IGN Xbox executive editor :I was wrong . Past hardware DOES holds back next hardware

How can person with zero knowledge about games/developing them/hardware be some executive dude at big gaming site?

Anybody whom understands even basics, should be able to understand it in few seconds (that last gen holds stuff back)

Andwer: must be biased bastard or incompetent
 
godhandiscen said:
Yeah, the guy got fooled by the wannabe politician that is Spencer.
Spencer still has a legion of fanboys fighting the wars for him though, and those won't own up to how stupid it is to wish for the XSX to waste its initial years playing up scaled last gen games.
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+1

Atleast mattrick was blunt and straight to the point. Spencer has been fooling the entire Xbox fan base for a whole generation.
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My thoughts remain the same: The crossgen strategy makes a ton of sense if implemented on a game by game basis. There are some games that can absolutely scale but there are others that would no doubt be held back by the 7+ year old hardware (especially that CPU). It is not a one size fits all approach. Studios should evaluate if it is the right strategy for their game.

This "two years of cross-gen first party titles" narrative is just a wreck when you consider these points:

1. The quote was from November 2019 and Booty specifically said that MSFT would be making content that "played up and down" all of their consoles +PC over the next 2 years. I think reasonable people interpreted this to mean from that point on Microsoft still saw they had at least 2 years or so of "support" for their old console not necessarily that every game would be on every device. News outlets ran the whole "2 years no next gen stories".

2. Microsoft did absolutely nothing to try and clarify. They let the news run the story over and over and over. Poor PR on their part.

3. Not only did Microsoft let the news run the story but Microsoft kept talking about cross-gen which is frankly bizarre when you consider that they have only announced 4 games releasing after Series X launch that fit that criterion: Halo, Flight Sim, Gears Tactics, and Psychonauts. Tactics and Pyschonauts can 100% be scaled, Halo has more problems than just hardware right now, Flight Sim scales on PC (Its going to be rough but doable). Everything else, Forza, Fable, Avowed, etc, is Series X + PC only. That was a ton of talk for what amounts to only a small handful of games. Frankly, with Tactics being out on PC already, Flight Sim being so niche, and Psychonauts being a PS4/Xbox One title to begin with, the only game that matters for the average person is Halo...that was a ton of talk for one game. I get that they wanted to talk about current gen stuff like Ori, Grounded, Gears 5 scaling up for new hardware but thats a totally different thing.


TL;DR: Works on a case by case basis. 2 year no first party next gen was never accurate but Microsot allowed it to be repeated. Microsoft talked a ton about cross-gen and Halo is really the only true cross-gen title. Weird they spent so much time talking about it for one game.
 
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JonnyMP3 said:
IGN lost creditability years ago and they're mostly just a PR machine these days...
But it's sad when these once big massive gaming publications just lose their identity.
IGN, Gamespot, Kotaku, Polygon etc... Once trusted information sources, with good ties to developers... Are now just clickbait, sensationalist crap.
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PR for what?
 
Maybe Phil let him in on Infinite dropping Xbox One support and this is the first part of setting a new agenda around generations from the Xbox camp??

[Renoves tinfoil hat]

Or it's just one person's opinion on twitter
 
danielJackson said:
How can person with zero knowledge about games/developing them/hardware be some executive dude at big gaming site?

Anybody whom understands even basics, should be able to understand it in few seconds (that last gen holds stuff back)

Andwer: must be biased bastard or incompetent
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Because being an executive editor means you simply oversee the editorials, you are effectively the babysitter of other writers and decide what does and doesnt make it to print.........he does that for Xbox articles.

It can actually detrimental in many cases for someone who has deep knowledge of a craft to review others work in the same craft.




How can person with zero knowledge about being an executive editor be critical of an executive editor on a big gaming site?

Anybody whom understands even basics, should be able to understand it in few seconds (writing about games and knowing about making games dont necessarily go hand in hand)

Andwer: must be biased bastard or incompetent
 
Nikana said:
If you are making the same exact game then duh. If you make two different version of a game that leverages each piece of hardware correctly then you are in business. Microsoft has done this before, they know how to do it. I am not sure why they didn't do that for Halo.
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That's not economically as efficient, and requires a lot more works such as splitting the teams, coordination, budget allocation, etc.
 
The bigger question is why it takes so long time for large parts of this industry to call out PS for his BS. This is a right/wrong type of question and PS straight out lied about it because it suited his business objectives.
 
odhiex said:
That's not economically as efficient, and requires a lot more works such as splitting the teams, coordination, budget allocation, etc.
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Nobody said it doesn't require more work and money. It's all about ROI. They have done it before.
 
I'm reminded of Ben Kuchera's pro-DRM article when Xbox One and its policies were exploding into a shit fight after its reveal.

The PlayStation 4 could be over before it begins if Sony loses the support of the mega-publishers, and right now those publishers have Sony over a barrel. Whatever Microsoft is doing with used games, expect at least an analogous solution from Sony.
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The second thing we have to remember is that a hashtag and a few blog posts isn't a backlash. No one at Microsoft or Sony cares about what you post on the forums of your favorite gaming website.
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These folk tend to parrot whatever they're told to parrot by the corporate overlords of choice. If IGN are peddling an "opinion", its because they're laying the track for Microsoft's PR train. "They had the GUTS to delay Halo Infinite!". At this point, I'm expecting Halo Infinite is getting delayed into 2022 to become a Series X, next-gen exclusive. And it when launches, 343i's current heads are stepping down (read: fired, but allowed to resign to save face).
 
MHubert said:
Shadow of Mordor is a clear cut example of a game that had to sacrifice certain gameplay mechanics (the nemesis system) to be able to run on last gen hardware. Not everything is 'scalable'.
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I don't know that Shadow of Mordor is a "clear cut" example, as I'm not sure what had to be sacrificed in order to get it on last-gen hardware?

The Nemesis System is cool and complex as an amazing spreadsheet tapestry of possibilities and interactions, but I feel much of it could have been done (or certainly done better) on last-gen hardware (though Monolith says otherwise,..) they just didn't budget and scope it out for that. They farmed past-gen out to an external developer (a developer that regularly churned out remake-ports instead of carefully converted port-downs, including Mercenaries 2 PS2 and Dante's Inferno PSP,) they had a game built on an in-house engine (Monolith has licensed out its LithTech engine, and of course LithTech does run on the last-gen hardware of the time, but I believe SoM was ported using Behaviour's own engine at the time?), and they just didn't prioritize the past-gen versions as important SKUs compared to the one Monolith worked on itself.

Things are a little different now. A game being made in Unreal Engine 4 or current Unity can be used to build multiple versions of the same product, and even tested to see how a build and test scenarios would generate on different hardware. (I would assume Slipspace Engine had both Xbox One and Xbox Series X testing systems.) And if you have one of the popular development suites, you can work with people across the globe and share assets and code without forking the project to death every time somebody in a different timezone makes a change. A developer couldn't faithfully port Shadow of Mordor if it truly was impossible, but you wouldn't just be handing off your assets and design docs to a studio off in another country and saying, "Good luck!"

You are right, at some point you scale beyond the range of the console gap, and then not everything is 'scalable'. But most PC gamers (I'm a console guy, so I'm just going by min/max specs) would say there's surprisingly a lot that can be done within that range before the gap is impossible to jump. And that's just for pure runable code on flexible machines; get an expert porting studio to carefully target a set console spec and it's possible to work wonders... just not miracles.
 
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ZehDon said:
I'm reminded of Ben Kuchera's pro-DRM article when Xbox One and its policies were exploding into a shit fight after its reveal.




These folk tend to parrot whatever they're told to parrot by the corporate overlords of choice. If IGN are peddling an "opinion", its because they're laying the track for Microsoft's PR train. "They had the GUTS to delay Halo Infinite!". At this point, I'm expecting Halo Infinite is getting delayed into 2022 to become a Series X, next-gen exclusive. And it when launches, 343i's current heads are stepping down (read: fired, but allowed to resign to save face).
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That was such a crazy, time

So many people where just saying whatever they where told by Mattrick

Luckily the push back was impossible to ignore
 
Mister Wolf said:
We all make mistakes. Having high character will allow you to admit them.
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Yep, respect to anyone owning up to mistakes or silly statements. I was in a similar camp myself. There's a threshold where the cross gen makes sense, Halo being one of the flagship PC/XSX titles ain't it. Drop XBone support. Use GP Ultimate with xCloud to give an another avenue for support besides the Series S/X.
 
Amazing how many people fall for the PR and marketing.

If Microsoft really believed that you can make a game for a Ryzen and 12TF work on a Jaguar and 1.4TF without any compromises, they would be making the new Forza, fable, etc for the Xbox one as well. They're not.Literally the only game of theirs still releasing on the Xbox one is a game that is made for the Xbox one and then getting a patch for the series x.

I seem to have given people on here too much credit in being able to see through PR.
 
People are really giving him shit for this? Admitting you're wrong is something we should all be brave enough to do when warranted.
 
MrFunSocks said:
Amazing how many people fall for the PR and marketing.

If Microsoft really believed that you can make a game for a Ryzen and 12TF work on a Jaguar and 1.4TF without any compromises, they would be making the new Forza, fable, etc for the Xbox one as well. They're not.Literally the only game of theirs still releasing on the Xbox one is a game that is made for the Xbox one and then getting a patch for the series x.

I seem to have given people on here too much credit in being able to see through PR.
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Ofcourse . They just thought its a clever marketing to say it and attack sony since sony has done their studios management properly unlike them and have next gen exclusives . Which in the end blew up in their face.

their next gen marketing has been some of the worst i have seen . Hopefully they can turn the ship around and give sony some competition as competition is excellent for industry .
 
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Agnostic2020 said:
Ofcourse . They just thought its a clever marketing to say it and attack sony since sony has done their studios management properly unlike them and have next gen exclusives . Which in the end blew up in their face.

their next gen marketing has been some of the worst i have seen . Hopefully they can turn the ship around and give sony some competition as competition is excellent for industry .
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To be fair, Sony doesn't have any first party exclusives coming up either apart from horizon, and we don't know when that's coming. Almost every studio they own has released a game in the last 12-18 months.

I don't disagree that MS have bungled theirs though. I was expecting Fable to be releasing early next year, but the fact they showed a 30 second CGI trailer makes that unlikely. I was expecting Forza at launch but also seems years away. Halo legit appears to be the only first party game in the next 2 years, which is gross incompetence by leadership.
 
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MrFunSocks said:
To be fair, song doesn't have any first party exclusives coming up either apart from horizon, and we don't know when that's coming. Almost every studio they own has released a game in the last 12-18 months.

I don't disagree that MS have bungled theirs though. I was expecting Fable to be releasing early next year, but the fact they showed a 30 second CGI trailer makes that unlikely. I was expecting Forza at launch but also seems years away.
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Let's see by end of 2021 sony will put out on PS5:

Spider-Man MM
Demon souls
Horizon 2 FW
sackboy
GT7
Astrobot
destruction all star
Ratchet and clank RA


so your first statement is not correct
 
MrFunSocks said:
To be fair, Sony doesn't have any first party exclusives coming up either apart from horizon, and we don't know when that's coming. Almost every studio they own has released a game in the last 12-18 months.

I don't disagree that MS have bungled theirs though. I was expecting Fable to be releasing early next year, but the fact they showed a 30 second CGI trailer makes that unlikely. I was expecting Forza at launch but also seems years away. Halo legit appears to be the only first party game in the next 2 years, which is gross incompetence by leadership.
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Guess you never watched the PS5 console reveal. Sony has already shown several first party games coming 2020/2021. R&C, Spiderman and Horizon all look great.
 
Kdad said:
Imagine having that position of employment and not understanding that...like how do these people dress themselves in the morning or wipe their own asses?
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It's not all of their faults though, they fell for the PR from MS
 
Agnostic2020 said:
Let's see by end of 2021 sony will put out on PS5:

Spider-Man MM
Demon souls
Horizon 2 FW
sackboy
GT7
Astrobot
destruction all star
Ratchet and clank RA


so your first statement is not correct
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come on, now who's drinking the cool aid :messenger_beermugs:

Don't want another deathloop suicide watch on our hands, get ready for delays (if you can call it that since most have no dates anayways).
 
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Elog said:
The bigger question is why it takes so long time for large parts of this industry to call out PS for his BS. This is a right/wrong type of question and PS straight out lied about it because it suited his business objectives.
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BS is literally his job
 
DarkMage619 said:
I would not suggest a new project begin with the previous generation in mind. Anything that was in the works for the last few years should be released. THEN you can move on to the new hardware. TLOU 2 and GOT would have looked even better on PS5 exclusively but it would have been a major waste for all the time that was already spent on those titles. Show me NEW development on the old consoles and I'll show you something being held back.
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They probably initially planned for TLOU2 and Ghost to release in 2019, but they took longer to develop. If instead they were planned from the start to be 2020 titles they would have been made for PS5.
 
Warnen said:
come on, now who's drinking the cool aid :messenger_beermugs:

Don't want another deathloop suicide watch on our hands, get ready for delays (if you can call it that since most have no dates anayways).
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Death loop is still also launch year though. But thats not relevant here .
 
Warnen said:
come on, now who's drinking the cool aid :messenger_beermugs:

Don't want another deathloop suicide watch on our hands, get ready for delays (if you can call it that since most have no dates anayways).
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These are slated for 2020-2021. Whether this catastrophic Corona situation will put a dent in these plans and have a title slip away to 2022 is another debate altogether. But guess what? Those Avowed, State of Decay 3, FABLE...will not release before 2022 at the earliest. Apply your same logic to MS and you might have a quasi barren land over there until 2023. By 2022-2023, the fate of the two constructors will have been more or less decided...
 
El Pistolero said:
These are slated for 2020-2021. Whether this catastrophic Corona situation will put a dent in these plans and have a title slip away to 2022 is another debate altogether. But guess what? Those Avowed, State of Decay 3, FABLE...will not release before 2022 at the earliest. Apply your same logic to MS and you might have a quasi barren land over there until 2023. By 2022-2023, the fate of the two constructors will have been more or less decided...
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MS and me? I'm not getting an Xbox I have a PC. I'm sure I'll be swimming in games this year don't worry.
 
Man, the precipitous fall from being bullish about your console's power to trying to equivocate about what "power" really means.. it's just delicious.
 
Agnostic2020 said:
Let's see by end of 2021 sony will put out on PS5:

Spider-Man MM
Demon souls
Horizon 2 FW
sackboy
GT7
Astrobot
destruction all star
Ratchet and clank RA


so your first statement is not correct
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Spider man is an expansion pack to a PS4 game.
Demon's souls is a remaster of a 2 generation old game and not first party, made by bluepoint
Horizon 2 I already mentioned....
GT7 - i wouldn't be betting on that lol. Have you ever heard of Polyphony Digital? We haven't seen anything in game, and they are the slowest developers in the world.
Astrobot is a pre-loaded pack in.....
Sackboy probably, ill give you that.
Destruction allstars isn't first party.
Ratchet and Clank I missed, my mistake.

So yes, I'd say my statement is pretty correct.
 
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