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[Ass of Can Whooping]

Well like i said, i included Bloodborne and Spiderman the same as i would Ori if i'm going to make up an Xbox list - though i wouldn't consider any of them first party but maybe i'm wrong there. I think of those types of deals as "second party" because they aren't internally owned studios.

"Outclassing" them is completely subjective, not everyone considers a game you can beat in 8-12 hours and never have the desire to go back and play again as a system seller.

Maybe i am showing my age here? When i was younger we could rent consoles from video stores and a game or two... play them and beat them over the course of a week and then return everything the following weekend and never have the desire to go back and rent that game again even though it was fun.

That is essentially the current Playstation experience from their 1st party studios.

You brought in metacritic as a means to judge the quality of the games as system sellers. Again, all i'm doing is going by your own criteria.

You can get alot more than 12 hours out of Sony's games btw.

 

[psorcerer]

Haha weee i stirred a hornets nest this morning.

No no everyone here is right... Sony 1st party have only had the Dev Kits for 6-12 months and magically whipped up all the games shown in a near release state on PS5 ready to be released come launch in November through Q2 2021. Be realistic people.

The reason a lot of MS games being shown on equivalent PC specs is because their dev kits haven't been in the hands of developers as long as PS5 dev kits have.

PS5 target was 10tf in 2019, XSX target was 12tf in 2020.

You're looking at a bunch of PS4 games that migrated to PS5 and had time for extra bells and whistles polish. And then you have some stuff like HZD2 which are more likely to be purely PS5 based though we have yet to see any real gameplay from it. HZD2 will be the first major pure PS5 release that all other PS5 games will be compared against for quite some time, and that may not even drop for another year or two.

I'm not sure, the fact that Sony was better prepared with thier dev tools is now a bad thing?
Hint: last gen Sony had vastly better dev support and software/dev kits too.

 

[Md Ray]

Need to turn down the settings on the right, a LOT more detail over there.

It's just more compression on the left due to it being a download of a YouTube video. Lower LoD, texture, texture filtering than what's being used on the right results in even worse graphics than PS4 Pro.

 

[saintjules]

2800 pages of insanity

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Here are the average hours for some of Sony's biggest games this gen via HLTB (Main + Extras)

Uncharted 4 - 17 hours
TLOU 2 - 29 hours
God of War - 32 hours
Ghosts of Tsushima - 40 hours
Death Stranding - 60 hours

Just to debunk this nonsense about the the 8 - 12 hour sony experience

 

[LordOfChaos]

Achievement Unlocked: TSMC Has Built 1 Billion Defect-Free 7nm Chips

TSMC is celebrating the production of 1 billion defect-free chips manufactured on its 7-nanometer technology, or put another way, 1 billion functional 7nm chips.

hothardware.com

 

[JonnyMP3]

Achievement Unlocked: TSMC Has Built 1 Billion Defect-Free 7nm Chips

TSMC is celebrating the production of 1 billion defect-free chips manufactured on its 7-nanometer technology, or put another way, 1 billion functional 7nm chips.

hothardware.com

No wonder they get all the business.

 

[HawarMiran]

seems like DC's equivalent to Marvels Avengers

 

[sircaw]

2800 pages of insanity

i see it as Masterpieces, every single post.

 

[AeneaGames]

Spiderman was 3rd party when it was developed and released, Sony only recently acquired them making them a first party studio. Miles Morals will be first party. Spiderman on PS4 was not.

Bloodborne was developed by From Software which is a third party developer, they are not first or even second party.

Ok, sure, have it your way, we don't count those then!

Alrighty, Asobo Studios is a 3rd party dev that developed FS2020 for MS. I know, not quite on-topic, still rather funny.....

 

[JonnyMP3]

Ok, sure, have it your way, we don't count those then!

Alrighty, Asobo Studios is a 3rd party dev that developed FS2020 for MS. I know, not quite on-topic, still rather funny.....

Killer Instincts was developed by Double Helix too!

 

[Wraith Phantom]

Wait a minute. Last time I booted up Bloodborne.Boot screen said From software & then Japan Studio. And it's Sony IP. That's joint work so that first party.

By the way there are 7 Elite studios at Playstation.

Santa Monica
Insomniac
Naughty Dog
Sucker Punch
Digital Polyphony
Japan Studios
Guerilla Games

Updated with RyanEvans21 notification.

Ironically only devs to have made great games on the Cell tech. Great pick ups.

 

[RyanEvans21]

Wait a minute. Last time I booted up Bloodborne.Boot screen said From software & then Japan Studio. And it's Sony IP. That's joint work so that first party.

By the way there are 6 Elite studios at Playstation.

Santa Monica
Insomniac
Naughty Dog
Sucker Punch
Digital Polyphony
Japan Studios

Ironically only devs to have make great games on Cell. Great pick ups.

You forgot Guerilla

 

[sircaw]

Here are the average hours for some of Sony's biggest games this gen via HLTB (Main + Extras)

Uncharted 4 - 17 hours
TLOU 2 - 29 hours
God of War - 32 hours
Ghosts of Tsushima - 40 hours
Death Stranding - 60 hours

Just to debunk this nonsense about the the 8 - 12 hour sony experience

I think i platinumed god of war in 60 hours.

What a god damn masterpiece.

the last queen valkyrie fight was amazing.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

You forgot Guerilla

Facts!!! They got 7. Got damn savages. absolute savages.

I'll edit

 

[JonnyMP3]

Wait a minute. Last time I booted up Bloodborne.Boot screen said From software & then Japan Studio. And it's Sony IP. That's joint work so that first party.

By the way there are 6 Elite studios at Playstation.

Santa Monica
Insomniac
Naughty Dog
Sucker Punch
Digital Polyphony
Japan Studios

Ironically only devs to have made great games on the Cell tech. Great pick ups.

You forgot Guerilla

Media Molecule am cry.

Dreams is a goddamn technical marvel. Fight me!

 

[MrS]

You forgot Guerilla

He didn't. They've still got a lot of work to do to be on the level of the others.

 

[AeneaGames]

Anyways... No, I don't own an Xbox. But I have friends that do and even then they can't recommend anything decent.

To be fair, I do rather like Forza Horizon 3 & 4....

And nope, don't own an Xbox, do have a gaming pc again since last year and could not let that GamePass thing go so yeah I do try some of exclusives I missed. Still want to try the Gears games, the Halo Wars ones (love me some strategy games!) and also want to try Sunset Overdrive since it's made by a developer I like after all

I also have gotten quite the collection in the past year of PC games thru Epic, Steam & Humble Bundle, to be totally honest I still am not a fan of pc gaming. You have no idea how many issues I've had to get a controller to be properly detected when I turn it on (finally works, but it's crazy I had to buy an Xbox controller and their Xbox wireless adapter to get it to work since with Bluetooth every single controller, Xbox one included, would not re-connect after it turned off, had to remove it and then pair again, sometimes that didn't work and had to turn off bluetooth or even reboot), spending 20 minutes every time to simply be able to get a controller working is not something I like.

Plus I've had other weird stuff happen that, even tho they can be solved in like 10 to 20 minutes, still annoy the sircaw, ehh, carp, out of me because I just wanted to play for half an hour to an hour....

 

[Vae_Victis]

Wait a minute. Last time I booted up Bloodborne.Boot screen said From software & then Japan Studio. And it's Sony IP. That's joint work so that first party.

It's arguably a lot more second party than first party. From Software did the vast majority of the work, and they were responsible for all the design aspects. Japan Studio acted just as support (probably mostly technical support for the platform), so they weren't really "the developers".

First party: a development team owned by a platform holder develops a game exclusively for that platform.
Second party: an independent development team is hired by a platform holder to develop a game exclusively for their platform.

Who owns the original IP the game is connected to is irrelevant in all of this. Sony doesn't own the Spider-Man IP, yet Insomniac's Spider-Man's game is still a first party game for Sony. But yes, Sony does own the Bloodborne IP.

 

[zubairali2]

i cant wait to see how this thread will look in the next few weeks

should be interesting lol

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

My favourite game on Xbox One is Ryse lol

 

[JonnyMP3]

To be fair, I do rather like Forza Horizon 3 & 4....

And nope, don't own an Xbox, do have a gaming pc again since last year and could not let that GamePass thing go so yeah I do try some of exclusives I missed. Still want to try the Gears games, the Halo Wars ones (love me some strategy games!) and also want to try Sunset Overdrive since it's made by a developer I like after all

I also have gotten quite the collection in the past year of PC games thru Epic, Steam & Humble Bundle, to be totally honest I still am not a fan of pc gaming. You have no idea how many issues I've had to get a controller to be properly detected when I turn it on (finally works, but it's crazy I had to buy an Xbox controller and their Xbox wireless adapter to get it to work since with Bluetooth every single controller, Xbox one included, would not re-connect after it turned off, had to remove it and then pair again, sometimes that didn't work and had to turn off bluetooth or even reboot), spending 20 minutes every time to simply be able to get a controller working is not something I like.

Plus I've had other weird stuff happen that, even tho they can be solved in like 10 to 20 minutes, still annoy the sircaw, ehh, carp, out of me because I just wanted to play for half an hour to an hour....

Tbf Forza Horizon 4 is probably the only game we play when I'm over at my friends. Eliminator mode wasted away a good few chunks of hours as a different kind of battle royale.

 

[Metroiddarks]

The last pages:

Xbox has good exclusives, but are full of secuels at many of those titles never reach a GOTY situation or even in quantity were less, is true
not always you need a game in the level as Forza Horizon 4 but that doesn't mean you can release the last Battletoads and feel proud of it,
combine with the situation where this year PC has the 2 of 3 better exclusives (Flight,Gears Tactics) as we still without release date in Xbox
one yes (I can feel how much Xbox improve this last years with Phil).

Playstation takes time to release very good exclusives but as soon this happens the difference against xbox become so clear than one the
reason of why we think XSX can have a better generation is because they bought studios and promises they will now have much more and
better exclusives.

As we now considered as exclusive something which exists only in that console also that works in favor of Sony and Nintendo as they easily
now have more exclusives and with better reception from the people and critic.

Xbox was not terrible in first party this current gen but say is not so far from the others two is live in a world of fantasy where you really think
Xbox doesn't care how much consoles they sell even when they invest a huge quantity of money in 2 consoles (XSX,XSS) in order to be able
to charge more service to its users.

The other big problems with Xbox regarding its first party is they only have now Ori has new IP with success between people and critic, they
are not Nintendo which can live from its incredibly famous IPs only making sequels and creating one or two IP per gen.

The Xbox one X doesn't increment the sales for Xbox nether gamepass, Phil has around 6 years as head of Xbox and just looks the first party
we have confirmed to play XSX in its first year, another sequel of Halo which was delayed with rumors of bad planification/management of
343... I mean really.

Most people buy a console for play a specific game while buy maybe 1 or 2 third party games like CoD, FIFA, NFL, AC of the current year neither
of this part of gamepass.

They don't do it as a political statement also they give a shit the excuses or reasons of any of three if the console doesn't has a game which is
enough attractive or any of its friends or family have that device they will not buy it.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

Its arguably a lot more second party than first party. From Software did the vast majority of the work, and they were responsible for all the design aspects. Japan Studio acted just as support (probably mostly technical support for the platform), so they weren't really "the developers".

First party: a development team owned by a platform holder develops a game exclusively for that platform.
Second party: an independent development team is hired by a platform holder to develop a game exclusively for their platform.

Who owns the original IP the game is connected to is irrelevant in all of this. Sony doesn't own the Spider-Man IP, yet Insomniac's Spider-Man's game is still a first party game for Sony. But yes, Sony does own the Bloodborne IP.

Lol imagine not giving credit.If they didnt "develop" on the game. They wouldn't of got a boot up recognition. Clearly put a lot of work in.

 

[LordOfChaos]

I think i platinumed god of war in 60 hours.

What a god damn masterpiece.

the last queen valkyrie fight was amazing.

Talk about a vertical difficulty ramp with Sigrun. Only boss where I had to put the game down and come back another day, for me nothing even in a "hard" game like Bloodborne was that hard, partly because of those stupid unstaggerable attacks where you'd be in the middle of a special move and she'd grab your face anyways.

 

[Neo Blaster]

So basically next week, all fingers crossed, we should hopefully be getting news.

And i mean BIG NEWS from Sony.

WHERE IS OUR TRAIN.

TGO , wake up that lazy machinist, looks like there's work to do next week.

 

[Daniel_Mallorca1985]

 

[Metroiddarks]

Bloodborne from Bluepoint which is working in Demon Souls, Resistance from Insomaniac while work in two other games. I don't think so.

 

[luca_29_bg]

I think a lot of people interested in graphics misunderstand how much progress is being made in the background in terms of the mathematics we use to simulate reality and how much efficiency that can be gained not only from hardware but also from the increased efficiency in the formulas as such.

This is one of my favourite videos on this theme discussing the math behind water simulations (and then Two Minute papers is awesome as such!). And for RT I can only imagine how much progress is being made on the math side of things to decrease the number of computations needed for any given simulation (such as what Localray is doing):

So we'll see simulation of the water of this type in ps5 games ? Or something similar ?

 

[Nickolaidas]

Bloodborne by Bluepoint and Resistance by Insomniac? My clown sense is tingling ...

 

[chonga]

Well you can chalk that up as fake then, there is no vertical stand.

The stand, which is required for either orientation, works both horizontally and vertically, and as it is required will be in the box. Not some $30 accessory.

 

[Metroiddarks]

So we'll see simulation of the water of this type in ps5 games ? Or something similar ?

The physics, world simulation in general and AI will improve for the CPU and RT (yes works for more than graphics).

 

[JonnyMP3]

I had to use my reddit app to make sense of it all and this top comment says it all really.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Starfield is coming out 2021?

 

[sircaw]

Talk about a vertical difficulty ramp with Sigrun. Only boss where I had to put the game down and come back another day, for me nothing even in a "hard" game like Bloodborne was that hard, partly because of those stupid unstaggerable attacks where you'd be in the middle of a special move and she'd grab your face anyways.

I hear ya, i had to time my spartan rage on occasions to stop getting one shot lol.

 

[bhunachicken]

Will Netflix work..?

 

[Moridianae]

*farts*

Welp, my ass just told me the tale guys.

It launches in 3 weeks for $399 and has God of War, SOCOM, FFXVI, Ratchet, Spidey, Demon's Souls and GT7 all at launch.

Full BC, free online play and its Alexa compatible to power your home and all electronics within. Don't forget--they also spec bumped to 14.1 TFs last minute.

Trust the scent guys. It's all legit.

 

[hemo memo]

i cant wait to see how this thread will look in the next few months

should be interesting lol

Ftfy

 

[Vae_Victis]

Lol imagine not giving credit.If they didnt "develop" on the game. They wouldn't of got a boot up recognition. Clearly put a lot of work in.

This is Bloodborne's credit roll:



At about 2:55 there is a category labelled "Sony Computer Entertainment", where I assume people from Japan Studio are included. It's a bunch of producers, support staff, various technical help (like movie production and orchestra recording), marketing and lawyers stuff, and a shitton of QA.

So yeah, they did stuff of course. They did not really "develop" the game though as you would usually take the term to mean.

BTW there are like 50 different companies named in that credit roll, including important stuff like map designers and 3D artists. Did they all also develop Bloodborne in your conception, or would you call them what they were, support staff?

 

[FeiRR]

A disc to activate the system, yeah right.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

It seems to be on a PlayStation console judging by the circle icon.

 

[Moridianae]

It seems to be on a PlayStation console judging by the circle icon.

Why do I feel another tweet by Sony saying Red Hood or Batman himself is PS exclusive, sending everyone into another frenzy.

 

[luca_29_bg]

The physics, world simulation in general and AI will improve for the CPU and RT (yes works for more than graphics).

I know this, but i want to see real fluid dynamics for water, and playing with that! No more waves on the surface shader based (cough# tlou2#) The water in ue5 was real fluid dynamic, right ?

 

[sircaw]

It seems to be on a PlayStation console judging by the circle icon.

Happy to play it but humm, no batman, he better not be some paid for dlc shit.

Other than that, looks good to me.

 

[Snowdonhoffen]

Why do I feel another tweet by Sony saying Red Hood or Batman himself is PS exclusive, sending everyone into another frenzy.

Batgirl, Robin, Red Hood and Nightwing are the main characters so at least Red Hood would be part of every version of the game. As for Batman who knows, but I think he will be a playable character at some point in the game. But if Sony money hatted some exclusive content I'd say Batwoman could be an option.

 

[B_Boss]

I think a lot of people interested in graphics misunderstand how much progress is being made in the background in terms of the mathematics we use to simulate reality and how much efficiency that can be gained not only from hardware but also from the increased efficiency in the formulas as such.

This is one of my favourite videos on this theme discussing the math behind water simulations (and then Two Minute papers is awesome as such!). And for RT I can only imagine how much progress is being made on the math side of things to decrease the number of computations needed for any given simulation (such as what Localray is doing):

Gah...(incredible video!) but wasn't there some dev. who was developing a game for Series X and who also posted a water simulation video and also had said or implied that the Series X was better hardware for their game? He may not have implied that and I'm trying to remember so my memory may have failed me.

I cannot remember and do not believe in initiating warrior tales and mentality but for the sake of the tech. science, I couldn't remember this person .

 

[Moridianae]

Batgirl, Robin, Red Hood and Nightwing are the main characters so at least Red Hood would be part of every version of the game. As for Batman who knows, but I think he will be a playable character at some point in the game. But if Sony money hatted some exclusive content I'd say Batwoman could be an option.

Yeah, would definitely stir it up. I say it's Terry McGinnis via time travel in the storyline >.>

 

[JonnyMP3]

Yeah, would definitely stir it up. I say it's Terry McGinnis via time travel in the storyline >.>

I had the same idea

 

[TheFarter]

*farts*

Yes.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

*farts*

Welp, my ass just told me the tale guys.

It launches in 3 weeks for $399 and has God of War, SOCOM, FFXVI, Ratchet, Spidey, Demon's Souls and GT7 all at launch.

Full BC, free online play and its Alexa compatible to power your home and all electronics within. Don't forget--they also spec bumped to 14.1 TFs last minute.

Trust the scent guys. It's all legit.

pfft. I'll wait for the price drop and bundle that includes sircaw for the full effect scent.