Coulomb_Barrier
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Oh please...all that shit is swept aside if the competitor delivers multiple GotYs and you don't land any.
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Phil Spencer feels it's counter productive to lock people away from games by making them device exclusive, prefers to scale games across ecosystem
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Oh please...all that shit is swept aside if the competitor delivers multiple GotYs and you don't land any.
Apollo Helios
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Every other console manufacturer except for Xbox is in the crosshairs here, well Xbox would do if you consider Phil wouldn't speak against his company but oops, I mean Ryse Son of Rome was never on Xbox 360 now was it? So he also shot his own toe (foot would be too big for my single example).
"The highest fidelity PC games rival anything that anybody has ever seen in video games. So this idea that developers don't know how to build games, or game engines, or ecosystems, that work across a set of hardware... there's a proof point in PC that shows that's not the case. "
This is utter nonsense. Anytime you have to optimize to the lowest common denominator there will be sacrifices made. Things like resolution, geometry/tessellation, textures, rendering distance, lighting, shadows can be more easily scaled for the best performance on different hardware. Things like animation and physics systems, and AI routines built to take advantage of the new Zen CPU cannot. Factor in the speed of the new SSD and just forget about it.
This is utter nonsense. Anytime you have to optimize to the lowest common denominator there will be sacrifices made. Things like resolution, geometry/tessellation, textures, rendering distance, lighting, shadows can be more easily scaled for the best performance on different hardware. Things like animation and physics systems, and AI routines built to take advantage of the new Zen CPU cannot. Factor in the speed of the new SSD and just forget about it.
Kagero
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He saw TLOU2 and said," fuck it" I quit. Let's switch the narrative. Exclusives are bad! Games on all platform, good! Naw seriously though. Exclusives goes against their strategy. They are trying to sell a play everything, anywhere, service. The issue with this is, it will probably end up looking like Sony will have the best looking games. I'm okay with that. That's why I prefer Sony.
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eastwood333
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The Xbox 360 was a new ball game since it closed an enormous gap that was the OG Xbox 20 million vs PS2 120 million.
Just admit failure,dude. Sony is scared to go first with listing the price of the PS5. But you won't because it contradicts all your laughable statements about Sony not taking MS seriously.
Gamers can't play sells that i'm aware of.
Bo_Hazem
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Tschumi
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Thaaat's a bit of a stretch there Phil my man~
I'll be honest, gears of war and a bunch of battle royale titles.. I'm not sure I'm particularly informed on what xBox will bring in terms of titles... But I'm not getting one because it seems to offer so little beyond non-exclusive stuff like FIFA etc
I'll be honest, gears of war and a bunch of battle royale titles.. I'm not sure I'm particularly informed on what xBox will bring in terms of titles... But I'm not getting one because it seems to offer so little beyond non-exclusive stuff like FIFA etc
Ascend
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True. But it's not really the hardware that holds things back. It's market share.
The PC has had SSDs for quite a while. Barely any game makes use of it. Why? Because consoles don't have it, is one of the first arguments people think of. Now, you might say that this proves that consoles hold back PC gaming, but not really. Because many games released only on PC didn't make use special of the SSD either. So what gives?
Developers and publishers are going to want the highest possible amount of people to play their game, and no one is going to risk making a game for what is a niche market. The HDD was still the basis, because even on PC, the amount of SSD users is too small. This generation of consoles is what will make the SSD market share large enough for developers to start making it mandatory. And even then, many smaller studios will still choose to support HDDs. Not to mention many indie games don't even need an SSD to do what they want to do... In the beginning, mainly AAA titles will benefit from an SSD.
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MrS
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eastwood333
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MS now has more studios capable of making GOTY caliber games and they aren't finished acquiring studios. I dont think one or two GOTY titles per year makes up for countless BC titles across 3 generations, Gamepass, or best multiplats(majority of games that are played)
But MS has acquired a bunch of studios with hints of more to follow, so we'll see how much MS improves on that front. They've got everything else covered.
tryDEATH
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No one said they can't be done, they are just done on varying levels, in other words their scalable just like graphics, which is what you expect with weaker/stronger hardware. Also SoM released in 2014 some 10 months after the new generation launched, so roughly the same amount of time as Xbox intends to support last generation before moving exclusively next generation.
I will just leave it at that.
Edit: Confused SoW with SoM and time line.
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MrS
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Double Fine gonna come through with GOTY? No chance. Why don't you just wait and see what these Xbox studios can make before you proclaim them to be GOTY caliber games?
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sircaw
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Genuine question here, i' am guessing your that chap who has the youtube channel that's xbox centric.
Do your receive kick backs from microsoft or from phil for any of this?>
IS there a free console in the pipeline or tickets to some show for all this shilling, i am curious.
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JerryinSoCal
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Spencer is and always has been full of shit, he's being a salesman and he's talking up his product. They don't have enough studios working on truly next gen stuff to have anything ready for launch so it's going to be cross-gen city which will hold things back. I'm not worried about lockhart holding the series X back, I'm sure it probably won't being that they will share design elements but staying committed to the X1 for 2 years is a mistake.
Yoboman
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Which of those multiple studios will be making GOTY caliber games?
eastwood333
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Halo Infinite, Playgrounds new Fable, The Initiatives new game, Obsidians new AAA RPG, Ninja Theorys Hellblade 2 for starters.
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Knitted Knight
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Is this tweet legit?
eastwood333
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Explosive Zombie
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So no Fable game has been a game of the year, Halo hasn't had one since bungie where the devs, obsidian hasn't had one since fallout New Vegas and the others never really had one. Even removing my personal opinion from the matter I feel like the consensus is pretty much in line with what I'm saying.
MS knows that they cannot win the market share from Sony using the traditional console life cycle model . That's why they are pushing for the subscription/service as a paradigm shift. They will probably try to saturate market with cheap(er) entry level hardware and a A to AA software. I would not be suprised if they license other hardware manufactures to make boxes that work with their eco-system at some point. I dare to speculate that XBox Series X (which is a very powerful machine) was also being used as a bait for Sony to go high on hardware spec and price themselves out the intented market for MS.
We shall see.
We shall see.
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Strider Highwind
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Im not that fond of some of microsofts practices either but the title of this thing is kinda wack and explicitly implies he said something about Sony or Ps5
.Kind of misleading
Then again don't mind me I'm an all console+pc guy and I'm just not as invested in the back and forth war thing that happens with consoles.
I was just looking for the quote where he specifically said ps5/Sony since the title literally says "Phil Spencer "SAYS" PS5-Style"...
But enjoy lol
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eastwood333
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I am not. I do not.
Do you receive kick backs from sony? Do you have stock in sony? Are you part of a sony cult by any chance? Do you see the hypocrisy of labeling me a fanboy when you have a history of fanboyism?
sircaw
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Forza maybe, its hard to fuck up a racing game i think.
Halo will be decent, not sure about goty material, seeing what sony has made, i doubt mircosoft can match that in terms of quality. i reckon it will hit an 85% or 10/10 on ign,
Hellblade 2 needs to be longer that 7 hours, to add real value.
Fable could be the dark horse, but it might be a bridge to far for their devolpers, i hope its good, i wanna play it.
Rest of the studios, are their any really exceptional ones like the sony ones, i don't think so.
Wisps game is very good mind you, performance was totally shit, no idea if that was fixed.
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Probably when he realized he was never catching PS in sales, so he changed his approach
Qudrat Rabbi
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So we are on the same page arguing about nothing? K my bad lol
sircaw
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No hypocrisy at all, you just seem to be prepared to die on a hill at all costs to defend Microsoft
Just find it strange, really strange.
I do prefer Sony, no doubt about it, but i have always been interested in the lockheart console. there are a couple of games i def want to play. I thought you had a ps4, thats all. I thought you would of enjoyed there games but it sounds like you absolutely hate them the way you rant on sometimes.
Wisps game fantastic, grim dawn brilliant, fable give me.
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Great Hair
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What?!
That´s their ultimate stretch goal. To have every mobile user (xCloud), console, pc gamer, every Samsung fridge and Tesla, e-car owner with a display subbed to their rental service with more micro-transaction than every EA & Activision game combined.
Make out of $1 to 10 per month billions in the long run, because of "naive" people buying skins in NBA2K21 or Sea of Thieves, Gears, Forza, Halo.
stop&conquer the fomo!
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MrS
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Lmao is it true? Colt Eastwood, is that you? And you had the audacity to call me a console warrior yesterday...
eastwood333
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eastwood333
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Halo Infinite will be a cross gen game and it will be bigger than all of PS5's games this holiday.
True fact and probably look better at 60fps
MrS
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Understood, thank you for the clarification.
eastwood333
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I can say the exact same thing to you and many others without going into naming names.
sircaw
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i sorry you did not answer my question. do you own a ps4? do you not enjoy the games on the system>?
Fortuneelsewhere
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Yes Sony is terrified of MS
It must be hard for you having Sony completely ignoring MS..
Yoboman
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Besides Playground, who are entirely unproven outside of racers who, I dont see how you've come to the conclusion that those devs are now GOTY caliber
343 have yet to make even a 90 metacritic game. Halo 5 was worse than 4. They are nowhere close to GOTY caliber
Obsidian are a solid mid 80s dev. They will need to vastly improve to reach that next tier
Ninja Theory's most recent game and first project with MS scored 62. They are as far away from a GOTY caliber dev as you could be.
Oh and the Initiative. The unknown game from the unknown dev? Maybe worth waiting until its even shown before lauding GOTY status down on it
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sircaw
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The old westerns are pretty epic, at least you got that nailed down.
Anyways thanks for the chit chat, have a good night
sircaw
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Halo Infinite will be a cross gen game and it will be bigger than all of PS5's games this holiday.
download sizes don't count
trapanesenyc
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Hes right, if a game can be played on current gen launch it there. Putting a game like spiderman soely on the ps5 is anti consumer unless it can only run on the ps5...which is highly unlikely.
eastwood333
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Fable 2 won many GOTY back in the day. However, that is irrelevant given that Playgrounds new RPG team is a brand new AAA studio formed by many high caliber devs from Rocksteady, Rockstar,Kojima Prod etc....not Lionhead studios.
Incorrect. The Outer Worlds had several GOTY nominations and one of the higher rated AAA games with a 86 meta score.
Halo Infinite has many new members that were not involved with the previous Halo games. Paul Crocker-is the Narrative/Creative Director(former Rocksteady Director on the Batman games) Troy Mashburn-Game Director(former Horizon Zero Dawn Lead Combat Designer/Senior Game Designer)
Its using a brand new engine and is a reboot of sorts.
Hellblade was a GOTY contender
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Spencer trying to relate a hardware locked console to a customizable PC is where the focus should be.
DrAspirino
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I wouldn't be surprised if they actually release a GamePass streaming app on Nintendo Switch. It wouldn't be the first time they release a game of theirs in that platform and they certainly have kind of friendly relationships with Nintendo.
FacelessSamurai
..but cry so much I wish I had some
I'd feel bad if I bought a console full price only to play a single GOTY every year and nothing else. How many games sell per year and how much of that is that goty in terms of sales? I don't own a PS4 and don't feel like I am missing out, and none of my PC master race friends feel like they are missing out either.
Nobody cares about you jerking off because tlou2 gets goty, people get off on fucking Fortnite and Rainbow 6 as well as Roblox and Minecraft.
TheCrimsnFuckr
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I mean honestly, I kind of have to agree. Gaming is moving away from just having sold the most boxes and is now becoming more about accessibility. The Xbox is moving towards an eco-system because that's the future of gaming. Why should you have to purchase a $500 box in order to play a small handful of games? Is a large handful of overly cinematic exclusive games going to be enough to convince me to buy a new system? In the midst of a pandemic and economic downturn no less? I honestly appreciate that for the next 10 months or so I will be able to play most if not all of the Xbox exclusives that come out, even if it won't be the best version of those games.
And I mean honestly, is there any reason why Sony is locking those PS5 games to only be on PS5? Are you seriously going to tell me that Demon's Souls, Spider-Man Miles Morales (a literal stand alone expansion), and whatever other launch window titles they have cannot be done on PS4?
Also, is there even a reason to own a PS4 over an Xbox outside of the exclusives? Xbox One X is more powerful so multiplatform games run better. Xbox has the better services (Game Pass vs PSNow, Xbox Live Gold compared to PS+), Xbox has quiet hardware (never once heard the fan on any of my Xbox systems, PS4 and Pro both turned into jet engines after just a few months and are louder than my TVs) and Xbox has the better support for legacy titles (I know all my Xbox games will work at Series X launch, don't know that about my PS4 games on PS5 launch).
And I mean honestly, is there any reason why Sony is locking those PS5 games to only be on PS5? Are you seriously going to tell me that Demon's Souls, Spider-Man Miles Morales (a literal stand alone expansion), and whatever other launch window titles they have cannot be done on PS4?
Also, is there even a reason to own a PS4 over an Xbox outside of the exclusives? Xbox One X is more powerful so multiplatform games run better. Xbox has the better services (Game Pass vs PSNow, Xbox Live Gold compared to PS+), Xbox has quiet hardware (never once heard the fan on any of my Xbox systems, PS4 and Pro both turned into jet engines after just a few months and are louder than my TVs) and Xbox has the better support for legacy titles (I know all my Xbox games will work at Series X launch, don't know that about my PS4 games on PS5 launch).
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anothertech
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if you don't understand how old hardware holds back console development, you are literally walking in the dark.
Please do some research on closed system development.
"Our teams have a pretty good skillset on architecting things so that it is scalable and putting that into the hands of players. We are so tightly connected to the hardware team and the platform team, that I don't ever worry about taking advantage of the high end."
This is the entire problem right here. Entire Dev processes are created differently in a closed system. Not having to worry about scalability and worrying SOLEY about the high end makes a far better product.
DrAspirino
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Okay...do you have ANY knowledge about technology, cloud, software or anything other than videogames?
Because if you do, you would've seen where things are headed within the tech world. You don't have to like them, you don't have to support them, but you have to acknowledge them and prepare acordingly. Otherwise you'll pass as an ignorant ludite.
1) The moment each company decided they would go the x86 route is the moment generations died altogether. The x86 architecture IS "GENERATIONLESS" and ridiculously scalable, allowing devs and enthusiasts experiment with hardware to no end. Strictly speaking, the "9th generation" isn't a generational leap, but an upgrade in specs and processing power. Nothing more, nothing less.
2) From here to 7 years forward, don't expect the "10th generation" (if it ever comes to exist) to be a huge leap, rather "minor" improvement over what we have now, simply because the x86 architecture is reaching its limits and the transistors can't be shrunk any more than what currently TSMC and Samsung have researched, because if they do, they'd have to deal with electrons jumping from one transistor to another due to small size. There's a physics limit we can't breach with silicon and they'd have to change materials.
3) Gaming as we know and love is dead. It started the decline this generation and will end within the 9th one. Instead, a new form of gaming will evolve based on ecosystems. Why? because they're profitable. Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, etc... all have their own ecosystems from which they have a constant stream of revenue and will do everything in their power to keep the user locked to their ecosystem. They don't care about hardware as much (heck, even Google has its Pixel lineup) because they know that's not where the money comes from. Money comes from users and bussinesses that pay monthly fees for their services.
Why has Sony made PS+ mandatory to play online on PS4 and Nintendo charged for their online service? Because they'd be better? No, because it makes them far more money than single game sales can ever make them. They don't care about consoles sold. They care about how much active subscribers they have. A happy subscriber easily pays the price of 2 consoles over the generation lifespan by paying for the subscription and buying games in their own online stores (while taking a 30% cut from it).
Do you know now where Phil gets his acts from? The signs are there, the market has spoken and there's nothing we can do about it... except complain and bitch about it.
Balducci30
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This guy just needs to stop talking. It's like he doesn't want me to buy the new xbox (which I fully plan on buying until he says some dumb shit like this).