Lanrutcon
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So the people screaming they want to go out need to pay for the medical bills of the people they'll help infect? Or do they need to SHUT THE FUCK UP as well?
CA isn't paying unemployement to a lot of the citizens of the state (thanks to Newsom emptying the unemployement funds for his stimulus payments to illegals). $1200 won't even pay for a month's rent in most places.
Either they let people go back to work, or you'll have millions homeless and out on the streets anyway.
Ovek
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About right... Nice of our government to give the prominently working class 12 hours notice to go back to work with reduced public transport and only "guidance" for work place safety.
And are they going to start handing out PPE to all the schools opening in three weeks? Thought not.
Lanrutcon
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I completely and utterly agree that most governments are fucking up when it comes to the financial side of this. It's a shit show here as well, and people are suffering.
But the "SHUT THE FUCK UP" line of logic...I don't think that's the way to go, but if you were just ranting to blow off some steam and frustration: completely understood.
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That's fucked up.
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No I'm getting sick of people in their ivory tower shouting at the protestors to "STAY THE FUCK HOME" when people WON'T have a home if they continue forcing people into lockdowns. Hell the cities forcing the lockdowns won't exist if they keep the lockdowns going because they won't have the tax income they need to continue existing.
So you have these virtue signalers on Twitter and other places screeching at people to "STAY THE FUCK HOME" without explaining how they're supposed to STAY IN THAT HOME without an income.
Of course then some idiot screams "cancel rent", which would never happen.
Lanrutcon
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Yeah, I get you. Some folks lack perspective and basic empathy for their fellow man. If I was living the high life during this thing without having to worry about cash or food, I'd stay quiet. Not everyone advocating the lockdown is like that though, but no-one has easy answers.
No you let people go to work while following distancing and hygiene requirements.
Jesus fuck, hair salon and barber shop licensing is 100000% based on hygiene. They're probably the most hygienic of ANY profession outside of healthcare. But these idiot tyrants running the states directly into civil war are acting like they aren't and are having them open LAST.
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All Hail C-Webb
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I believe that many places could be opening up (with restrictions on occupancy, and mask requirements), but I don't think it'll have the economic impact you're hoping for.
Restaurants will lose more money being open at limited capacity than they do being closed. Hotels won't do well, neither will a lot of retail.
People who aren't well off, but are thinking clearly, are not going to spend money on anything but the essentials.
That's just the smaller impacts.
Commercial Real Estate is not going to get back to where it was, which is going to effect Residential too. WeWork and AirBnb struggling will be devastating to many areas.
It'll be nice for people to spend time outdoors, but I think it's foolish to expect the economy to recover until we have effective treatment or a vaccine.
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